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| First post | 2023-01-31 21:42 +0000 |
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Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2023-01-31 21:42 +0000
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-02-01 08:03 +0100
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2023-02-01 17:19 +0000
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-02-01 10:35 -0800
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2023-02-03 21:45 +0000
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-02-03 18:39 -0500
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2023-02-04 14:34 +0200
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-02-04 18:06 -0500
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-02-04 20:34 -0800
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-02-05 21:10 -0500
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-05 08:34 +0000
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-02-05 21:12 -0500
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-06 04:34 +0000
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-06 01:19 -0500
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-06 18:18 +0000
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-07 00:13 -0500
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-02-09 00:18 -0500
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-02-09 17:06 +1000
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-02-09 10:08 -0500
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-09 11:31 +0000
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2023-02-09 10:10 -0500
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-11 02:39 -0500
Re: Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-02-06 14:00 -0800
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| From | vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com |
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| Date | 2023-01-31 21:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Gparted - Vostro Legacy/UEFI/IDE |
| Message-ID | <trc20f$epp$1@reader2.panix.com> |
It seems all three of my problems may be from this setting
I made all 500GB (HD) into an NTFS partition
(GParted was too fast in formatting - worried)
bash fsck instead of fdisk worked fine - no errors
the check disk in gparted menu didn't complain either
But trying to install XP finds some CHKDSK error
(tells me to chkdsk - gives me four hex numbers)
But Windows Setup loads all the drivers and
only blows when trying to start Windows itself
Setting back from Legacy to UEFI gives "check media[failed]"
This problem showed up when I moved the Win7 partiton
(hopefully now gone - deleted partitions, reformatted)
Also Knoppix (Quantian) can't find the filesystem
knoppix home=/dev/sda1/knoppix.img won't work either
One wierd possibility - I burned the ISOs on DVDs
Maybe they should be CD?
I know - my flawed memory (of doing this a decade ago) is confusing me
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Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
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| From | Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> |
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| Date | 2023-02-01 08:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <trd2rb$7oqe$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #36854 |
Am 31.01.2023 um 21:42:39 Uhr schrieb vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com: > But trying to install XP finds some CHKDSK error > (tells me to chkdsk - gives me four hex numbers) > But Windows Setup loads all the drivers and > only blows when trying to start Windows itself Use badblocks in Linux to completely check the entire drive for defect sectors.
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| From | vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com |
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| Date | 2023-02-01 17:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tre6vh$6nl$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #36857 |
In <trd2rb$7oqe$2@dont-email.me> by Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> on Wed, 01 Feb 2023 02:03:07 we perused:
81#81*+-Am 31.01.2023 um 21:42:39 Uhr schrieb
*+-vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com:
*+-> But trying to install XP finds some CHKDSK error
*+-> (tells me to chkdsk - gives me four hex numbers)
*+-> But Windows Setup loads all the drivers and
*+-> only blows when trying to start Windows itself
*+-Use badblocks in Linux to completely check the entire drive for defect
*+-sectors.
THanks. THe only OS that can currently run is the bash under gparted
which thankflully seems rather complete.
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Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-01 10:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <trebde$etqj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #36854 |
On 1/31/23 13:42, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote: > It seems all three of my problems may be from this setting > > I made all 500GB (HD) into an NTFS partition > (GParted was too fast in formatting - worried) > bash fsck instead of fdisk worked fine - no errors > the check disk in gparted menu didn't complain either > > But trying to install XP finds some CHKDSK error > (tells me to chkdsk - gives me four hex numbers) > But Windows Setup loads all the drivers and > only blows when trying to start Windows itself > > Setting back from Legacy to UEFI gives "check media[failed]" > > This problem showed up when I moved the Win7 partiton > (hopefully now gone - deleted partitions, reformatted) > > Also Knoppix (Quantian) can't find the filesystem > knoppix home=/dev/sda1/knoppix.img won't work either Of course it cannot find the file system but if you run GPartEd from Knoppix it will be able to create a file system which Knoppix can find. That is an ext4 or other Linux Filesystem. > > > > One wierd possibility - I burned the ISOs on DVDs > Maybe they should be CD? > > I know - my flawed memory (of doing this a decade ago) is confusing me > Currently best usage is a late live iso file burned to a Flash Drive of adequate size. If you burn Knoppix iso file to a Flash Drive of 8 GB you should as well be able to create a persistent space of about 3.6 GB in which you can store notes and changes. bliss - on the ever-faithful Dell Latitude E7450, PCLinuxOS 2022 KDE Plasma 5.26.5 Kernel: 6.1.8-pclos1 (64-bit) KDE Frameworks 5.102.0 - Qt Version: 5.15.6 Graphics : X11 - Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 5500 15.5 GiB of RAM - CPU 4 × Intel® Core™ i7-5600U CPU @ 2.60GHz Actually 2 real cores and 2 virtual cores. -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com |
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| Date | 2023-02-03 21:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <trjvan$8nk$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #36863 |
THanks, does this link add any info?
