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| Started by | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-12-23 22:51 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-12-29 13:29 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 195 — 22 participants |
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Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-23 22:51 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 06:27 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 13:24 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-24 19:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 02:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 21:35 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 09:06 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-26 18:38 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-26 11:53 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-26 23:15 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:49 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:52 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-01-06 23:09 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 15:25 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-26 20:49 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 03:56 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-26 20:37 -0800
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 05:59 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 08:51 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:13 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:01 +0000
X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 10:43 +0000
Re: X11 forks (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:35 +0000
Re: X11 forks Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-12-29 18:14 +1000
Re: X11 forks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 03:28 -0500
Re: X11 forks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-30 07:30 +1000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:33 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 08:47 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 14:46 +0100
Wayland hardware requirements (was: Re: X11 forks) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:25 +0000
Re: Wayland hardware requirements The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:12 +0000
Re: Wayland hardware requirements not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-01-01 07:31 +1000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:19 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 11:50 +0100
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:09 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:48 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:59 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 02:51 +0100
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 02:33 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 06:01 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 03:10 +0000
Re: X11 forks Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-01 04:04 -0600
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:10 +0000
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:28 +0100
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 14:00 +0000
Re: X11 forks Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:12 +0000
Re: X11 forks vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-02 04:15 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:54 +0000
Re: X11 forks John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-12-31 14:28 -0500
Re: X11 forks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:43 +0100
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 20:00 +0000
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:58 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 02:56 +0000
Re: X11 forks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:45 +0000
Re: X11 forks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 02:20 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 09:48 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 06:22 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:55 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:50 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 18:20 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 22:33 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:40 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 00:50 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:55 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 23:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-27 13:29 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 11:53 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 21:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:54 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:52 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:11 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 01:05 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 08:59 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-27 04:42 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:11 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:05 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:34 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 12:58 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:56 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 12:57 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 22:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-28 14:33 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 12:40 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 21:00 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:17 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:56 +0000
Service startup errors Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-29 00:16 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 02:08 +0000
Re: Service startup errors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:15 +0100
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:39 +0000
Re: Service startup errors "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 12:59 +0100
Re: Service startup errors c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:47 -0500
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:53 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:12 +0000
Re: Service startup errors vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-12-31 04:40 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 08:24 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-01 04:29 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 04:38 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-01 04:58 +0000
Re: Service startup errors The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:13 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:13 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:53 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 09:59 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 21:04 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 02:31 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:49 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
Re: Service startup errors rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:41 +0000
Re: Service startup errors Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:13 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:16 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:49 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:00 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:04 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:14 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:43 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:09 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 23:24 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:12 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 23:27 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 22:29 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-31 11:59 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 22:45 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 03:26 +0000
