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| Started by | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| First post | 2011-11-11 18:05 +0000 |
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RamDisc0 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-11 18:05 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> - 2011-11-12 11:19 +1300
Re: RamDisc0 Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 23:04 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-11 23:17 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-12 08:14 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Sprow <news@sprow.co.uk> - 2011-11-12 00:55 -0800
Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-12 18:35 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-13 19:09 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 20:05 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-11-13 22:07 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 22:33 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 22:56 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-14 05:55 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-14 01:52 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-14 06:00 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-14 10:14 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-14 17:31 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-14 18:53 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 John Tytgat <this@is.invalid> - 2011-11-14 21:34 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-11-14 22:01 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-14 21:12 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:14 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:57 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Mister Ron <mrronman@googlemail.com> - 2011-11-14 14:14 -0800
Re: RamDisc0 Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-11-14 22:42 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 12:40 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-15 20:44 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 22:40 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:11 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-15 20:39 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 20:17 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 22:13 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 21:47 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:17 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 (now OT) Dr Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:14 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 (now OT) Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:56 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 (now OT) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-16 05:38 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 (now OT) Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-16 08:37 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 (now OT) Dr Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-11-16 08:14 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:49 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 22:24 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 23:38 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-11-16 13:29 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-15 19:26 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-11-15 19:55 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-16 05:49 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-16 22:39 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-19 09:52 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-22 09:50 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2011-11-22 16:02 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-26 16:10 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-28 11:40 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-29 07:40 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-13 20:36 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-16 22:47 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 18:05 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-17 20:19 +0200
Re: RamDisc0 M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-11-17 21:03 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2011-11-18 09:59 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2011-11-18 14:19 +0200
Re: RamDisc0 Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-11-17 19:12 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-18 07:51 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-11-18 10:06 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-22 13:39 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-11-22 13:24 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-11-24 15:28 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-11-24 15:48 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) News poster <workstuff@mail.com> - 2011-11-28 11:40 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-08 11:09 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2011-12-08 10:15 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-08 12:02 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-10 13:15 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-12 10:29 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-12 11:18 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-12 12:12 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-12-12 22:53 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-13 12:58 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-12-13 16:05 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-13 17:35 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2011-12-13 18:57 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-13 19:15 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 08:09 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 07:53 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2011-12-14 23:30 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-15 07:24 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) "Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> - 2011-12-16 00:05 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-16 09:27 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-14 08:06 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) nervus <nervus@spam.nl> - 2011-12-12 19:53 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-12-12 20:45 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-12 23:08 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) nervus <nervus@spam.de> - 2011-12-14 11:54 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-13 06:25 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) nervus <nervus@spam.de> - 2011-12-14 11:46 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-12 22:48 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2011-12-13 01:46 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-13 14:07 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-14 18:46 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-15 11:28 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-15 15:57 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-12 11:16 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-12 22:56 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-12-08 11:32 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-12-08 11:03 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-08 12:04 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2011-11-25 11:41 +0000
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) News poster <workstuff@mail.com> - 2011-11-28 11:40 +0100
Re: Language (was RamDisc0) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-26 16:12 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2011-11-17 19:17 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2011-11-20 12:45 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-20 13:53 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-18 21:12 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-20 17:43 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-20 19:41 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2011-11-20 21:17 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-11-20 23:39 +0100
Re: RamDisc0 M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2011-11-21 10:28 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-21 10:57 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2011-11-25 10:36 -0800
Re: RamDisc0 Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2011-11-14 11:02 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Rik Griffin <nospam@denbridgemarine.com> - 2011-11-14 14:50 +0000
Re: RamDisc0 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-11-19 10:33 +0000
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| From | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-11 18:05 +0000 |
| Subject | RamDisc0 |
| Message-ID | <52309475b9tim@invalid.org.uk> |
RISC OS 5.16 and the RAM disc.
RAMFSFiler 0.38
RAMFS 2.21
Here's a funny thing, and I don't know whether this is a known issue or
something which has just started happening here. I was trying to
demonstrate adjust+dragging to a windoze-using friend. Embarrassing!
As we know, filer objects can be dragged to the RAM icon on the iconbar
and then the RAM disc filer window opens (if it isn't already) with the
dragged item in it. Fine so far, until I try to adjust+drag something to
RAM's icon. It doesn't work. Sometimes nothing happens and sometimes I
have had various errors show here, such as "File ',.IMG/jpg' not found"
depending on the source media. Even ofla ofla a couple of times
(#nostalgia).
