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  "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:03 -0500
    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 03:50 +0000
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 23:24 -0500
        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 05:54 +0000
          Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:23 -0500
            Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 22:08 +0000
              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:08 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 20:49 -0500
                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 03:11 +0000
                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 04:43 +0000
                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:44 +0000
                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:43 +0000
                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-12 08:41 -0500
                        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 14:48 +0000
                          Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 19:43 +0000
                            Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:41 +0000
                            Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 06:37 -0500
                              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 19:03 +0000
                                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 14:15 -0500
                                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 03:25 +0000
                                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2026-01-14 12:32 +0100
                                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 18:32 +0000
                                        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-14 11:10 -0800
                                          Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:42 +0000
                                            Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:43 -0500
                                              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-15 08:03 -0800
                                                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
                                                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-15 11:40 -0800
                                                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 02:05 +0000
                                                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 08:03 -0500
                                                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-16 08:14 -0800
                                              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 19:20 +0000
                                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 11:33 +0000
                                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 19:02 +0000
                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 17:36 -0500
                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:41 +0000
                    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 23:01 -0500
                      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:02 +0000
                        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:16 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:47 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:46 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:46 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-12 07:02 +0100
              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-12 07:36 -0500
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 19:58 +0000
                  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-13 21:39 -0800
        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2026-01-12 13:40 +0000
    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 16:21 +0000
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-11 09:36 -0800
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    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-14 23:18 +0100
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:34 -0500
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#80874 — "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY

Only caught part of the interview with some big-biz
CEO. Said he stopped hiring programmers a couple of
years ago, as soon as CHAT could write code.

The interview may come around again tomorrow
sometime ... if I see it I'll fill in details.

In essence, CHAT and friends now empower the
pointy-haired bosses to just describe what
they want an app to do and the AI makes it so.
No human programmers needed - they're annoying
and stinky and expensive anyway, right ?

Now the real-world QUALITY of AI-generated code
is NOT a for-sure thing. Humans can intuit where
vulnerabilities may be, what Vlad's boyz might
get up to. The AI probably won't ... can't quite
think like a creative malicious human.

Dealing with the idiotic human ERRORS in data
entry and such too ... shit, half of my old DB
code was dedicated to that exact thing. AMAZING
what clueless humans can do. YOU know what it's
suppose to be, THEY don't, not at all.

"-12152012" as a date ... yep ... SEEN it.
Whole paragraphs pasted into 30 byte fields,
SEEN it. There's MORE ... MORE ......

Trust the pointy-haired bosses to specify
code ? Are you MAD ????????

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#80880

On 2026-01-11, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> Only caught part of the interview with some big-biz
> CEO. Said he stopped hiring programmers a couple of
> years ago, as soon as CHAT could write code.
>
> The interview may come around again tomorrow
> sometime ... if I see it I'll fill in details.
>
> In essence, CHAT and friends now empower the
> pointy-haired bosses to just describe what
> they want an app to do and the AI makes it so.
> No human programmers needed - they're annoying
> and stinky and expensive anyway, right ?

Back in my first job in the early '70s I came up with
the image of the ideal programmer: someone who could
read the manager's mind, wave his hands over a deck
of blank cards, and have a set of holes appear in it
that was a binary image that would do exactly what
he wanted (heavy use of the DWIM instruction).

> Now the real-world QUALITY of AI-generated code
> is NOT a for-sure thing. Humans can intuit where
> vulnerabilities may be, what Vlad's boyz might
> get up to. The AI probably won't ... can't quite
> think like a creative malicious human.

I once heard programmers described as a particularly
pessimistic lot; while everyone else was looking for
the beauty in things, programmers insisted on looking
for ways things could go wrong.  But it's kept me in
work for over 50 years...

> Dealing with the idiotic human ERRORS in data
> entry and such too ... shit, half of my old DB
> code was dedicated to that exact thing. AMAZING
> what clueless humans can do. YOU know what it's
> suppose to be, THEY don't, not at all.

At one PPOE we had a manager that I actually admired.
If a user came along with an unreasonable request, he
used a word that wasn't in most manager's vocabulary:
"No."  One thing he had us do was tighten up input
editing to where the data would squeak - which resulted
in our rejecting a hell of a lot of data.  The users
were outraged.  He told them to get stuffed.

> "-12152012" as a date ... yep ... SEEN it.
> Whole paragraphs pasted into 30 byte fields,
> SEEN it. There's MORE ... MORE ......
>
> Trust the pointy-haired bosses to specify
> code ? Are you MAD ????????

My favourite was when a boss insisted that
Boolean data fields must be 3 bytes long;
you need that much to hold "YES" or "NO".