How distros can get choosen by chance (was: Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 10:51 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-12-25 13:27 -0500
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 18:40 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-25 12:34 -0800
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:11 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-25 14:55 -0800
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:28 +0100
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-25 21:05 +0000
Re: How distros can get choosen by chance rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-25 22:22 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-24 21:37 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-25 11:46 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-25 11:59 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 07:04 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 02:27 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-25 23:07 -0600
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:56 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:51 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:02 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 21:46 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-28 16:24 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-28 17:31 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 12:53 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:16 +0000
Linux GUIs Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-29 00:10 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 02:09 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:50 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:16 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 05:23 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:09 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-29 14:29 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:25 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 01:04 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 02:53 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-30 07:32 +1000
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 01:07 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 09:01 -0800
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:58 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 02:47 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-30 13:02 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-29 06:43 -0800
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:09 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:29 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:57 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 22:13 -0500
Re: Linux GUIs "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:11 +0100
Re: Linux GUIs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:21 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 15:56 +0000
Re: Linux GUIs Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:37 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:57 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:35 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:08 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:32 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 22:07 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 02:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 22:08 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-28 20:56 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 20:43 -0500
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 03:23 +0100
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:16 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 03:15 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:21 +0000
Re: Lubuntu vs. Xubuntu: Which Ubuntu flavor is right for you - my expert advice c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 05:26 -0500
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 12:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <pv6a2mxku8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80004 |
On 2025-12-29 04:21, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 14:05:20 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> openSUSE had also YaST for managing packages visually. Now it has been >> deprecated, and replaced with "Myrlyn", I have no idea why. > > Because... Considering Yast was one of the major selling points for SuSE, > let's do something different. I wonder if zypper still works? Maybe > they'll do like Fedora where /usr/bin/yum and /usr/bin/dnf are symlinks to > dnf5. Sure, zypper still works. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-26 22:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <gpWcnan0rp9xxdL0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #79880 |
On 12/26/25 15:49, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 09:06:54 -0800, John Ames wrote: >>> AFAIK aren't all these DE-flavored "spin" sub-distros connecting to the >>> same repository? Is it not possible to just swap out the default DE for >>> your environment of choice? I never did see the point of doing it that >>> way, but even if you're stuck with this or that "flavor" for $REASONS it >>> should be easy enough to switch off of the part you hate, unless I'm >>> greatly mistaken. > > My thoughts exactly. > > On 2025-12-26, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> Theoretically. At one point I installed a GNOME distro, didn't like it, >> and added KDE. It worked, mostly, but had some occasional problems when >> updating. More recently I installed Linux Mint MATE on one laptop and >> added Xfce. It seemed to work although I didn't use either DE heavily. I >> reinstalled LM Cinnamon when I switched to a SSD. >> >> I have added sway to two KDE boxes and i3 to the LM box. That seems to >> work although at one point the system got confused when I called MATE GUIs >> from i3. Like my earlier GNOME/KDE experience I think you have to limit >> mixing and matching for the best experience. I never tried it but from >> some forum posts adding a DE and trying to uninstall the original DE >> doesn't work well. >> >> With EndeavourOS if you choose the offline installation you get KDE but if >> you select online you select the DE during the installation. I think that >> makes more sense than having separate isos for each flavor like Mint, >> spins like Fedora, or K, X, L, etc Ubuntus that give the impression >> they're different projects. > > I think your experiences described above kinda validate Fedora's > approach to "spins". I.e. the main project takes responsibility for > several flavors without the heavy rebranding. The difficulty that > appears only when upgrading are issues in the packaging scripts. > > The BIG differences between distributions are > - initd vs systemd > - RPM vs apt > > And the next important difference seems to be GNOME vs KDE. > The rest is things that should be runtime-settable options. > And "cinnamon-mint" and the like should be packaged as an > add-on package of theme scripts MX offers both initd AND systemd startup options in the GRUB menu. The default is initd. There's a GRUB customizer app. With it you can very easily set the systemd option as the default. Have systemd on a couple of boxes, not so on a couple of boxes. I do like the systemd 'auto watchdog' options and being able to wait for certain functional blocks like 'networking' to come up before starting yer app can be useful sometimes. Some people LOVE systemd, some HATE it. I'm kind of agnostic at this point. If I decidedly do not need it then why waste the space/CPU ?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-27 12:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10iol4e$3f97e$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79893 |
On 27/12/2025 03:56, c186282 wrote:
> Some people LOVE systemd, some HATE it. I'm kind of
> agnostic at this point. If I decidedly do not need
> it then why waste the space/CPU ?
Its one of those marginal advances that probably needed to happen,
except they gave it to a compSci to implement and he just couldn't
resist the temptation to change everything.
--
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."
