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Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 07:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:12 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 09:03 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:25 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:45 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:21 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 04:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-14 14:27 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:51 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 03:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:46 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:16 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-15 17:02 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 19:05 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 20:41 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 22:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 02:00 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 02:55 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:54 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:00 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:07 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:51 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:34 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:14 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 20:22 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 16:47 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:11 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:29 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:19 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:09 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:23 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:26 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 10:32 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:44 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 13:55 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 17:02 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:37 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 19:14 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 20:50 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:45 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 00:22 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:41 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:39 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:50 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:33 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 21:47 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:13 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 01:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:42 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:49 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:32 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:38 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:27 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:22 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-12 09:53 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:34 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:37 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:42 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 04:18 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 20:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 23:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 03:57 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:11 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-14 07:01 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 04:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-14 10:56 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:40 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-12 13:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-06-17 15:43 +0800
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:28 -0400
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400 |
| Subject | Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! |
| Message-ID | <S8adna3ol5hKALb3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
OK ... OpenSUSE has become just kinda TERRIBLE ... it's like stepping 25 years back. The installer won't let you change the disks - BTRFS or nothing. The desktops offered are KDS (nasty), GNOME (worse) or an XCFC that will only use Wayland and will not start properly in VirtualBox (unless you pick an 'invalid' option = 800x600) AFTER install, theoretically Cinemmon and IceWM are to be had ... but IF you install them then even the cheat boot won't work. (if starting from XFCE) Other software and devel stuff - a VERY short list. WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED ??? What an EMBARRASSMENT ! Is the "team" down to one old guy with a "Fallen And Can't Get Up" tag around his neck ? Shows how much a distro CAN rot away. Yea, tried the offline AND online installers. Hell, even had to install YAST2 using Zypper. NO software center at all in XFCE. The one in KDE, "Discovery", only shows maybe ten percent of the actual software to be had ... gotta use YAST. OpenSUSE used to be kinda 'Cadillac'. Used it for a LONG time - desktops and servers. Now it seems to intentionally work against your desires - as shriveled as a 99 year olds testicles. KDE seems the ONLY quasi-viable environment, and I'm not fond of KDE. Really looks like the DebiVerse is the only place left for a full/easy/decent Linux system. The Arch universe is 'fair' - but DID have serious hangs in the update process about a year in. Oh well, spent FIVE hours fucking with it ... I'll see what still can, and can't, be done with the Modern New And Improved OpenSUSE. Can't even find my Cinnemon install - the KDE login thing doesn't seem to have any alt desktop selector. IMHO, if you want RPMs, Fedora. Had serious update probs with the latest one though - even NOT in a virtual machine. They know, they can't seem to get it fixed properly, hangs about a third of the way through.
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 07:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <110g6uf$1dlem$5@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #87875 |
On 12.06.2026 01:49 c186282 c186282 wrote: > IMHO, if you want RPMs, Fedora. Had serious update > probs with the latest one though - even NOT in a > virtual machine. They know, they can't seem to get > it fixed properly, hangs about a third of the > way through. What was the issue with that? I also use it and updating it works fine.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 02:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1NqdnX_-U77wPrb3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87876 |
On 6/12/26 01:54, Marco Moock wrote: > On 12.06.2026 01:49 c186282 c186282 wrote: > >> IMHO, if you want RPMs, Fedora. Had serious update >> probs with the latest one though - even NOT in a >> virtual machine. They know, they can't seem to get >> it fixed properly, hangs about a third of the >> way through. > > What was the issue with that? The ISSUE is that the usual GUI updater DOES NOT WORK. > I also use it and updating it works fine. Well, I installed it native on a couple of different boxes, VERY different experience. It kinda works ONCE, then ...... This was the latest version AND a point update of that. AM using a good wifi link. MIGHT be involved somehow. However my whole system is JUST wifi at this point, no hardwires coming in from a pole anywhere, no wired hubs. This is becoming very 'usual'. Providers HATE wires because they are EXPENSIVE to maintain.