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#80882

On 1/10/26 22:50, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-01-11, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> Only caught part of the interview with some big-biz
>> CEO. Said he stopped hiring programmers a couple of
>> years ago, as soon as CHAT could write code.
>>
>> The interview may come around again tomorrow
>> sometime ... if I see it I'll fill in details.
>>
>> In essence, CHAT and friends now empower the
>> pointy-haired bosses to just describe what
>> they want an app to do and the AI makes it so.
>> No human programmers needed - they're annoying
>> and stinky and expensive anyway, right ?
> 
> Back in my first job in the early '70s I came up with
> the image of the ideal programmer: someone who could
> read the manager's mind, wave his hands over a deck
> of blank cards, and have a set of holes appear in it
> that was a binary image that would do exactly what
> he wanted (heavy use of the DWIM instruction).


   Well, that USED to be ALMOST true :-)

   Those 60s narrow-tie programmers were GOOD !
   Their stuff, a lot of COBOL, is STILL doing
   good work.


>> Now the real-world QUALITY of AI-generated code
>> is NOT a for-sure thing. Humans can intuit where
>> vulnerabilities may be, what Vlad's boyz might
>> get up to. The AI probably won't ... can't quite
>> think like a creative malicious human.
> 
> I once heard programmers described as a particularly
> pessimistic lot; while everyone else was looking for
> the beauty in things, programmers insisted on looking
> for ways things could go wrong.  But it's kept me in
> work for over 50 years...

   GOTTA be 'pessimistic' because, alas, it's REAL.

   Do NOT expect the AIs to think like evil humans
   might think. This will result in a lot of VERY
   vulnerable code. Oh, it will WORK ... but work
   even better for Vlad/Xi/Kim ......

>> Dealing with the idiotic human ERRORS in data
>> entry and such too ... shit, half of my old DB
>> code was dedicated to that exact thing. AMAZING
>> what clueless humans can do. YOU know what it's
>> suppose to be, THEY don't, not at all.
> 
> At one PPOE we had a manager that I actually admired.
> If a user came along with an unreasonable request, he
> used a word that wasn't in most manager's vocabulary:
> "No."  One thing he had us do was tighten up input
> editing to where the data would squeak - which resulted
> in our rejecting a hell of a lot of data.  The users
> were outraged.  He told them to get stuffed.

   He'd be fired immediately these days ...

>> "-12152012" as a date ... yep ... SEEN it.
>> Whole paragraphs pasted into 30 byte fields,
>> SEEN it. There's MORE ... MORE ......
>>
>> Trust the pointy-haired bosses to specify
>> code ? Are you MAD ????????
> 
> My favourite was when a boss insisted that
> Boolean data fields must be 3 bytes long;
> you need that much to hold "YES" or "NO".

   HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

   But yea, no matter HOW good your instructions,
   SOME users WOULD enter "YES" or "NO" ... so
   you HAD to deal with it at some level. As for
   the actual data field, that's lower level. But
   expect all kinds of BS to be entered into the
   UI - and expect 'Si' and 'Non' and such too.

   As said, and TRUE, about HALF the code I wrote
   for DBs was to find/cope with HUMAN errors.

   And even then they sometimes managed to sneak
   something by. Spent TWO DAYS hand-fixing some
   older DB info because the users had managed to
   sneak in some nonsense. They don't Get It, they
   are In A Hurry, they WON'T learn it. This is
   the reality.

   And if you make the code TOO anal they'll all
   SCREAM ... so the code has to quietly fix like
   90% of typical errors.

   Dealing with humans is like trying to herd cats.

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#80884

On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 23:24:22 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    Dealing with humans is like trying to herd cats.

I find I prefer the company of cats. 

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#80887

On 1/11/26 00:54, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 23:24:22 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Dealing with humans is like trying to herd cats.
> 
> I find I prefer the company of cats.

   I like cats ... they don't suck up.

   Dogs are like 2-year-old humans - and demand
   CONSTANT attention.

   In any case, the subject was "governments" ... and
   a note that 'herding humans' is incredibly difficult.
   While we may WANT "kinder and gentler", maybe it's
   not always POSSIBLE. Humans easily, quickly, trend
   towards anarchy.

   Unfortunately un-coordinated human pops can't DO
   much ... too busy with trivial issues.

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#80946

On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 01:23:56 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    In any case, the subject was "governments" ... and a note that
>    'herding humans' is incredibly difficult.
>    While we may WANT "kinder and gentler", maybe it's not always
>    POSSIBLE. Humans easily, quickly, trend towards anarchy.

I naturally lean toward anarchism/libertarianism. However after observing 
the circus for all these years I also see the place for authoritarian 
governments lest humanity sinks to the lowest common denominator. If it 
hasn't already. The gene pool needs a few tons of chlorine.