- Leo Tolstoy
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-27 22:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mrb52sFeoclU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79912 |
On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 12:57:50 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 27/12/2025 03:56, c186282 wrote: >> Some people LOVE systemd, some HATE it. I'm kind of >> agnostic at this point. If I decidedly do not need it then why >> waste the space/CPU ? > > Its one of those marginal advances that probably needed to happen, > except they gave it to a compSci to implement and he just couldn't > resist the temptation to change everything. Considering most distros switched to systemd about 10 years ago I've forgotten more about runlevels, telinit, and so forth than many Linux users ever knew and have little desire to revisit the subject.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 14:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10l2ftn.20i38.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #79893 |
On 2025-12-27, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > There's a GRUB customizer app. With it you can very > easily set the systemd option as the default. Have > systemd on a couple of boxes, not so on a couple of > boxes. I do like the systemd 'auto watchdog' options > and being able to wait for certain functional blocks > like 'networking' to come up before starting yer app > can be useful sometimes. > > Some people LOVE systemd, some HATE it. I'm kind of > agnostic at this point. If I decidedly do not need > it then why waste the space/CPU ? In the tangle of references, I got lost. In what distribution can you switch between initd and systemd at GRUB time? And is the watchdog feature of systemd a selectable option? Per service? How do you turn it on? My Fedora system is quite stable, but sometimes library updates are a bit out of sync, causing (for example, most recently) the DHCP daemon to fail on a "systemctl daemon-reload" at the end. It gets fixed when I type "systemctl restart dhcpd", but it would be nice if it could do that by itself, rather than waiting for me to figure out that the reason half my SONOS speakers have gone offline is because DHCP is confused. (My WiFi AP seems to take over when the server's DHCPD fails, leading possibly to IP address conflicts.) It only happens a couple of times a year, so it is a minor nuisance, but how will my wife figure it out when I am dead? Maybe this particular problem is best addressed by reducing the frequency of (cronjob scheduled) "dnf update -y" from nightly to just Saturday mornings ... -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 12:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6UKdnQZ3Rro19sz0nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #79963 |
On 12/28/25 09:33, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 2025-12-27, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> There's a GRUB customizer app. With it you can very >> easily set the systemd option as the default. Have >> systemd on a couple of boxes, not so on a couple of >> boxes. I do like the systemd 'auto watchdog' options >> and being able to wait for certain functional blocks >> like 'networking' to come up before starting yer app >> can be useful sometimes. >> >> Some people LOVE systemd, some HATE it. I'm kind of >> agnostic at this point. If I decidedly do not need >> it then why waste the space/CPU ? > > In the tangle of references, I got lost. In what distribution can you > switch between initd and systemd at GRUB time? MX Linux. Defaults to init.d, but on the alt menu includes a systemd option. Grub Customizer makes it really easy to set that one as default if you want, > And is the watchdog feature of systemd a selectable option? > Per service? How do you turn it on? The 'watchdog' stuff is built in. What do do, when to do it, how often to do it. Try : https://www.tecmint.com/automatically-restart-service-linux/ > My Fedora system is quite stable, but sometimes library updates > are a bit out of sync, causing (for example, most recently) the > DHCP daemon to fail on a "systemctl daemon-reload" at the end. > It gets fixed when I type "systemctl restart dhcpd", but it > would be nice if it could do that by itself, rather than waiting > for me to figure out that the reason half my SONOS speakers > have gone offline is because DHCP is confused. (My WiFi AP > seems to take over when the server's DHCPD fails, leading > possibly to IP address conflicts.) It only happens a couple > of times a year, so it is a minor nuisance, but how will my wife figure > it out when I am dead? > > Maybe this particular problem is best addressed by reducing > the frequency of (cronjob scheduled) "dnf update -y" from > nightly to just Saturday mornings ... Well, maybe. I often give 'em a few days between seeing there are updates and actually installing them. Gives 'em time to find defective ones.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 20:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10is2us$gfs0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79963 |
On 28/12/2025 14:33, Lars Poulsen wrote: > And is the watchdog feature of systemd a selectable option? > Per service? How do you turn it on? IIRC it is an option in the systemd startup file. -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 21:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10is5pn$h12h$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79963 |
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 14:33:27 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: > My Fedora system is quite stable, but sometimes library updates are > a bit out of sync, causing (for example, most recently) the DHCP > daemon to fail on a "systemctl daemon-reload" at the end. It gets > fixed when I type "systemctl restart dhcpd", but it would be nice if > it could do that by itself, rather than waiting for me to figure out > that the reason half my SONOS speakers have gone offline is because > DHCP is confused. My guess is, some bug in the service dependencies. This can manifest in timing-related problems where a service will (re)start correctly on one occasion, but fail on another because something else it needs (but didn’t properly say it needs) isn’t quite ready yet. The error messages should give some hints: mention of errors trying to connect to some other process (e.g. MySQL/MariaDB, in a case that happened to me) would be helpful.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 22:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <7cj82mxbaa.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79975 |
On 2025-12-28 22:00, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 14:33:27 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
>
>> My Fedora system is quite stable, but sometimes library updates are
>> a bit out of sync, causing (for example, most recently) the DHCP
>> daemon to fail on a "systemctl daemon-reload" at the end. It gets
>> fixed when I type "systemctl restart dhcpd", but it would be nice if
>> it could do that by itself, rather than waiting for me to figure out
>> that the reason half my SONOS speakers have gone offline is because
>> DHCP is confused.
