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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2026-04-30 07:50 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-05-05 01:09 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 487 — 21 participants |
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Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 07:50 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-30 12:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-30 17:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 09:53 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-04-30 18:02 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 10:15 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-04-30 22:26 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 13:56 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:41 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 15:54 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 08:32 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 15:20 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 08:12 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-05 15:57 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 09:10 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 18:14 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:41 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 21:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 15:26 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 04:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 08:43 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-06 16:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 21:13 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-06 22:06 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-07 03:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-07 16:37 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 13:06 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-07 18:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-08 19:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-08 21:58 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 03:31 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-09 00:48 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 07:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:46 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:42 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 22:02 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-10 19:31 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 13:55 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 07:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:54 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:30 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:46 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 01:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:42 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-25 12:57 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 08:28 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 17:43 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-26 23:02 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 07:49 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:03 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-27 12:20 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-27 22:53 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 02:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 00:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 23:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:06 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:19 +0000
TV scripts and their computation by machine (was: Re: Wayland Makes Progress) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 09:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-28 15:45 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 09:11 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:05 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-27 18:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 21:36 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-27 18:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 23:53 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 07:37 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:07 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:37 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-10 20:09 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 03:19 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 01:03 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 06:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 11:35 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 20:21 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:10 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 19:42 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 01:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:18 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 15:43 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:27 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:08 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 10:34 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:22 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:13 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 11:20 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 19:48 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 01:43 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:26 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 22:15 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-12 02:57 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:42 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-09 22:04 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:47 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:15 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:26 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 12:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 14:45 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:37 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 23:42 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:31 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:27 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:41 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 20:46 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 21:44 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:09 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-13 19:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:25 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:10 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-13 21:34 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:26 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:43 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 11:54 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 22:33 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-14 23:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 04:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-15 04:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-15 08:01 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:20 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-15 11:21 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-15 02:37 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-15 17:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-17 05:25 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 17:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:27 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:18 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:22 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 20:41 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:21 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:10 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 08:54 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:23 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:16 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 09:51 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-12 19:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 03:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:46 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:09 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 23:46 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:25 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:00 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 20:58 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:27 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:24 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 21:05 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:19 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 15:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:39 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 10:44 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 04:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-12 21:50 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:10 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:22 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:49 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:59 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 04:23 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:14 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 11:23 +0100
Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:34 +0200
Re: Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 20:17 +0000
Re: Peoples [Was: Wayland Makes Progress] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 22:28 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-16 08:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-17 00:02 -0400
Pre-history (was Re: Wayland Makes Progress) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 15:56 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:21 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:43 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 14:19 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 16:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 23:08 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 22:35 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 23:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-15 14:04 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-16 12:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-16 20:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 15:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-13 09:10 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-29 07:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 22:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:31 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:55 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:18 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:51 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 15:50 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-28 07:17 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-12 08:23 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:38 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-09 10:18 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:00 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 20:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:06 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:45 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 15:23 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 03:42 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 01:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-06 17:49 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-06 19:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:59 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 16:55 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-07 21:32 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 12:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-08 18:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-08 13:01 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:41 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 18:04 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 18:40 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-10 16:50 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:46 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 19:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-15 21:23 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 21:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-17 08:01 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-17 03:35 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 10:31 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-17 11:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-17 14:52 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-17 16:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 21:00 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-22 06:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-22 11:04 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-22 22:38 -0400
Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 09:19 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 09:22 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 14:04 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:04 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:43 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 09:27 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:49 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 12:09 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-23 13:26 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 15:22 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:26 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:00 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:01 +0100
Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-23 16:28 +0000
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 17:43 +0100
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 01:06 -0400
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-24 05:36 +0000
Re: Moving sshd to a different port (Was: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress)) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 02:45 -0400
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:44 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:57 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-23 16:53 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 12:20 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 19:46 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:08 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:32 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 10:50 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 21:57 -0400
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-24 08:54 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:33 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 11:26 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:04 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 20:00 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-24 22:23 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-25 08:09 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 07:34 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:18 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:29 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 21:54 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 07:25 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:45 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-25 08:38 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 10:50 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:35 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 10:54 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 13:41 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-26 09:14 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-05-25 18:01 +1000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:54 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:48 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-25 11:04 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-25 13:44 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-26 00:46 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-05-27 12:38 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-27 22:47 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 06:17 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-25 10:35 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:54 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 06:58 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:36 +0200
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-25 04:13 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (was: title without w in "was:"?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 11:29 +0100
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-24 17:04 +0000
Re: Remote and Out of Band Access (as: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 17:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-23 14:47 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:28 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-02 10:25 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 09:43 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-01 15:32 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-01 22:21 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-01 20:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:37 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:40 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-02 09:07 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 12:32 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 12:29 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-02 20:22 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-02 23:27 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-01 23:39 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-03 09:20 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-04-30 14:39 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-01 15:29 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-01 09:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-01 13:36 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-01 22:36 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 12:43 +0200
VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-02 10:53 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 13:14 +0200
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 13:29 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 13:39 +0200
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-02 11:52 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 13:32 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-02 15:09 +0100
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-02 18:29 +0000
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-02 19:15 +0200
Re: VMware (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-02 20:25 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-03 12:34 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-03 13:50 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-03 22:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-04 12:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-04 19:35 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 16:53 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-07 17:39 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-07 20:10 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-08 13:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-08 14:27 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-08 19:05 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 14:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:15 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 16:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:44 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:08 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-08 21:53 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 15:13 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-09 13:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-09 15:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 13:10 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-10 18:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:46 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:57 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 20:07 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-15 09:10 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:04 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 22:49 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:38 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:34 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:30 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 16:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-11 22:38 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:25 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-12 08:02 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 02:24 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:53 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:09 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:06 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 22:54 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:39 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:58 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 22:54 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 15:56 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-13 13:13 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:51 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-16 08:20 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-16 20:24 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 22:30 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:15 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 16:16 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 23:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 02:11 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 19:58 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:53 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:56 +0200
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:44 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:40 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:49 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 08:06 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 10:34 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:47 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-12 12:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-10 13:01 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:21 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 13:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-08 09:23 +1000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-09 10:02 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-09 12:58 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 17:14 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 20:46 +0000
Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-05-09 21:30 +0000