https://superuser.com/questions/122316/how-to-install-windows-xp-over-windows-7
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Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-03 18:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <87tu02iaj3.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #36893 |
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 21:45:59 -0000 (UTC), vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote: > > THanks, does this link add any info? > > https://superuser.com/questions/122316/how-to-install-windows-xp-over-windows-7 Umm, how about the other way around? Have some problems getting a VM running on Linux and thought to instead install Windows 10 (I have an image somewhere). Currently it looks like NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT sda 8:0 0 298.1G 0 disk ├─sda1 8:1 0 512M 0 part /boot/efi ├─sda2 8:2 0 195.3G 0 part / └─sda3 8:3 0 7.8G 0 part [SWAP] here. There is some not allocated space of may be 80 GB I'd use for Windows. Thus Windows won't be on the first partition. Is it a problem to install Windows after Linux? -- Andreas
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| From | Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> |
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| Date | 2023-02-04 14:34 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sm0o7q9sj6q.fsf@lakka.kapsi.fi> |
| In reply to | #36894 |
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes: > Is it a problem to install Windows after Linux? I don't think so. I'd make an image of the Linux partition just in case and a copy of the partition table too. In the bad old days Windows would overwrite your boot loader and so you'd need some way of reinstalling it. In these UEFI days you should be able to boot Linux from the UEFI boot menu even if that happens.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-04 18:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <875ychhvxu.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #36902 |
On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 14:34:37 +0200, Anssi Saari wrote: > > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes: > >> Is it a problem to install Windows after Linux? > > I don't think so. I'd make an image of the Linux partition just in case > and a copy of the partition table too. > > In the bad old days Windows would overwrite your boot loader and so > you'd need some way of reinstalling it. In these UEFI days you should > be able to boot Linux from the UEFI boot menu even if that happens. Thanks. Am just worried the Windows installation might be similar dumb as Chrome OS Flex, to not let the user choose a partition to be installed at. Well, not planned any time soon anyway, so I keep looking for info. -- Andreas
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-04 20:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <trnbju$2brfj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #36909 |
On 2/4/23 15:06, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 14:34:37 +0200, Anssi Saari wrote: >> >> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes: >> >>> Is it a problem to install Windows after Linux? >> >> I don't think so. I'd make an image of the Linux partition just in case >> and a copy of the partition table too. >> >> In the bad old days Windows would overwrite your boot loader and so >> you'd need some way of reinstalling it. In these UEFI days you should >> be able to boot Linux from the UEFI boot menu even if that happens. > > Thanks. > > Am just worried the Windows installation might be similar dumb as Chrome > OS Flex, to not let the user choose a partition to be installed at. > > Well, not planned any time soon anyway, so I keep looking for info. Well when Windows does a kernel update it has to rewrite the Windows boot loader which will require a boot re-install if you have Linux on the same disk. bliss - “Nearly any fool can use a GNU/Linux computer. Many do.” After all here I am... -- bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-05 21:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <874jrzh7ck.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #36915 |
On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 20:34:05 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > On 2/4/23 15:06, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > >> Am just worried the Windows installation might be similar dumb as >> Chrome >> OS Flex, to not let the user choose a partition to be installed at. >> Well, not planned any time soon anyway, so I keep looking for info. > > Well when Windows does a kernel update it has to rewrite the > Windows boot loader which will require a boot re-install if > you have > Linux on the same disk. Eeeeks! I had Windows until Windows 2000, but it never messed with MBR back then when there was an update. If Windows 10 (I have an ISO) really does this I won't install it next to Linux. Game over, Windows! -- Andreas
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-05 08:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <trnpmc$2e04l$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #36909 |
