Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!?

Subject	Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!?
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From	c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date	2025-06-20 01:27 -0400
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On 6/19/25 5:23 AM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
>> On 6/18/25 12:27 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
>>>> On 6/15/25 2:04 AM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
>>>>>> On 6/14/25 5:25 AM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> Frankly, Python is just generally 'better' these days.
>>>>>>>> Maybe not AS 'concise' but more 'readable' AND easier
>>>>>>>> to understand six months from now. The speed is now
>>>>>>>> 'adequate' and Python-4 is supposed to be even faster.
>>>>>>> Where are you getting your information?  There are no plans for
>>>>>>> Python 4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Nonsense ... search on it.
>>>>> I did.
>>>>
>>>>     Umm ... I've seen a lot of juicy details
>>>>     about Py4 over the past year .....
>>>>
>>>>     No, it won't show up this year - but MAYBE
>>>>     next year. In any case they promise high
>>>>     compatibility with Py3. The goal is more
>>>>     'optimization' than underlying structure.
>>>>
>>>>>>      The PLAN is far fewer diffs than between P2 and P3,
>>>>>>      just more optimization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      I'd say expect early releases within a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the basis for that claim?  Maybe you're right.  If so, you
>>>>> shouldn't have any difficulty citing a credible source.
>>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>     Wanna pay me for that much re-research ?
>>> No, I'm asking you to support a remarkable claim that *you* made.
>>> If what you say is true, it would be very interesting and I'd want
>>> to know more about it.
>>>
>>>>     This is usenet - take what you can get.
>>>>
>>>>     In any case, Python development is hardly
>>>>     a big secret. Do some searching.
>>> You claimed that I could easily verify that there are plans for
>>> Python 4 by searching for it.  I searched for it, and found that
>>> there are no such plans.
>>
>>    ????????
>>
>>
>> https://blog.bytescrum.com/the-future-of-python-what-to-expect-in-python-40
> 
> Speculation.
> 
> "As of now, there is no official release date for Python 4.0. The Python
> Software Foundation (PSF) has not announced any specific timeline for
> its release."
> 
>>    https://builtin.com/software-engineering-perspectives/python-4
> 
> Did you actually read that one?  "Python 4.0 is unlikely to be released
> due to compatibility issues experienced during the transition from
> Python 2 to Python 3. Here’s more on why Python 4.0 won’t happen, how
> Python 3 is being improved and what it would take to make Python 4.0 a
> reality."
> 
>> https://medium.com/@etherservices.mohandgm/python-4-0-and-beyond-what-lies-ahead-34d39ba6e953
> 
> The author thinks there's going to be a Python 4 -- or thought so 2
> years ago, when the article was written.  I see no evidence that the
> author has any inside information.
> 
>> https://www.codewithc.com/when-python-4-predictions-and-expectations-for-python-4/
> 
> Speculation from late 2023.  "As of now, the official release date for
> Python 4 remains shrouded in mystery. However, if we paint a speculative
> picture based on previous release patterns, we might be looking at
> Python 4 making its grand entrance somewhere in the mid-2020s. But hey,
> don’t hold me to that—Python’s release timeline can be as unpredictable
> as Delhi’s weather!"
> 
>> https://techinsightdaily.com/227/python-4-0-whats-new-and-what-you-need-to-know/
> 
> Speculation from early 2023.  The author talks about Python 4.0 in the
> present tense.
> 
> "Python 4.0 will also include improvements to the standard library. One
> of the most significant improvements is the addition of a new "pathlib"
> module, which provides a more modern and object-oriented way to work
> with file paths. The "pathlib" module will make it easier to write
> cross-platform code that works on Windows, Mac, and Linux."
> 
> pathlib was added in Python 3.4, released in 2014, 9 years before the
> article was written.
> 
>>    And on and on and on ...
>>
>>    WHY do you pretend there's no info ????????
> 
> I pretended nothing.  Of course there's going to be speculation
> about a future Python 4 release.  Guido van Rossum, the creator
> of Python, has said explicitly that Python 4.0 will never arrive.
> Admittedly he is no longer the BDFL, but I'm not aware of any
> changes in that policy.
> 
> You told me that a simple search would support your claim and
> initially refused to provide links.  A simple search turned up
> multiple credible sources saying that there are no plans for Python
> 4.0.  You've posted some links that appear to be speculative (and
> as I said, such speculation is unsurprising), and none from insiders.
> 
> *If* a Python 4 release is planned for the next couple of years or so,
> it's a well kept secret.
> 
> Will you consider the possibility that you might be mistaken?  Or,
> if you're right, can you provide a link to something on python.org
> that supports your claim?


   There WILL be a Python-4 ... have no doubts. Developers
   will work at it obsessively.

   Figure at least one year, maybe two.

   Too much beyond that and it'll be all 'AI' instead.
   You won't really "program", just roughly *describe*
   what you want the app to do and critique a bit.
   SO dull !  NO brains required.

   Until Vlad and Xi DESTROY it .......

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  Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-13 23:31 -0400
    Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-14 02:25 -0700
      Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-15 00:58 -0400
        Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-14 23:04 -0700
          Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> - 2025-06-15 14:46 +0100
            Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-15 13:44 -0700
              Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> - 2025-06-16 18:32 +0100
                Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-16 11:38 -0700
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                Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-16 23:07 +0000
          Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-17 23:38 -0400
            Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-18 09:27 -0700
              Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-19 01:30 -0400
                Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-19 02:23 -0700
                Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-20 01:27 -0400
                Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-20 12:32 -0700
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