Anyone know WTFIGO? Surely the RAM iconbar icon should accept an Adjust
drag?
--
Tim Hill
..............................................................
www.timil.com
... "The purest treasure mortal times afford, is spotless reputation" Richard II, Act i, Sc.i
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| From | Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2011-11-12 11:19 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <a2b2ab3052.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz> |
| In reply to | #2449 |
In message <52309475b9tim@invalid.org.uk>
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>
> RISC OS 5.16 and the RAM disc.
> RAMFSFiler 0.38
> RAMFS 2.21
>
> Here's a funny thing, and I don't know whether this is a known issue or
> something which has just started happening here. I was trying to
> demonstrate adjust+dragging to a windoze-using friend. Embarrassing!
>
> As we know, filer objects can be dragged to the RAM icon on the iconbar
> and then the RAM disc filer window opens (if it isn't already) with the
> dragged item in it. Fine so far, until I try to adjust+drag something to
> RAM's icon. It doesn't work. Sometimes nothing happens and sometimes I
> have had various errors show here, such as "File ',.IMG/jpg' not found"
> depending on the source media. Even ofla ofla a couple of times
> (#nostalgia).
>
> Anyone know WTFIGO? Surely the RAM iconbar icon should accept an Adjust
> drag?
>
Same result here, Memphis will do it though.
I think older RISC OS never supported dragging to RAM at all.
Ron M. 5.16 Iyonix
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| From | Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-11 23:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5230afc99calan_calder@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #2455 |
In article <a2b2ab3052.beeb@ron1954.woosh.co.nz>, Ron <beeb@woosh.co.nz> wrote: > In message <52309475b9tim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> > wrote: > > > > RISC OS 5.16 and the RAM disc. RAMFSFiler 0.38 RAMFS 2.21 > > [Snip] > > As we know, filer objects can be dragged to the RAM icon on the > > iconbar and then the RAM disc filer window opens (if it isn't already) > > with the dragged item in it. Fine so far, until I try to adjust+drag > > something to RAM's icon. It doesn't work. Sometimes nothing happens > > and sometimes I have had various errors show here, such as "File > > ',.IMG/jpg' not found" depending on the source media. Even ofla ofla a > > couple of times (#nostalgia). > > > > Anyone know WTFIGO? Surely the RAM iconbar icon should accept an > > Adjust drag? > > > Same result here, Memphis will do it though. I think older RISC OS never > supported dragging to RAM at all. Ron M. 5.16 Iyonix Well it works just fine here on this RPC with RO 4.39. Maybe it's the newer versions of RO that can't do it? :-) Cheers Alan -- Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.
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| From | Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-11 23:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5230b10325ajg@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #2456 |
In article <5230afc99calan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote: > > > Anyone know WTFIGO? Surely the RAM iconbar icon should accept an > > > Adjust drag? > > > > > Same result here, Memphis will do it though. I think older RISC OS > > never supported dragging to RAM at all. Ron M. 5.16 Iyonix > Well it works just fine here on this RPC with RO 4.39. Maybe it's the > newer versions of RO that can't do it? :-) Works fine on RPC with RO 4.02 Alan Griffin
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| From | Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-11-12 08:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5230dcaa70zuiderduin@hotmail.com> |
| In reply to | #2449 |
In article <52309475b9tim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote: > RISC OS 5.16 and the RAM disc. > RAMFSFiler 0.38 > RAMFS 2.21 Same setup here. Same result. > Anyone know WTFIGO? Surely the RAM iconbar icon should accept an Adjust > drag? On this machine it's not just the RAM FS Filer's icon either. I tried adjust-dragging to the harddisc icon and the machine froze completely, even the mouse pointer. A second try took out the Filer with an abort on data transfer. As I forgot to write down the location, I tried again, but this time I just got an error like the one you described. Regards, Frank
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| From | Sprow <news@sprow.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-12 00:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <94e77901-7843-408e-8393-8dfc3c8f1d5d@e15g2000vba.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2459 |
On Nov 12, 7:14 am, Frank de Bruijn <zuiderd...@hotmail.com> wrote: > In article <52309475b9...@invalid.org.uk>, > Tim Hill <t...@invalid.org.uk> wrote: > > > RISC OS 5.16 and the RAM disc. > > RAMFSFiler 0.38 > > RAMFS 2.21 > > On this machine it's not just the RAM FS Filer's icon either. Yes - it's a bug in the filer introduced some time after version 1.97 which came with RISC OS 4.02, Sprow.