On 04/02/2023 23:06, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 14:34:37 +0200, Anssi Saari wrote: >> >> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes: >> >>> Is it a problem to install Windows after Linux? >> >> I don't think so. I'd make an image of the Linux partition just in case >> and a copy of the partition table too. >> >> In the bad old days Windows would overwrite your boot loader and so >> you'd need some way of reinstalling it. In these UEFI days you should >> be able to boot Linux from the UEFI boot menu even if that happens. > > Thanks. > > Am just worried the Windows installation might be similar dumb as Chrome > OS Flex, to not let the user choose a partition to be installed at. > > Well, not planned any time soon anyway, so I keep looking for info. In general Windows does not see the need to parallel install, but Linux does, ergo its usually safer to install windows first and let Linux sort out the mess. But really its far easier to use virtual box if you have spare RAM -- Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason they are poor. Peter Thompson
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-05 21:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <871qn3h78k.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #36917 |
On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 08:34:20 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > On 04/02/2023 23:06, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> >> Am just worried the Windows installation might be similar dumb as >> Chrome >> OS Flex, to not let the user choose a partition to be installed at. >> Well, not planned any time soon anyway, so I keep looking for info. > > In general Windows does not see the need to parallel install, but > Linux does, ergo its usually safer to install windows first and let > Linux sort out the mess. I put a lot of effort into Linux already, so won't reinstall it only to have Windows. > But really its far easier to use virtual box if you have spare RAM Only 8 GB here. Also had trouble trying to get Qemu working (some errors with devices it couldn't find on initial launch). May be I'll try VirtualBox at some point. -- Andreas
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 04:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Kr%DL.409660$gGD7.160174@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #36922 |
On 2023-02-06, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 08:34:20 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> In general Windows does not see the need to parallel install, but >> Linux does, ergo its usually safer to install windows first and let >> Linux sort out the mess. I'd reword that to: Windows sees the need to not parallel install. Gotta keep that monopoly going somehow. > I put a lot of effort into Linux already, so won't reinstall it only to > have Windows. > >> But really its far easier to use virtual box if you have spare RAM > > Only 8 GB here. Also had trouble trying to get Qemu working (some errors > with devices it couldn't find on initial launch). > > May be I'll try VirtualBox at some point. If you don't have to be bleeding-edge, try my solution: I run XP under VirtualBox, and it runs fine with 512MB of memory. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 01:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <dGadnWGp8KiVAX3-nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #36927 |
On 2/5/23 11:34 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2023-02-06, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 08:34:20 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> In general Windows does not see the need to parallel install, but >>> Linux does, ergo its usually safer to install windows first and let >>> Linux sort out the mess. > > I'd reword that to: Windows sees the need to not parallel install. > Gotta keep that monopoly going somehow. Absolutely correct. M$ is fully, totally, sociopathically, IN IT FOR THE MONEY. Won't be long before it does a SCAN for "alternate OS's" on boot - and freezes the machine if if finds anything. I'll bet Win-12. Oh, and you'll have to scrap yer gen8 boxes too so M$ can get a chunk of all the REQUIRED gen12+ boxes. Nobody says anything, nobody does anything, no big lawsuits or anti-trust actions ........... >> I put a lot of effort into Linux already, so won't reinstall it only to >> have Windows. I don't use Winders for anything. Haven't for many years. But not everybody has that option. >>> But really its far easier to use virtual box if you have spare RAM >> >> Only 8 GB here. Also had trouble trying to get Qemu working (some errors >> with devices it couldn't find on initial launch). >> >> May be I'll try VirtualBox at some point. > > If you don't have to be bleeding-edge, try my solution: > I run XP under VirtualBox, and it runs fine with 512MB of memory. But for how much longer ? Oh, and how long will the bosses put up with "obsolete" OS's they've been told are "insecure"/"inadequate" ??? They REALLY don't know any better but DO control the paycheck$. VirtualBox is good - and KVM/VMware can do most of what VB does. "WINE" just announced a major new upgrade ... haven't checked yet if it can run Win-11 stuff decently. Oh well, I'm old enough to retire at any time. Not all of you are in that position however ........ My only satisfaction ... I started with PDP-11's and punch cards and can do electronics/embedded. I don't see much of any "new me's" as practical replacements. I suspect a Giant Flushing Sound one the me's leave the scene :-) Well ... note my other thread on ChatGPT and what M$ is merging into it ... there may BE NO "programmers" anymore, we finally outsmarted ourselves ........
