Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY

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From	Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Subject	Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY
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Date	2026-01-11 03:50 +0000

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On 2026-01-11, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> Only caught part of the interview with some big-biz
> CEO. Said he stopped hiring programmers a couple of
> years ago, as soon as CHAT could write code.
>
> The interview may come around again tomorrow
> sometime ... if I see it I'll fill in details.
>
> In essence, CHAT and friends now empower the
> pointy-haired bosses to just describe what
> they want an app to do and the AI makes it so.
> No human programmers needed - they're annoying
> and stinky and expensive anyway, right ?

Back in my first job in the early '70s I came up with
the image of the ideal programmer: someone who could
read the manager's mind, wave his hands over a deck
of blank cards, and have a set of holes appear in it
that was a binary image that would do exactly what
he wanted (heavy use of the DWIM instruction).

> Now the real-world QUALITY of AI-generated code
> is NOT a for-sure thing. Humans can intuit where
> vulnerabilities may be, what Vlad's boyz might
> get up to. The AI probably won't ... can't quite
> think like a creative malicious human.

I once heard programmers described as a particularly
pessimistic lot; while everyone else was looking for
the beauty in things, programmers insisted on looking
for ways things could go wrong.  But it's kept me in
work for over 50 years...

> Dealing with the idiotic human ERRORS in data
> entry and such too ... shit, half of my old DB
> code was dedicated to that exact thing. AMAZING
> what clueless humans can do. YOU know what it's
> suppose to be, THEY don't, not at all.

At one PPOE we had a manager that I actually admired.
If a user came along with an unreasonable request, he
used a word that wasn't in most manager's vocabulary:
"No."  One thing he had us do was tighten up input
editing to where the data would squeak - which resulted
in our rejecting a hell of a lot of data.  The users
were outraged.  He told them to get stuffed.

> "-12152012" as a date ... yep ... SEEN it.
> Whole paragraphs pasted into 30 byte fields,
> SEEN it. There's MORE ... MORE ......
>
> Trust the pointy-haired bosses to specify
> code ? Are you MAD ????????

My favourite was when a boss insisted that
Boolean data fields must be 3 bytes long;
you need that much to hold "YES" or "NO".

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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"Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:03 -0500
  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 03:50 +0000
    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 23:24 -0500
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 05:54 +0000
        Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:23 -0500
          Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 22:08 +0000
            Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:08 +0000
              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 20:49 -0500
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 03:11 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 04:43 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:44 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:43 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-12 08:41 -0500
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 14:48 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 19:43 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:41 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 06:37 -0500
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 19:03 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 14:15 -0500
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 03:25 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2026-01-14 12:32 +0100
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 18:32 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-14 11:10 -0800
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 03:42 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-15 00:43 -0500
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-15 08:03 -0800
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-15 18:58 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-15 11:40 -0800
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-16 02:05 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-16 08:03 -0500
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-16 08:14 -0800
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-15 19:20 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-14 11:33 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 19:02 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 17:36 -0500
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:41 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 23:01 -0500
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:02 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:16 +0000
              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:47 +0000
              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:46 +0000
              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 23:46 +0000
              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-12 07:02 +0100
            Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-12 07:36 -0500
              Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 19:58 +0000
                Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-13 21:39 -0800
      Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
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  Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 16:21 +0000
    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-11 09:36 -0800
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    Re: "Bloomberg Financial" Interview - "Programmers" GOING AWAY c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-14 17:34 -0500
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