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#80953

On 2026-01-11, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 01:23:56 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>
>>    In any case, the subject was "governments" ... and a note that
>>    'herding humans' is incredibly difficult.
>>    While we may WANT "kinder and gentler", maybe it's not always
>>    POSSIBLE. Humans easily, quickly, trend towards anarchy.
>
> I naturally lean toward anarchism/libertarianism. However after observing 
> the circus for all these years I also see the place for authoritarian 
> governments lest humanity sinks to the lowest common denominator. If it 
> hasn't already. The gene pool needs a few tons of chlorine.

There is a minimum level of intelligence and social responsibility
that is required in order for democracy to work.  We're currently
getting a graphic example of what happens when these factors fall
below the critical level.

    "This town needs an enema!"  -- The Joker

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#80957

On 1/11/26 18:08, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-01-11, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 01:23:56 -0500, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     In any case, the subject was "governments" ... and a note that
>>>     'herding humans' is incredibly difficult.
>>>     While we may WANT "kinder and gentler", maybe it's not always
>>>     POSSIBLE. Humans easily, quickly, trend towards anarchy.
>>
>> I naturally lean toward anarchism/libertarianism. However after observing
>> the circus for all these years I also see the place for authoritarian
>> governments lest humanity sinks to the lowest common denominator. If it
>> hasn't already. The gene pool needs a few tons of chlorine.
> 
> There is a minimum level of intelligence and social responsibility
> that is required in order for democracy to work.  We're currently
> getting a graphic example of what happens when these factors fall
> below the critical level.

   Unfiltered knowledge - knowing what's going on - is
   also required. That's become almost impossible to
   acquire, it's all contaminated by ideological extremists.

   I go through over a dozen international news/related
   sites every day. What little they all agree on is most
   likely to be the Truth. The 'spin' has become horrific
   alas.

   I don't know if 'western civ' can continue much longer
   in this environment. Totalitarian/authoritarian states
   however CAN.

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#80960

On 2026-01-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 1/11/26 18:08, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> There is a minimum level of intelligence and social responsibility
>> that is required in order for democracy to work.  We're currently
>> getting a graphic example of what happens when these factors fall
>> below the critical level.
>
>    Unfiltered knowledge - knowing what's going on - is
>    also required. That's become almost impossible to
>    acquire, it's all contaminated by ideological extremists.

Worse, many people don't want to know what's going on.
They just want to know what button to push to make the magic happen.

>    I go through over a dozen international news/related
>    sites every day. What little they all agree on is most
>    likely to be the Truth. The 'spin' has become horrific
>    alas.

Whenever I search for information, regardless of topic,
I scan many sources, then try to form a gestalt in my mind.
This helps compensate for contaminated sources; the truth
usually lies between the extremes.

>    I don't know if 'western civ' can continue much longer
>    in this environment. Totalitarian/authoritarian states
>    however CAN.

And it will be welcomed by the masses.  My wife is currently
watching a TV documentary on the rise of Adolf Hitler.
The resemblance to today's situation is frightening.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#80963

On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 03:11:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> And it will be welcomed by the masses.  My wife is currently watching a
> TV documentary on the rise of Adolf Hitler.
> The resemblance to today's situation is frightening.

The crowds in 'Triumph des Willens' weren't hired extras as has been 
alleged for some US political 'rallies'. There is a definite resemblance. 
The KPD was the largest communist party in Europe outside of the Soviet 
Union. The original Antifa was a KPD creation. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

The lessons of the 1919 Hungarian Soviet Republic and the ensuing Red 
Terror were fresh. Then there was the utter decadence of Berlin and the 
Weimar Republic in general.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2847643/Berlin-liberal-hotbed-
homosexuality-mecca-cross-dressers-transsexuals-male-female-surgery-
performed-Nazis-came-power-new-book-reveals.html

The 'German' Hirschfeld was a true leader along with his henchmen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kronfeld
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Levy-Lenz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Schapiro

The payback was a bitch.

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#80980

On 12/01/2026 04:43, rbowman wrote:
> The payback was a bitch.

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.
A lesson that has deep resonance today.


-- 
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have 
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

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#80979

On 12/01/2026 03:11, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> My wife is currently
> watching a TV documentary on the rise of Adolf Hitler.
> The resemblance to today's situation is frightening.

Yes. watch the Nazi propaganda film. 'Triumph of the will' .

And remember they didn't have AI then.

-- 
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

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#80986

The Natural Philosopher wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:

> On 12/01/2026 03:11, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> My wife is currently
>> watching a TV documentary on the rise of Adolf Hitler.
>> The resemblance to today's situation is frightening.
>
> Yes. watch the Nazi propaganda film. 'Triumph of the will' .
>
> And remember they didn't have AI then.

They didn't have DEVO then, either.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07S_fdJfYPM>

    Triumph of the Will

-- 
	A farm in the country side had several turkeys, it was known as the
house of seven gobbles.