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| From | Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 09:03 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <110gb03$1dlem$6@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #87877 |
On 12.06.2026 02:12 c186282 c186282 wrote: > The ISSUE is that the usual GUI updater > DOES NOT WORK. Discover? Works for me. What does not work on your system?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 03:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1NqdnXr-U773Kbb3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87885 |
On 6/12/26 03:03, Marco Moock wrote: > On 12.06.2026 02:12 c186282 c186282 wrote: > >> The ISSUE is that the usual GUI updater >> DOES NOT WORK. > > Discover? > > Works for me. What does not work on your system? Hmmmmm ... "works" ??? For fun, search for, say, "COBOL". Then try zypper or yast. "Myrlyn" - IF you set the search params wide enough - can kinda find such stuff ... but often TOO much stuff. Hey, just did it five minutes ago.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 06:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n91mtdFjf5pU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87875 |
On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:49:42 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Hell, even had to install YAST2 using Zypper. > NO software center at all in XFCE. The one in KDE, "Discovery", only > shows maybe ten percent of the actual software to be had ... gotta use > YAST. Did you get a yast2 GUI? 'zypper in yast2' give you choices, one of which is to remove busybox-hostname, the other is to install it but some dependencies might be missing. I took the goat behind Door 3. It installed but it's the ncurses TUI. > OpenSUSE used to be kinda 'Cadillac'. Used it for a LONG time - desktops > and servers. Now it seems to intentionally work against your desires - > as shriveled as a 99 year olds testicles. Leap 16 is now downstream of SLE with some additional community packages. Yast has been replaced by Myrlyn. The Agama installed is a work in progress. A common complaint is people assuming it's a linear install like most other distros. If you don't select a DE from the menus on the left you get the straight server install. "WTF do I do now?" Supposedly they will make it a little more user friendly. Then there's CockPit, which I'm not sure really works on Leap yet. If you want to live dangerously go for Tumbleweed or Slowroll. They're rolling distros. Even that's a little strange as updating is 'zypper dup' so every update is treated like a distro update.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 03:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1NqdnXj-U76ZL7b3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87879 |
On 6/12/26 02:22, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:49:42 -0400, c186282 wrote: > > >> Hell, even had to install YAST2 using Zypper. >> NO software center at all in XFCE. The one in KDE, "Discovery", only >> shows maybe ten percent of the actual software to be had ... gotta use >> YAST. > > Did you get a yast2 GUI? 'zypper in yast2' give you choices, one of which > is to remove busybox-hostname, the other is to install it but some > dependencies might be missing. I took the goat behind Door 3. It installed > but it's the ncurses TUI. Installed "yast" from "Discovery" - didn't even have its real name. Whether you evoke "yast" or "yast2" on the CL you get the SAME curses-based interface. The old GUI version ... does it still exist ??? >> OpenSUSE used to be kinda 'Cadillac'. Used it for a LONG time - desktops >> and servers. Now it seems to intentionally work against your desires - >> as shriveled as a 99 year olds testicles. > > Leap 16 is now downstream of SLE with some additional community packages. > Yast has been replaced by Myrlyn. The Agama installed is a work in > progress. A common complaint is people assuming it's a linear install like > most other distros. If you don't select a DE from the menus on the left > you get the straight server install. "WTF do I do now?" Didn't do the server install. TRIED the XFCE first, very threadbare and hates VBox. Then KDE even though I don't like it. Has more stuff. Just started myrlyn a minute ago ... "searched" for "FORTRAN" and "COBOL" with all search-field boxes checked. NADA. Checked the "contains" box and it FINALLY found some stuff - too MUCH stuff. It's better than "discovery" but still not my old GUI YAST. And the software SELECTION is much smaller than even a few years ago. > Supposedly they will make it a little more user friendly. Then there's > CockPit, which I'm not sure really works on Leap yet. > > If you want to live dangerously go for Tumbleweed or Slowroll. They're > rolling distros. Even that's a little strange as updating is 'zypper dup' > so every update is treated like a distro update. Did TW a couple versions ago. It's kinda like Manjaro, more than a few updates and it updates EVERYTHING, gigabytes worth. I've got a not-so-great connection. As said, OpenSUSE used to be "Cadillac" - now it's NOT anything like that. Sad. Oh well, DebiVerse Forever it seems .....