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 18:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <svbEL.609366$iU59.593017@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #36934 |
On 2023-02-06, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > On 2/5/23 11:34 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2023-02-06, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 08:34:20 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> In general Windows does not see the need to parallel install, but >>>> Linux does, ergo its usually safer to install windows first and let >>>> Linux sort out the mess. >> >> I'd reword that to: Windows sees the need to not parallel install. >> Gotta keep that monopoly going somehow. > > Absolutely correct. M$ is fully, totally, sociopathically, > IN IT FOR THE MONEY. > > Won't be long before it does a SCAN for "alternate OS's" > on boot - and freezes the machine if if finds anything. > I'll bet Win-12. Oh, and you'll have to scrap yer gen8 > boxes too so M$ can get a chunk of all the REQUIRED gen12+ > boxes. Nobody says anything, nobody does anything, no big > lawsuits or anti-trust actions ........... Stuff like this has been going on since the Windows 95 Registration Troj^H^H^H^HWizard, which someone discovered was scanning your machine for over 200 different software packages (most of them from other vendors) and reporting the results back to the mother ship. Then there was UEFI, which for all its good intentions was turned into an attempt to make it impossible to boot anything but Windows on what is laughingly referred to as "your" computer. >> If you don't have to be bleeding-edge, try my solution: >> I run XP under VirtualBox, and it runs fine with 512MB of memory. > > But for how much longer ? Oh, and how long will the > bosses put up with "obsolete" OS's they've been told > are "insecure"/"inadequate" ??? They REALLY don't know > any better but DO control the paycheck$. I'm in a good position - I work for a small outfit and can use XP to compile and test my stuff, which I've designed to run on anything from 95 to the latest version. (Plus Linux - we're starting to get some customers who want some freedom themselves.) > Oh well, I'm old enough to retire at any time. Not all > of you are in that position however ........ I am, but I still get satisfaction from my work. And the money really helps in these inflated times... > My only satisfaction ... I started with PDP-11's and > punch cards and can do electronics/embedded. I don't > see much of any "new me's" as practical replacements. > I suspect a Giant Flushing Sound one the me's leave > the scene :-) I'm with you there. I started on small mainframes - where "small" meant that 32K of memory was lots of room. > Well ... note my other thread on ChatGPT and what M$ > is merging into it ... there may BE NO "programmers" > anymore, we finally outsmarted ourselves ........ Time to go underground. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-07 00:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <wuGcnbXkCuiXQ3z-nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #36936 |
On 2/6/23 1:18 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2023-02-06, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > >> On 2/5/23 11:34 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2023-02-06, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 08:34:20 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> In general Windows does not see the need to parallel install, but >>>>> Linux does, ergo its usually safer to install windows first and let >>>>> Linux sort out the mess. >>> >>> I'd reword that to: Windows sees the need to not parallel install. >>> Gotta keep that monopoly going somehow. >> >> Absolutely correct. M$ is fully, totally, sociopathically, >> IN IT FOR THE MONEY. >> >> Won't be long before it does a SCAN for "alternate OS's" >> on boot - and freezes the machine if if finds anything. >> I'll bet Win-12. Oh, and you'll have to scrap yer gen8 >> boxes too so M$ can get a chunk of all the REQUIRED gen12+ >> boxes. Nobody says anything, nobody does anything, no big >> lawsuits or anti-trust actions ........... > > Stuff like this has been going on since the Windows 95 Registration > Troj^H^H^H^HWizard, which someone discovered was scanning your machine > for over 200 different software packages (most of them from other > vendors) and reporting the results back to the mother ship. > > Then there was UEFI, which for all its good intentions was turned > into an attempt to make it impossible to boot anything but Windows > on what is laughingly referred to as "your" computer. > >>> If you don't have to be bleeding-edge, try my solution: >>> I run XP under VirtualBox, and it runs fine with 512MB of memory. >> >> But for how much longer ? Oh, and how long will the >> bosses put up with "obsolete" OS's they've been told >> are "insecure"/"inadequate" ??? They REALLY don't know >> any better but DO control the paycheck$. > > I'm in a good position - I work for a small outfit and can > use XP to compile and test my stuff, which I've designed to > run on anything from 95 to the latest version. (Plus Linux - > we're starting to get some customers who want some freedom > themselves.) > >> Oh well, I'm old enough to retire at any time. Not all >> of you are in that position however ........ > > I am, but I still get satisfaction from my work. And the > money really helps in these inflated times... I'd like to stretch the paychecks & insurance plan at least another year ... but I dunno ..... >> My only satisfaction ... I started with PDP-11's and >> punch cards and can do electronics/embedded. I don't >> see much of any "new me's" as practical replacements. >> I suspect a Giant Flushing Sound one the me's leave >> the scene :-) > > I'm with you there. I started on small mainframes - where > "small" meant that 32K of memory was lots of room. The bastards with the PDP-11 did have terminals, but we low-lives were expected to punch cards just like THEY had to do :-) Surprised they didn't give us drum drives and mercury- delay "ram" ....... >> Well ... note my other thread on ChatGPT and what M$ >> is merging into it ... there may BE NO "programmers" >> anymore, we finally outsmarted ourselves ........ > > Time to go underground. It'll work for awhile, but the "AI"s and their inefficient but CHEAP approach to software WILL win in the end unless the Giant Solar Flare happens. Oh well, I kinda remember how to make radios with vacuum tubes .......
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-09 00:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <87wn4rbeng.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #36927 |
On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 04:34:50 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > On 2023-02-06, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > >> Only 8 GB here. Also had trouble trying to get Qemu working (some errors >> with devices it couldn't find on initial launch). >> >> May be I'll try VirtualBox at some point. May the I have not activated the VM option in the BIOS (I didn't even know something like this exists). Will have to check next time I reboot. Or can it be checked on a running Linux? May be with inxi? > If you don't have to be bleeding-edge, try my solution: > I run XP under VirtualBox, and it runs fine with 512MB of memory. The program I want to run is a game which needs at least Windows 8. -- Andreas
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| From | Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-09 17:06 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <63e49b5f@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #36969 |
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > >> If you don't have to be bleeding-edge, try my solution: >> I run XP under VirtualBox, and it runs fine with 512MB of memory. > > The program I want to run is a game which needs at least Windows 8. Maybe check whether it works in Wine as well? Note that you have to install 32bit libs if your Linux installation is 64bit for Wine to work (or at least I did, but I'm running 32bit Windows XP programs). https://appdb.winehq.org/ -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-09 10:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <87edqyc1vg.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #36970 |
On 9 Feb 2023 17:06:08 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >> >>> If you don't have to be bleeding-edge, try my solution: >>> I run XP under VirtualBox, and it runs fine with 512MB of memory. >> >> The program I want to run is a game which needs at least Windows 8. > > Maybe check whether it works in Wine as well? Note that you have to > install 32bit libs if your Linux installation is 64bit for Wine to > work (or at least I did, but I'm running 32bit Windows XP > programs). > > https://appdb.winehq.org/ Thanks. Will try Wine at some point. Have it already for VPinball and it works great. -- Andreas
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-09 11:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ts2li6$lia4$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #36969 |
On 09/02/2023 05:18, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > The program I want to run is a game which needs at least Windows 8. Does it require fast graphics? That is the one thing that is not great on virtual machines.. -- "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics." Josef Stalin
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