Re: quantifying bloat

From	"Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org>
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Subject	Re: quantifying bloat
Date	2012-05-05 10:11 +0100
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James Dow Allen wrote:

> Anyway, the article claimed that Natural Language requires a
> *compromise* between information and redundancy:  It's the
> redundancy that keeps the information from appearing to be
> plain noise.

Reminds me a bit of the claims I've seen (sorry, can't remember where, but I've 
seen it more than once), that searching for extra-terrestrial signals is 
pointless because any civilisation advanced enough to send such a signal would 
also know how to compress it to the point where we couldn't tell it apart from 
random noise.

But that can't be true: if there is a possibility of errors in the 
transmission, then there /has/ to be redundancy in the signal.  I don't know 
whether the various searches for ETI are actually looking for checksums, but it 
doesn't seem like a bad idea ;-)

    -- chris

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