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 11:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <931tfmxnjb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87886 |
On 2026-06-12 09:14, c186282 wrote: > On 6/12/26 02:22, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:49:42 -0400, c186282 wrote: ... > Didn't do the server install. TRIED the XFCE first, very > threadbare and hates VBox. Then KDE even though I don't > like it. Has more stuff. > > Just started myrlyn a minute ago ... "searched" for > "FORTRAN" and "COBOL" with all search-field boxes > checked. NADA. Checked the "contains" box and it > FINALLY found some stuff - too MUCH stuff. It's better > than "discovery" but still not my old GUI YAST. Use "opi" to search for extra packages. opi fortran finds dozens of hits. cer@Laicolasse:~> opi cobol Searching repos for: cobol 1. gnucobol 2. gnu-cobol 3. gnucobol-esql 4. gnucobol-runtime 5. gnucobol-esql-devel Pick a number (0 to quit): This is not new. > > And the software SELECTION is much smaller than even > a few years ago. Use opi. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-12 23:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MY6cnSJK1r0TUbH3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87893 |
On 6/12/26 05:45, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-06-12 09:14, c186282 wrote: >> On 6/12/26 02:22, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:49:42 -0400, c186282 wrote: > > ... > >> Didn't do the server install. TRIED the XFCE first, very >> threadbare and hates VBox. Then KDE even though I don't >> like it. Has more stuff. >> >> Just started myrlyn a minute ago ... "searched" for >> "FORTRAN" and "COBOL" with all search-field boxes >> checked. NADA. Checked the "contains" box and it >> FINALLY found some stuff - too MUCH stuff. It's better >> than "discovery" but still not my old GUI YAST. > > Use "opi" to search for extra packages. > > opi fortran finds dozens of hits. > > cer@Laicolasse:~> opi cobol > Searching repos for: cobol > 1. gnucobol > 2. gnu-cobol > 3. gnucobol-esql > 4. gnucobol-runtime > 5. gnucobol-esql-devel > Pick a number (0 to quit): > > > This is not new. Is to me ... I went Deb some years ago when OS dropped a bunch of olde-tyme utils for no good reason. I used a lot of those from Python scripts and such. Evoke, parse, exactly the info I wanted. Now, OS looks just HORRIBLE. >> And the software SELECTION is much smaller than even >> a few years ago. > > Use opi. Hmm - NOT installed by default. Why not ? Barely different from zypper. After INSTALLING Yast ... the terminal version seems the only survivor ... it too can find obscure stuff, but makes installation/dependencies easier than zypper. Also, 'opi' is pure CLI, not a convenient and very helpful GUI thingie like 'synaptic'. Really NOTHING beats synaptic for all-around utility. 'OctoPkg' comes close, but it's still clunkier. Sorry, not sold. Not at all. Seen how it COULD be, and now they took it all away. Gonna squish it into a Maybe-Someday VDI file and stash it somewhere deep and dark until I want the disk space back. NO point in wasting my time with today's idea of OpenSUSE. Some versions of Arch that might be interesting, a couple BSDs too. Never tried Gentoo ... might be worth a look. Did install GhostBSD on another box, not TOO bad, worth more time. But OpenSUSE ... past glory, modern DISAPPOINTMENT. FLUSH !