Re: Dump Truck (Was: Wayland Makes Progress) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:58 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:38 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:12 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 16:22 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-09 23:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:02 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-10 17:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:11 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:22 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:51 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 21:14 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 01:14 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:58 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 00:36 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 17:03 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 12:40 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:27 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 17:02 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:00 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 00:57 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-10 17:40 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 22:54 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:12 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-11 15:55 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 09:32 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 17:46 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 21:50 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:12 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:23 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:16 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 21:23 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 01:23 -0400
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 14:29 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 16:41 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:16 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-09 14:35 -0700
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-09 23:52 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-10 01:08 +0100
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-10 13:33 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 23:15 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 23:57 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-07 12:50 +0000
Re: Wayland Makes Progress rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-05 01:09 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 02:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6fhc2Fmo8uU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86407 |
On Mon, 11 May 2026 22:38:07 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>I never liked GNOME and switched to SuSE early on since it was KDE. > > I don't think there ever was a time where you had to switch > distributions to get a different desktop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Linux I repress painful memories but I vaguely recall rpm hell from trying to build a DE other than the default GNOME. gcc 2.96 that couldn't build a kernel and a homegrown Python that broke existing scripts was the last straw. SuSE came in a nice, shrink wrapped box with KDE out of the gate. Sold, American! It wasn't exactly 'sudo rpm -i kde' back then. It only took about 25 years before I took Fedora for a test drive and liked it. The KDE spin, of course. Somewhere along the line I had a box that was configured with GNOMe. I didn't like it and installed KDE. It worked, mostly. Updates were interesting and it was a bit fragile.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 08:02 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10tufp1$ffi2$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #86425 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >On Mon, 11 May 2026 22:38:07 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>I never liked GNOME and switched to SuSE early on since it was KDE. >> >> I don't think there ever was a time where you had to switch >> distributions to get a different desktop. > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Linux > >I repress painful memories but I vaguely recall rpm hell from trying to >build a DE other than the default GNOME. gcc 2.96 that couldn't build a >kernel and a homegrown Python that broke existing scripts was the last >straw. SuSE came in a nice, shrink wrapped box with KDE out of the gate. >Sold, American! It wasn't exactly 'sudo rpm -i kde' back then. So you're saying that early Red Hat didn't offer at least X11/fvwm or WindowMaker as an alternative? I have difficulties believing that. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 02:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <twidnZfZjOksWp_3nZ2dnZfqnPoAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #86456 |
On 5/12/26 02:02, Marc Haber wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On Mon, 11 May 2026 22:38:07 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >> >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> I never liked GNOME and switched to SuSE early on since it was KDE. >>> >>> I don't think there ever was a time where you had to switch >>> distributions to get a different desktop. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Linux >> >> I repress painful memories but I vaguely recall rpm hell from trying to >> build a DE other than the default GNOME. gcc 2.96 that couldn't build a >> kernel and a homegrown Python that broke existing scripts was the last >> straw. SuSE came in a nice, shrink wrapped box with KDE out of the gate. >> Sold, American! It wasn't exactly 'sudo rpm -i kde' back then. > > So you're saying that early Red Hat didn't offer at least X11/fvwm or > WindowMaker as an alternative? I have difficulties believing that. I bought Red Hat when the box was still full of floppies. 'X' was very new and kinda optional. Took me days (and I was young and energetic) to get it to work at all. SUSE came along maybe a year later - made it all MUCH easier. Stuck with it for a LONG time - desktops, my office servers. Latest OpenSUSE ... not as impressed alas. But it DID have its day. Oh, STILL an issue with SUSE ... if a disk can't be found by fstab the whole thing HANGS. Debian tries and then just says "fuck it" and moves on.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 12:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0fdbdmxrvp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86458 |
On 2026-05-12 08:24, c186282 wrote: > Oh, STILL an issue with SUSE ... if a disk can't be > found by fstab the whole thing HANGS. Debian tries > and then just says "fuck it" and moves on. You get the emergency console. You can add "nofail" in fstab, and booting continues silently. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 17:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6h55oFtsviU17@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86458 |
On Tue, 12 May 2026 02:24:40 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Oh, STILL an issue with SUSE ... if a disk can't be found by fstab > the whole thing HANGS. Debian tries and then just says "fuck it" and > moves on. Ubuntu moves on eventually. I made the mistake of putting a NFS share in fstab. With the MiFi the IP addresses tend to change so it not longer existed. 'systemd-analyze blame' showed the culprit for the endless bootup.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 17:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6h500FtsviU16@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86456 |
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:02:07 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > So you're saying that early Red Hat didn't offer at least X11/fvwm or > WindowMaker as an alternative? I have difficulties believing that. iirc you could use fvwm. I think you had to build your own iceWM. No idea about WindowMaker. I suppose you could run anything you could build from tarballs and spend quality time in rpm hell.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 22:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6hpe1F2nluU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86456 |
On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:02:07 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > So you're saying that early Red Hat didn't offer at least X11/fvwm or > WindowMaker as an alternative? I have difficulties believing that. Dipping into 'Red Hst Linux Unleashed' from 1998 which came with a RHL 5.2 CD there are instructions for installing KDE. First, visit the trolls to get the QT stuff and build it. That may or may not have required getting other tarballs the Qt depended on. Then get the KDE base, which included KDE's window manager, the libs, and the support packages and build them. Then get six additional rpms and install with 'rpm -i kde*rpm' "This process will definitely consume more than several hours of your time." Or walk over to BestBuy and get SuSE Linux 8.1 in a box with all the installation media and hardcopy documentation. Your choice. For windows managers you had twm, fvwm, fvwm2, AfterStep, and the default AnotherLevel, which was fvwm2 customized by Red Hat. It says GNOME could use any of them. That would be GNOME 1, I've bad memories of building Sawfish to try to update to GNOME 2. That was before GNOME 2 switched to Metacity. By then I was GNOMEd out. Off to BestBuy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozCoq4osSwk Those were the days my friend, we though they would never end. Thank the Gods they did.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 13:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0g4edmxjji.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86535 |
On 2026-05-13 00:54, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:02:07 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> So you're saying that early Red Hat didn't offer at least X11/fvwm or >> WindowMaker as an alternative? I have difficulties believing that. > > Dipping into 'Red Hst Linux Unleashed' from 1998 which came with a RHL 5.2 > CD there are instructions for installing KDE. First, visit the trolls to > get the QT stuff and build it. That may or may not have required getting > other tarballs the Qt depended on. Then get the KDE base, which included > KDE's window manager, the libs, and the support packages and build them. > Then get six additional rpms and install with 'rpm -i kde*rpm' > > "This process will definitely consume more than several hours of your > time." > > Or walk over to BestBuy and get SuSE Linux 8.1 in a box with all the > installation media and hardcopy documentation. Your choice. > > For windows managers you had twm, fvwm, fvwm2, AfterStep, and the default > AnotherLevel, which was fvwm2 customized by Red Hat. It says GNOME could > use any of them. That would be GNOME 1, I've bad memories of building > Sawfish to try to update to GNOME 2. That was before GNOME 2 switched to > Metacity. By then I was GNOMEd out. Off to BestBuy. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozCoq4osSwk > > Those were the days my friend, we though they would never end. Thank the > Gods they did. > I miss the box with the CDs and good paper books. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 12:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10u1p0r$2jago$19@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86579 |
On 13/05/2026 12:39, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I miss the box with the CDs and good paper books. I dont. the CDS are all on a pair of back to back servers... I still have thousands of books. -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage."