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| From | Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-12 18:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <52311afdc9dave@triffid.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #2459 |
In article <5230dcaa70zuiderduin@hotmail.com>, Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> wrote: > In article <52309475b9tim@invalid.org.uk>, > Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote: > > RISC OS 5.16 and the RAM disc. > > RAMFSFiler 0.38 > > RAMFS 2.21 > Same setup here. Same result. > > Anyone know WTFIGO? Surely the RAM iconbar icon should accept an Adjust > > drag? > On this machine it's not just the RAM FS Filer's icon either. I tried > adjust-dragging to the harddisc icon and the machine froze completely, > even the mouse pointer. A second try took out the Filer with an abort on > data transfer. As I forgot to write down the location, I tried again, > but this time I just got an error like the one you described. > Regards, > Frank You chaps really should get yourselves an up-to-date (ish) RISC OS version. Doesn't happen here, either case, with 4.39 or 6.20 ;-) D. -- Dave Triffid
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| From | workstuff@mail.com |
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| Date | 2011-11-13 19:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d17b9c3152.news@mistymornings.net> |
| In reply to | #2466 |
In message <52311afdc9dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>
> You chaps really should get yourselves an up-to-date (ish) RISC OS version.
>
> Doesn't happen here, either case, with 4.39 or 6.20 ;-)
>
Ah yes. That's the other great advantage of newsgroups over forums. With
a forum you can moderate out most of the attempts at assinine point
scoring.
Long live Usenet and all the freedom it brings.
Stan
--
An Iyonix in Buskerud.
http://mistymornings.net
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| From | Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-13 20:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <4ec01505$0$5667$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr> |
| In reply to | #2470 |
On 13/11/2011 19:09, workstuff@mail.com wrote:
> With a forum you can moderate out most of the attempts at assinine
> point scoring.
You get used to people saying "you should use the latest <shiny>". It's
easy for somebody else to tell you what you need...
Fact is, three things:
1. I am not able to justify the cost of a newer RISC OS given that
3.70 what I want. Long filenames and the benefits of the extended
disc format would be *nice*, but aren't essential.
2. If I was to progress to a new RISC OS, I would like it to be in a
32 bit realm. The RiscPC is capable of 32 bit, time to progress
beyond 26 bit PC+PSR mode, for newer hardware will only do this old
mode through emulation. I believe RISC OS 6 is 26/32 neutral, but
will it run on 32 bit *only* hardware? The site implies VRPC/RiscPC
class hardware - not Iyonix etc?
3. I have been using RISC OS since my A3000 in 1989. I never knew you
could adjust-drag a file to a filesystem icon and, honestly, it
never once occurred to me to try!
Anyway, for the sake of a tweak or a command or a single useful SWI,
replies along the lines of "that's SO OLD, get an upgrade" are so
pathetically useless it isn't worth the effort of writing. If I was
rolling in dosh, I'd have an A9 and a Beagle and the latest set of
compiler kit and so on. But on a more restricted budget, I have to weigh
up the cost of a Beagle against an entire fully-blown netbook PC.
There's like 20 euros difference in price. Which is going to be more
useful to me, in the long run? That's how I justify what I do and don't
buy. £49 one off for RISC OS 6, or £99/year. Thanks, but I'm staying
with my 3.70 (plus 5 on RPCemu for dabbling with).
Best wishes,
Rick.
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| From | Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-13 22:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.lumdg50jasuyo01l5.news@stevefryatt.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #2471 |
On 13 Nov, Rick Murray wrote in message
<4ec01505$0$5667$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>:
> 1. I am not able to justify the cost of a newer RISC OS given that
> 3.70 what I want. Long filenames and the benefits of the extended
> disc format would be *nice*, but aren't essential.
Um. RISC OS 5 is quite cheap to end-users, as far as I know. I'm not sure
what the state of play is for running it on a RiscPC, however.
> 2. If I was to progress to a new RISC OS, I would like it to be in a
> 32 bit realm. The RiscPC is capable of 32 bit, time to progress
> beyond 26 bit PC+PSR mode, for newer hardware will only do this old
> mode through emulation. I believe RISC OS 6 is 26/32 neutral, but
> will it run on 32 bit *only* hardware? The site implies VRPC/RiscPC
> class hardware - not Iyonix etc?
