Re: Security breach?

Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.security
From	unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Subject	Re: Security breach?
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Date	2013-01-13 23:51 +0000

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On 2013-01-13, GangGreene <GangGreene@example.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:40:27 +0000, unruh wrote:
>
>> On 2013-01-13, GangGreene <GangGreene@example.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:21:35 -0500, Jim Beard wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If you find compromised system files then you know that you must
>>>>> format and re-install with out a doubt.  At this time I would not
>>>>> care what other files have been installed.
>>>> 
>>>> You swing from one extreme (ignore that crackers can use rpm) to the
>>>> other (any compromised system files means you must format and
>>>> re-install with out a doubt).  I favor the format/re-install, but
>>>> after an attempt to track down what was actually done, to aid in
>>>> future defense if nothing else.
>>>
>>> No I am not going to go farther after knowing that system files are
>>> compromised.  That is enough for me to format and re-install.
>> 
>> Assuming you actually know that the change was not intentional. For
>> example, /etc/passwd is a system file. rpm -Va will tell you it has
>> changed. Do you reinstall? If you did you would spend all your time
>> reinstalling.
>
> I gave you the benefit of using your brain, are you saying that I should 
> not have?

You were the one who said that Beard should not use his brain, that
"after knowing that system files are compromised. that is enough for me
to format and re-install" after Beard suggested that perhaps a bit of
thought should go into it. Now you say that we should use our brain
before automatically reinstalling. Which is it? 

>
>
>> And if the cracker came in via say the Java 7 breakin, would you keep
>> rinstalling the same broken java?
>> 
>> 
>>>
>
> No I would install a more easily cracked version, again use your brain.

But how would you know that they broke in via Java if you do not spend
time tracking done what was actually done? 


>
>
> If you have the education of a two year old you should not be running 
> services on the web.

Agreed.

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