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 16:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6jllqF1e5lU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86585 |
On Wed, 13 May 2026 12:58:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 13/05/2026 12:39, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> I miss the box with the CDs and good paper books. > > I dont. the CDS are all on a pair of back to back servers... > > I still have thousands of books. Yeah... I should cull. The 1998 'Red Hat Linux Unleashed', a 1000 page doorstop, probably could go. https://littlefreelibrary.org/ I tend to stock these with books that still have value. Others are trash bound. There is a handy app that shows the Little Free Library locations and provides directions. Despite the website at least in this area the books aren't particularly aimed at kids.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 22:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n15fdmx7s1.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86585 |
On 2026-05-13 13:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 13/05/2026 12:39, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> I miss the box with the CDs and good paper books. > > I dont. the CDS are all on a pair of back to back servers... > > I still have thousands of books. > So have I. But I miss new ones. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 15:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6jl9iF1e5lU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86579 |
On Wed, 13 May 2026 13:39:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I miss the box with the CDs and good paper books. At the time it may have added a little legitimacy to Linux. Red Hat, SuSe, Mandrake and a few others were on the shelves at BestBuy or Circuit City along with Norton AV, Quicken, and other 'real' software. Even Microsoft C came with excellent printed documentation. Different times.
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| From | Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 13:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1108u7j.btp.boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> |
| In reply to | #86535 |
On 2026-05-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:02:07 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> So you're saying that early Red Hat didn't offer at least X11/fvwm or > > For windows managers you had twm, fvwm, fvwm2, AfterStep, and the default > AnotherLevel, which was fvwm2 customized by Red Hat. It says GNOME could > use any of them. That would be GNOME 1, I've bad memories of building > Sawfish to try to update to GNOME 2. That was before GNOME 2 switched to > Metacity. By then I was GNOMEd out. Off to BestBuy. > Heh, FVWM is still my favourite! AfterStep ranks high. Yes, those were and still are, the days!