The build system is 32-bit neutral, AFAIK, but builds are still *either*
26-bit *or* 32-bit. The Select scheme is 26-bit at present, and ROL cite
this as a virtue. The A9home is evidence that the 32-bit build switch
exists.
However, RISC OS 5 currently seems to be getting more updates than RISC OS
6, anyway. Maybe Dave could enlighten us as to when the last RISC OS 6
update came out for Select subscribers (that's a semi-serious question
actually, as I'm not sure)?
;-)
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
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| From | Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-13 22:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5231b4aa35dave@triffid.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #2477 |
In article <mpro.lumdg50jasuyo01l5.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote: [Snip] > However, RISC OS 5 currently seems to be getting more updates than RISC > OS 6, anyway. Maybe Dave could enlighten us as to when the last RISC OS > 6 update came out for Select subscribers (that's a semi-serious question > actually, as I'm not sure)? > ;-) Steve, I think it was late 2009. Hangonamo, I'll ferret in the cupboard for the install CD. Yup! December 2009 that is the same as the date on the Switcher Info. Dave -- Dave Triffid
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| From | Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-13 22:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5231b6be5bron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #2477 |
In article <mpro.lumdg50jasuyo01l5.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote: [Snip] > However, RISC OS 5 currently seems to be getting more updates than RISC OS > 6, anyway. Maybe Dave could enlighten us as to when the last RISC OS 6 > update came out for Select subscribers (that's a semi-serious question > actually, as I'm not sure) The last I heard was that Dave was no longer giving ROL any more of his hard earned cash and so was no longer a Select subscriber ;-)). Regards Ron.
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| From | Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-14 05:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5231dd1b51dave@triffid.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #2479 |
In article <5231b6be5bron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk>, Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > In article <mpro.lumdg50jasuyo01l5.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, > Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote: > [Snip] > > However, RISC OS 5 currently seems to be getting more updates than > > RISC OS 6, anyway. Maybe Dave could enlighten us as to when the last > > RISC OS 6 update came out for Select subscribers (that's a > > semi-serious question actually, as I'm not sure) > The last I heard was that Dave was no longer giving ROL any more of his > hard earned cash and so was no longer a Select subscriber ;-)). > Regards Ron. That is very true Ron, good memory. The problem remains, that since Select RO 6.20 Early December 2009 we've heard nothing of significance from ROL, and it's almost December 2011. I guess like a lot of folks, now with the economic doldrums, lolly getting harder to earn, other more pressing financial requirements at home etc, it's impossible to justify laying out 100 quid a year to the family when fund distribution comes up for discussion. Particularly with no movement from ROL of any sort, I just have no ammo... So for the first time since it began, I didn't renew my Select sub earlier this year. D. -- Dave Triffid
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| From | Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-11-14 01:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <00e9c63152.jess@itworkshop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #2477 |
In message <mpro.lumdg50jasuyo01l5.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 13 Nov, Rick Murray wrote in message
> <4ec01505$0$5667$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>:
>
> > 1. I am not able to justify the cost of a newer RISC OS given that
> > 3.70 what I want. Long filenames and the benefits of the extended
> > disc format would be *nice*, but aren't essential.
>
> Um. RISC OS 5 is quite cheap to end-users, as far as I know. I'm not sure
> what the state of play is for running it on a RiscPC, however.
I have tried it a while ago on and it seems to function OK, but given
that it is 32 bit, podules don't work which is a bit of a showstopper.
There is also the problem of 26 bit software. I suspect that it would
only become a really viable system when it is easy to install onto a
machine in a way that leaves the existing system untouched.
(For example, when partition suport is added, copy the existing drive to
a partition on a new larger drive and run RO 5 from a second partition,
which would remain unseen by the ROM based OS.)
