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| From | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
| Newsgroups | comp.os.vms |
| Subject | Re: DCL2 |
| Date | Mon, 8 Dec 2025 20:13:34 -0000 (UTC) |
| Organization | PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC |
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| Injection-Date | Mon, 8 Dec 2025 20:13:34 -0000 (UTC) |
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| Originator | cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) |
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In article <10h42ce$3g04g$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote: >On 06/12/2025 19:45, Scott Dorsey wrote: >> Let me just say that as the Unix shell advanced from ssh through ksh and >> into modern bash (with some csh sidelines), at the same time that all these >> great scripting facilities were being added to the shell-- people stopped >> using the shell for scripting and moved to special scripting languages like >> perl and python. >> >> So, while I am a fan of the unix shell (and less of a fan of DCL but still >> someone who appreciates DCL), I don't think most of the effort that has >> gone into making a sophisticated command language has been of that much >> use, since how people use the shell has changed. >> >> That being the case, I would think it would be better to spend the effort >> into getting better python integration for VMS than in souping up DCL. >> (And I really don't like python at all... the indentation being syntax >> reminds me far too much of JCL... but it's what everyone uses today.) > >I think you will find it started with sh (aka the Bourne shell) rather >than ssh! I mean, if we want to split hairs, it started well before Bourne was on the scene. Thompson wrote a rudimentary shell that was the default until Bourne came from the UK and did the 7th Ed shell in pseudo-Algol 68. :-) - Dan C.
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