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-13 04:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9443hFnm4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87915 |
On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 23:21:18 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Some versions of Arch that might be interesting, > a couple BSDs too. Never tried Gentoo ... might be worth a look. Did > install GhostBSD on another box, not TOO bad, worth more time. I ran EndeavourOS for a while. It doesn't give you the l33t street cred of installing Arch piece by piece but in the end you get a Arch machine with a couple of extras. There is a 'Welcome' app to do updates, rank repositories, and other stuff. 'yay' does the grunt work of installing AUR packages. It worked well until it didn't. I tried to salvage it with a live USB but I didn't have much data on it, none of it irretrievable so I used the iso I'd used for a VM on the Fedora box. > But OpenSUSE ... past glory, modern DISAPPOINTMENT. I switched to SuSE in 2002, using the shrink wrapped 8.1 Professional from BestBuy. I still have the box. https://www.suse.com/news/81_i386/ "SUSE Linux 8.1 Professional (7 CDs, 1 DVD, User Guide and Administration Guide, 90 days of installation support)" Red Hat Linux had pissed me off and SuSE offered KDE right out of the box. I really liked KMail, KNode, and Yast. I ran it at work and at home for years. Prior to the current Leap I ran 13.2 well past its EOL. It was openSUSE by then. I did not upgrade to Leap 42 since people were having problems with the in place upgrade. It works and I expect it will be stable since it's downstream of SLE. I also has a WSL openSUSE at work and was used to zypper. No interest in gnu-cobol so that wasn't a problem. BTW, thank you. The discussion of the lack of local TV stations led me to find that PBS now has a transmitter on TV Mountain which is LOS for me rather than Dean Stone, which isn't. And I mean LOS. If a laser designator had a 20 km range I could put a Hellfire on it. According to the website the translator service was restored 4/1. The schedule is slightly different with Austin City Limits on at midnight Sat/Sun. Mountains present challenges for communication but when you have a 7000' mountain you don't need no stinking tower. The Christian analog station was close to the ham repeater and I was surprised. It was a simple dipole. Of course when you're on top of a mountain you can really get out with a 2m handheld too.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-14 14:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n97l0uFgcntU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87915 |
On 2026-06-13 05:21, c186282 wrote:
> On 6/12/26 05:45, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-12 09:14, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 6/12/26 02:22, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:49:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Didn't do the server install. TRIED the XFCE first, very
>>> threadbare and hates VBox. Then KDE even though I don't
>>> like it. Has more stuff.
>>>
>>> Just started myrlyn a minute ago ... "searched" for
>>> "FORTRAN" and "COBOL" with all search-field boxes
>>> checked. NADA. Checked the "contains" box and it
>>> FINALLY found some stuff - too MUCH stuff. It's better
>>> than "discovery" but still not my old GUI YAST.
>>
>> Use "opi" to search for extra packages.
>>
>> opi fortran finds dozens of hits.
>>
>> cer@Laicolasse:~> opi cobol
>> Searching repos for: cobol
>> 1. gnucobol
>> 2. gnu-cobol
>> 3. gnucobol-esql
>> 4. gnucobol-runtime
>> 5. gnucobol-esql-devel
>> Pick a number (0 to quit):
>>
>>
>> This is not new.
>
> Is to me ... I went Deb some years ago when OS
> dropped a bunch of olde-tyme utils for no good
> reason. I used a lot of those from Python scripts
> and such. Evoke, parse, exactly the info I wanted.
>
> Now, OS looks just HORRIBLE.
>
>>> And the software SELECTION is much smaller than even
>>> a few years ago.
>>
>> Use opi.
>
> Hmm - NOT installed by default. Why not ? Barely
> different from zypper.
Not so. It is a lot different than zypper. It searches in all repos,
configured or not, and finds what repo has it. Then it adds the repo and
install the package(s), by calling zypper.
>
> After INSTALLING Yast ... the terminal version seems
> the only survivor ... it too can find obscure stuff,
> but makes installation/dependencies easier than zypper.
Do not use YaST, it is not maintained. It will cause errors eventually.
Use myrlin.
>
> Also, 'opi' is pure CLI, not a convenient and very
> helpful GUI thingie like 'synaptic'. Really NOTHING
> beats synaptic for all-around utility. 'OctoPkg'
> comes close, but it's still clunkier.
>
> Sorry, not sold. Not at all. Seen how it COULD be,
> and now they took it all away.
I don't care you don't like it. YOU HAVE to use opi to find things you
don't find with zypper or myrlin. There is no alternative.
>
> Gonna squish it into a Maybe-Someday VDI file and
> stash it somewhere deep and dark until I want the
> disk space back. NO point in wasting my time with
> today's idea of OpenSUSE.
>
> Some versions of Arch that might be interesting,
> a couple BSDs too. Never tried Gentoo ... might be
> worth a look. Did install GhostBSD on another box,
> not TOO bad, worth more time.
>
> But OpenSUSE ... past glory, modern DISAPPOINTMENT.
>
> FLUSH !