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 12:51 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <fadbdmxrvp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #86425 |
On 2026-05-12 04:25, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2026 22:38:07 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> I never liked GNOME and switched to SuSE early on since it was KDE. >> >> I don't think there ever was a time where you had to switch >> distributions to get a different desktop. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Linux > > I repress painful memories but I vaguely recall rpm hell from trying to > build a DE other than the default GNOME. gcc 2.96 that couldn't build a > kernel and a homegrown Python that broke existing scripts was the last > straw. SuSE came in a nice, shrink wrapped box with KDE out of the gate. > Sold, American! It wasn't exactly 'sudo rpm -i kde' back then. > > It only took about 25 years before I took Fedora for a test drive and > liked it. The KDE spin, of course. > > Somewhere along the line I had a box that was configured with GNOMe. I > didn't like it and installed KDE. It worked, mostly. Updates were > interesting and it was a bit fragile. openSUSE, and previously SuSE (the non commercial versions) was always "desktop agnostic". I remember a big row when the installed was made with a default choice, I don't remember if it was Gnome or KDE. Many of us insisted what we wanted the installer to have no default. And we "won". That installer page would simple not progress if you didn't select one, AFAIR. I am proud that to this day in openSUSE the choice is open for the user, and all desktops are more or less equal. Depending on the size of their communities, perhaps. So open that you can have maybe all desktops installed on the same computer, so that different users choose. However, the current commercial version comes with Gnome. If you want KDE, you get it from the community. They have a different goal, minimize the number of choices to reduce cost and complications. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-16 08:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10u99cd$qnkq$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86464 |
On Tue, 12 May 2026 12:51:27 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > openSUSE, and previously SuSE (the non commercial versions) was > always "desktop agnostic". I’m pretty sure KDE was the default in the early days. Possibly the default was removed when they got acquired by a Yanqui company.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-16 20:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6s24jFb573U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86753 |
On Sat, 16 May 2026 08:20:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2026 12:51:27 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> openSUSE, and previously SuSE (the non commercial versions) was always >> "desktop agnostic". > > I’m pretty sure KDE was the default in the early days. Possibly the > default was removed when they got acquired by a Yanqui company. The 8.1 box set had GNOME 1 although I believe the default install was KDE. SuSE started including GNOME around 2000 when it became available. Novell didn't buy SuSE until 2003. Prior to 2000 it was KDE. The thing to remember is the GNOME project was started in answer to KDE because Trolltech's Qt license didn't meet the Stallman sniff test. CDE used Motif and that wasn't free either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Desktop_Environment_1 It's interesting KDE wanted to look like Windows 95 to ease the transition to Linux. GNOME wanted to look like GNOME. Nothing has changed.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-05-11 22:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <a-2dnbNL_spADZ_3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #86392 |
On 5/11/26 12:56, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2026 13:30:58 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote: > >> GNOME to me is a good example of a system which seem to restrict users >> more and more. GNOME 2 and 3 seemed to have less configurability than >> their predecessor. Its been a while since I've used it, but I recall >> having to install an extension, to make configuration changes that with >> GNOME 1 I could do as is. I was a GNOME user and stopped specifically >> for this reason. > > I never liked GNOME and switched to SuSE early on since it was KDE. Ubuntu > tweaks it enough that there is a taskbar, panel, or whatever you want to > call it that I can live with since I pin the stuff I use to it and rarely > have to deal with the dashboard. Just installed a VBox version of GhostBSD ... it uses MATE by default. On the whole MATE isn't bad - but it's not really GNOME of any kind any more. This is good. GNOME3 ... the HORROR !!! It's the main reason I won't use Centos for anything ever again. What WERE they thinking ??? Desktops that look and act a lot like XP are what I'm looking for. Straight-up and simple. LXDE, XFCE and mostly MATE fit the bill.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-12 16:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6h3mqFtsviU10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86426 |
On Mon, 11 May 2026 22:30:44 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Just installed a VBox version of GhostBSD ... it uses MATE by > default. On the whole MATE isn't bad - but it's not really GNOME of > any kind any more. This is good. My first Mint install was the MATE mix. It was okay, better than their version of Xfce but I reinstalled with Cinnamon.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 12:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10u1mgq$2jago$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #86511 |
On 12/05/2026 17:44, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2026 22:30:44 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Just installed a VBox version of GhostBSD ... it uses MATE by >> default. On the whole MATE isn't bad - but it's not really GNOME of >> any kind any more. This is good. > > My first Mint install was the MATE mix. It was okay, better than their > version of Xfce but I reinstalled with Cinnamon. Interesting,. I tried cinnamon but it was too late, I had got too used to the MATE tools. If I were a noob today I would probably go for cinnamon. -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-05-13 16:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n6jmeqF1e5lU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #86573 |
On Wed, 13 May 2026 12:15:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 12/05/2026 17:44, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 11 May 2026 22:30:44 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Just installed a VBox version of GhostBSD ... it uses MATE by >>> default. On the whole MATE isn't bad - but it's not really GNOME >>> of any kind any more. This is good. >> >> My first Mint install was the MATE mix. It was okay, better than their >> version of Xfce but I reinstalled with Cinnamon. > > Interesting,. I tried cinnamon but it was too late, I had got too used > to the MATE tools. > If I were a noob today I would probably go for cinnamon. Part of it was the library project leaned toward Cinnamon for new users, although the Ventoy sticks have all three flavors. LMDE wasn't included since Windows users don't need that many choices and explaining LMDE's place in the world would be difficult.
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