--
Jess Iyonix
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| From | Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-14 06:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5231dd9e31dave@triffid.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #2480 |
In article <00e9c63152.jess@itworkshop.invalid>, Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote: > In message <mpro.lumdg50jasuyo01l5.news@stevefryatt.org.uk> > Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote: > > On 13 Nov, Rick Murray wrote in message > > <4ec01505$0$5667$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>: > > > > > 1. I am not able to justify the cost of a newer RISC OS given > > > that 3.70 what I want. Long filenames and the benefits of the > > > extended disc format would be *nice*, but aren't essential. > > > > Um. RISC OS 5 is quite cheap to end-users, as far as I know. I'm not > > sure what the state of play is for running it on a RiscPC, however. > I have tried it a while ago on and it seems to function OK, but given > that it is 32 bit, podules don't work which is a bit of a showstopper. > There is also the problem of 26 bit software. I suspect that it would > only become a really viable system when it is easy to install onto a > machine in a way that leaves the existing system untouched. > (For example, when partition suport is added, copy the existing drive to > a partition on a new larger drive and run RO 5 from a second partition, > which would remain unseen by the ROM based OS.) That's a very good idea. I have a RPCEmu running RO 5.17, but I could never have it as the OS on this SARPC., because a number of legacy 26 bit applications I use for my business, will obviously not Run under it. Eureka being one example. Maybe when I no longer have the business, and in this economic climate could be sooner than I expected, it would be okay. Dave -- Dave Triffid
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| From | Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-11-14 10:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <f5ddf43152.jess@itworkshop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #2481 |
In message <5231dd9e31dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>> (For example, when partition suport is added, copy the existing drive to
>> a partition on a new larger drive and run RO 5 from a second partition,
>> which would remain unseen by the ROM based OS.)
> That's a very good idea.
> I have a RPCEmu running RO 5.17, but I could never have it as the OS on
> this SARPC., because a number of legacy 26 bit applications I use for my
> business, will obviously not Run under it. Eureka being one example.
> Maybe when I no longer have the business, and in this economic climate
> could be sooner than I expected, it would be okay.
It would only really be a serious upgrade for users of 3.x, it is
better than RO 4 obviously, (unicode, DHCP).
Select and adjust have many features that RO 5 lacks. So as a main
system on a real Risc PC, they would be more desirable. (Especially if
you loaded improved components from RO 5.)
It needs to be dual bootable to be useful to most RPC owners. (Anyone
who needs / wants to try it, could do so with a removable drive
system, at present.)
--
Jess Iyonix
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| From | Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-11-14 17:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <52321cd519ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #2483 |
In article <f5ddf43152.jess@itworkshop.invalid>, Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote: [Snip.] > It would only really be a serious upgrade for users of 3.x, it is > better than RO 4 obviously, (unicode, DHCP). > Select and adjust have many features that RO 5 lacks. So as a main > system on a real Risc PC, they would be more desirable. (Especially if > you loaded improved components from RO 5.) > It needs to be dual bootable to be useful to most RPC owners. (Anyone > who needs / wants to try it, could do so with a removable drive > system, at present.) Why would anyone want to run 32bit OS5 on slower hardware? I would rather wait for Adrian Lees to get Aemulor working on the latest ARM hardware myself. Regards Ron.
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| From | Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-11-14 18:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9556243252.jess@itworkshop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #2488 |
In message <52321cd519ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk>
Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> It needs to be dual bootable to be useful to most RPC owners. (Anyone
>> who needs / wants to try it, could do so with a removable drive
>> system, at present.)
> Why would anyone want to run 32bit OS5 on slower hardware?
It would be an upgrade to 3.7 machines, and presumably faster, as RO 4
was.
Adjust (etc) users probably wouldn't apart from either curiosity or
the need to do compatibility testing.
--
Jess Iyonix
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| From | John Tytgat <this@is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2011-11-14 21:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <j9rtvq$6ki$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2490 |
On 11/14/2011 7:53 PM, Jess wrote: > In message<52321cd519ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> > Ron Briscoe<ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >>> It needs to be dual bootable to be useful to most RPC owners. (Anyone >>> who needs / wants to try it, could do so with a removable drive >>> system, at present.) > >> Why would anyone want to run 32bit OS5 on slower hardware? > > It would be an upgrade to 3.7 machines, and presumably faster, as RO 4 > was. Faster? Why so ? John.
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| From | Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> |
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| Date | 2011-11-14 22:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <2a14303252.martin@bach.planiverse.com> |
| In reply to | #2496 |
In message <j9rtvq$6ki$1@dont-email.me>
John Tytgat <this@is.invalid> wrote:
> On 11/14/2011 7:53 PM, Jess wrote:
>> In message<52321cd519ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Ron Briscoe<ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> It needs to be dual bootable to be useful to most RPC owners. (Anyone
>>>> who needs / wants to try it, could do so with a removable drive
>>>> system, at present.)
>>
>>> Why would anyone want to run 32bit OS5 on slower hardware?
>>
>> It would be an upgrade to 3.7 machines, and presumably faster, as RO 4
>> was.
> Faster? Why so ?
RO4 was advertised as being significantly faster than 3.7,
e.g., due to the fast service call tables and other optimizations.
--
Martin
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