>
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-14 22:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xFSdnax6L8ov9bL3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87960 |
On 6/14/26 08:27, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-06-13 05:21, c186282 wrote: >> On 6/12/26 05:45, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2026-06-12 09:14, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 6/12/26 02:22, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2026 01:49:42 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> >>>> Didn't do the server install. TRIED the XFCE first, very >>>> threadbare and hates VBox. Then KDE even though I don't >>>> like it. Has more stuff. >>>> >>>> Just started myrlyn a minute ago ... "searched" for >>>> "FORTRAN" and "COBOL" with all search-field boxes >>>> checked. NADA. Checked the "contains" box and it >>>> FINALLY found some stuff - too MUCH stuff. It's better >>>> than "discovery" but still not my old GUI YAST. >>> >>> Use "opi" to search for extra packages. >>> >>> opi fortran finds dozens of hits. >>> >>> cer@Laicolasse:~> opi cobol >>> Searching repos for: cobol >>> 1. gnucobol >>> 2. gnu-cobol >>> 3. gnucobol-esql >>> 4. gnucobol-runtime >>> 5. gnucobol-esql-devel >>> Pick a number (0 to quit): >>> >>> >>> This is not new. >> >> Is to me ... I went Deb some years ago when OS >> dropped a bunch of olde-tyme utils for no good >> reason. I used a lot of those from Python scripts >> and such. Evoke, parse, exactly the info I wanted. >> >> Now, OS looks just HORRIBLE. >> >>>> And the software SELECTION is much smaller than even >>>> a few years ago. >>> >>> Use opi. >> >> Hmm - NOT installed by default. Why not ? Barely >> different from zypper. > > Not so. It is a lot different than zypper. It searches in all repos, > configured or not, and finds what repo has it. Then it adds the repo and > install the package(s), by calling zypper. > >> >> After INSTALLING Yast ... the terminal version seems >> the only survivor ... it too can find obscure stuff, >> but makes installation/dependencies easier than zypper. > > Do not use YaST, it is not maintained. It will cause errors eventually. > Use myrlin. > >> >> Also, 'opi' is pure CLI, not a convenient and very >> helpful GUI thingie like 'synaptic'. Really NOTHING >> beats synaptic for all-around utility. 'OctoPkg' >> comes close, but it's still clunkier. >> >> Sorry, not sold. Not at all. Seen how it COULD be, >> and now they took it all away. > > I don't care you don't like it. YOU HAVE to use opi to find things you > don't find with zypper or myrlin. There is no alternative. > >> >> Gonna squish it into a Maybe-Someday VDI file and >> stash it somewhere deep and dark until I want the >> disk space back. NO point in wasting my time with >> today's idea of OpenSUSE. >> >> Some versions of Arch that might be interesting, >> a couple BSDs too. Never tried Gentoo ... might be >> worth a look. Did install GhostBSD on another box, >> not TOO bad, worth more time. >> >> But OpenSUSE ... past glory, modern DISAPPOINTMENT. >> >> FLUSH ! Thanks. But it's GONE. Not worth the time anymore. Downloading a couple of Solaris derivs, including something called 'Tribblix' with fair reviews. The mirror is SLOW SLOW SLOW alas. Those will keep me occupied next week :-) Solaris was a perfectly decent IX-ish system that kind of got lost in the shuffle. OpenIndiana is the most worthy modern heir. I've fooled with it several years ago and it wasn't bad. May be even better now. 'Tribblix' is pulled from that - but is claimed to have a more sane packaging system and be more desktop friendly. CL installation from the live ver however, something about a "kitchen-sink" install model :-)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 03:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9991nFpegbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87971 |
On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 22:51:11 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Downloading a couple of Solaris derivs, including something called > 'Tribblix' with fair reviews. The mirror is SLOW SLOW SLOW alas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trouble_with_Tribbles I was never into Star Trek and never saw that episode. However I had read Heinlein's 'The Rolling Stones', maybe even in the 'Boy's Life' version, and really wanted a flat cat. That might have something to do with my like for non-flat cats. Heinlein signed off on the Tribbles script though he later regretted it. Heinlein's 'juveniles' got him from the pulps to more serious novels, but I was in the right place at the right time since most were published in the '50s.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 01:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5CWdnWxP9p1eDLL3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87975 |