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#80988

On 12/01/2026 13:41, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
> 
>> On 12/01/2026 03:11, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> My wife is currently
>>> watching a TV documentary on the rise of Adolf Hitler.
>>> The resemblance to today's situation is frightening.
>>
>> Yes. watch the Nazi propaganda film. 'Triumph of the will' .
>>
>> And remember they didn't have AI then.
> 
> They didn't have DEVO then, either.
> 
>      <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07S_fdJfYPM>
> 
>      Triumph of the Will
> 
Video unavailable
This video is not available
-- 
    "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have 
forgotten your aim."

  George Santayana

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#81005

On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 14:48:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 12/01/2026 13:41, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
>> 
>>> On 12/01/2026 03:11, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> My wife is currently watching a TV documentary on the rise of Adolf
>>>> Hitler.
>>>> The resemblance to today's situation is frightening.
>>>
>>> Yes. watch the Nazi propaganda film. 'Triumph of the will' .
>>>
>>> And remember they didn't have AI then.
>> 
>> They didn't have DEVO then, either.
>> 
>>      <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07S_fdJfYPM>
>> 
>>      Triumph of the Will
>> 
> Video unavailable This video is not available

Consider yourself lucky. Besides tires Chrissie Hynde was the only good 
thing to come out of Akron.

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#81015

On 12/01/2026 19:43, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 14:48:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 12/01/2026 13:41, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
>>>
>>>> On 12/01/2026 03:11, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>> My wife is currently watching a TV documentary on the rise of Adolf
>>>>> Hitler.
>>>>> The resemblance to today's situation is frightening.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. watch the Nazi propaganda film. 'Triumph of the will' .
>>>>
>>>> And remember they didn't have AI then.
>>>
>>> They didn't have DEVO then, either.
>>>
>>>       <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07S_fdJfYPM>
>>>
>>>       Triumph of the Will
>>>
>> Video unavailable This video is not available
> 
> Consider yourself lucky. Besides tires Chrissie Hynde was the only good
> thing to come out of Akron.

ah. yes. Devo. Highly forgettable

-- 
“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established 
authorities are wrong.”

― Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV

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#81070

rbowman wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:

> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 14:48:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 12/01/2026 13:41, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
>>> 
>>>> On 12/01/2026 03:11, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>> My wife is currently watching a TV documentary on the rise of Adolf
>>>>> Hitler.
>>>>> The resemblance to today's situation is frightening.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. watch the Nazi propaganda film. 'Triumph of the will' .
>>>>
>>>> And remember they didn't have AI then.
>>> 
>>> They didn't have DEVO then, either.
>>> 
>>>      <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07S_fdJfYPM>
>>> 
>>>      Triumph of the Will
>>> 
>> Video unavailable This video is not available

Might be your country of location?

> Consider yourself lucky. Besides tires Chrissie Hynde was the only good 
> thing to come out of Akron.

Heh, I like a *lot* of DEVO tunes. Often mordant and funny at the
same time. And often very good melodies.

Their tune "Beautiful World" seems quite applicable to today's
unpleasantness.

-- 
"There are three principal ways to lose money: wine, women, and engineers.
While the first two are more pleasant, the third is by far the more certain."
		-- Baron Rothschild, ca. 1800

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#81087

On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 06:37:16 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Heh, I like a *lot* of DEVO tunes. Often mordant and funny at the same
> time. And often very good melodies.

I rank them somewhere south of ABBA and the Spice Girls.

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#81089

rbowman wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 06:37:16 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Heh, I like a *lot* of DEVO tunes. Often mordant and funny at the same
>> time. And often very good melodies.
>
> I rank them somewhere south of ABBA and the Spice Girls.

Completely different types of music from DEVO.

A friend of mine recently said he didn't know anyone who had as
eclectic a taste in music as I.

Then he asked what I thought of the Grateful Dead. I had to
confess I never paid much attention to 'em.

I like great lyrics, melodies, sound effects, variety.
Doesn't matter who's the artist or what's the genre.

-- 
Wish and hope succeed in discerning signs of paranormality where reason and
careful scientific procedure fail.
		-- James E. Alcock, The Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. 12

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#81101

On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 14:15:49 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Then he asked what I thought of the Grateful Dead. I had to confess I
> never paid much attention to 'em.

'Workingman's Dead' and 'American Beauty' were good. The long, going 
nowhere, jams the Dead were famous for sucked. History of the Grateful 
Dead, Volume One (Bear's Choice) was pretty good.

Bob Weir  RIP


I'm somewhat eclectic but in general I stick to Americana or other folk 
derived genres like Irish rebel songs or Nordic Revival. Philip Glass, 
Tangerine Dream, John Cage, and so forth is best played at very high 
volumes 24/7 for the edification of ICE detainees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3cVwe4s-H4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1RIoalqKgw

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