On 6/14/26 23:15, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 22:51:11 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Downloading a couple of Solaris derivs, including something called >> 'Tribblix' with fair reviews. The mirror is SLOW SLOW SLOW alas. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trouble_with_Tribbles > > I was never into Star Trek and never saw that episode. However I had read > Heinlein's 'The Rolling Stones', maybe even in the 'Boy's Life' version, > and really wanted a flat cat. That might have something to do with my like > for non-flat cats. Heinlein signed off on the Tribbles script though he > later regretted it. > > Heinlein's 'juveniles' got him from the pulps to more serious novels, but > I was in the right place at the right time since most were published in > the '50s. Did, FINALLY, get "Tribblix" to download. I'll test it tomorrow. Alas smells of a One Guy operation. Not so great. Reviews were OK ... but will it be there tomorrow ? Solaris was pretty OK ... and it's heirs too. DID make some use of OpenIndiana a few years ago - though it's biased for HUGE servers. Worth checking back to see what's improved some years later.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 07:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n99n73Frbe7U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87980 |
On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 01:46:23 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Alas smells of a One Guy operation. Not so great. > Reviews were OK ... but will it be there tomorrow ? I got the impression it's Peter Tribble in a garage some where.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 17:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1fWXR.33972$XSac.16787@fx03.iad> |
| In reply to | #87975 |
On 2026-06-15, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 22:51:11 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Downloading a couple of Solaris derivs, including something called >> 'Tribblix' with fair reviews. The mirror is SLOW SLOW SLOW alas. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trouble_with_Tribbles > > I was never into Star Trek and never saw that episode. However I had read > Heinlein's 'The Rolling Stones', maybe even in the 'Boy's Life' version, > and really wanted a flat cat. That might have something to do with my like > for non-flat cats. Heinlein signed off on the Tribbles script though he > later regretted it. Funny you should mention that. I just finished re-reading "The Rolling Stones" yesterday - I've been working through my entire Heinlein collection. The flat cats are indeed cute. "Tribbles", on the other hand, was cute but, uh, fluff. :-) > Heinlein's 'juveniles' got him from the pulps to more serious novels, but > I was in the right place at the right time since most were published in > the '50s. When I started junior high in the '60s, the school library had a decent science fiction section, including a number of Heinlein's juveniles. That's where I got started reading good SF (and learned the difference between good SF and BEM schlock). -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 19:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9b0o4F36vaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87994 |
On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 17:02:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > When I started junior high in the '60s, the school library had a decent > science fiction section, including a number of Heinlein's juveniles. > That's where I got started reading good SF (and learned the difference > between good SF and BEM schlock). We didn't have a designated junior high, only 7th and 8th grades. They did set up so we moved between classrooms to get us used to high school. The high school library was decent. I stumbled across Vonnegut's 'Player Piano' there. Vonnegut's fame came later and I think it might have beena included because of the setting. It was Troy High School and his fictional town was Ilium. The setting was actually closer to Schenectady where he had worked at GE. It hit close to home. I was pointed to a career as some sort of engineer, TBD, and the plot has society divided between engineers and managers on one part of town, and the former workers displaced by automation in another. They worked as 'Reeks and Recks', recreation and reclamation make work projects. When I graduated high school I continued at the local engineering school that was basically across the street from the high school. Graduated, and got a job designing automated molding systems. Yup. Now we've reached the point where the engineers are being automated out of a job. Of course plastics production and other manufacturing jobs were shipped to Bangladesh long ago. Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 20:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <110pkh0$jklg$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87995 |
On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: > Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? Because automation is cheaper? -- “It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.” ― Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-15 22:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9bc6iF54o3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87996 |
On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 20:41:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? > > Because automation is cheaper? That was not the decision taken by many US firms.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-16 02:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <110q786$p0bm$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87997 |
On 15/06/2026 23:21, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 20:41:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 15/06/2026 20:05, rbowman wrote: >>> Why spend money on automation when labor is cheap? >> >> Because automation is cheaper? > > That was not the decision taken by many US firms. One cant account for technologically backward countries -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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