>
> My guess is, some bug in the service dependencies. This can manifest
> in timing-related problems where a service will (re)start correctly on
> one occasion, but fail on another because something else it needs (but
> didn’t properly say it needs) isn’t quite ready yet.
>
> The error messages should give some hints: mention of errors trying to
> connect to some other process (e.g. MySQL/MariaDB, in a case that
> happened to me) would be helpful.
This happened to me recently:
Telcontar:~ # systemctl status smb
× smb.service - Samba SMB Daemon
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/smb.service; enabled; preset: disabled)
Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2025-12-17 23:09:54 CET; 19h ago
Docs: man:smbd(8)
man:samba(7)
man:smb.conf(5)
Process: 2479 ExecStartPre=/usr/share/samba/update-apparmor-samba-profile (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
CPU: 77ms
Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Starting Samba SMB Daemon...
Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2479]: generating profile sniplet failed
Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Failed to start Samba SMB Daemon.
Telcontar:~ #
I was baffled. I asked ChatGPT:
It told me to run
testparm
sudo /usr/share/samba/update-apparmor-samba-profile
The first one said:
Telcontar:~ # testparm
Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
lpcfg_do_global_parameter: WARNING: The "domain logons" option is deprecated
Loaded services file OK.
Weak crypto is allowed by GnuTLS (e.g. NTLM as a compatibility fallback)
ERROR: both 'wins support = true' and 'wins server = <server list>' cannot be set in the smb.conf file. nmbd will abort with this setting.
Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE
Press enter to see a dump of your service definitions
[...]
So chatgpt told me that in here:
wins server = 192.168.6.16
wins support = No
I should remove the second line. It also advised to remove
domain logons = Yes
It later said:
Why the AppArmor message was misleading
The failure message:
generating profile sniplet failed
is not an AppArmor bug — it’s a configuration validation failure caused by Samba rejecting the config.
This is a known pain point on openSUSE.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 22:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10iscj0$jd63$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79977 |
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 22:17:27 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > This happened to me recently: > > Telcontar:~ # systemctl status smb > × smb.service - Samba SMB Daemon > Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/smb.service; enabled; preset: disabled) > Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2025-12-17 23:09:54 CET; 19h ago > Docs: man:smbd(8) > man:samba(7) > man:smb.conf(5) > Process: 2479 ExecStartPre=/usr/share/samba/update-apparmor-samba-profile (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) > CPU: 77ms > > Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Starting Samba SMB Daemon... > Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar update-apparmor-samba-profile[2479]: generating profile sniplet failed > Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE > Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: smb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. > Dec 17 23:09:54 Telcontar systemd[1]: Failed to start Samba SMB Daemon. > Telcontar:~ # > > I was baffled. I asked ChatGPT: Or you could have looked further into the log with journalctl, and seen the appropriate message there.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 00:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <slrn10l3i3g.22k9d.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> |
| In reply to | #79981 |
On 2025-12-28, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > Or you could have looked further into the log with journalctl, and > seen the appropriate message there. Not so simple. The journal from a system startup is about 4000 lines. Good luck finding something useful if you doni't know what to search for. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 02:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <10isnr8$mfgd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79983 |
On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 00:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2025-12-28, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Or you could have looked further into the log with journalctl, and
>> seen the appropriate message there.
>
> Not so simple. The journal from a system startup is about 4000
> lines. Good luck finding something useful if you doni't know what to
> search for.
journalctl -b _SYSTEMD_UNIT=«problem-service»
to start with. I.e. look for error messages specifically relevant to
the service that has trouble starting.
Remember I’ve been there, done that.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 03:15 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <iq492mx25a.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79986 |
On 2025-12-29 03:08, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 00:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: > >> On 2025-12-28, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> Or you could have looked further into the log with journalctl, and >>> seen the appropriate message there. >> >> Not so simple. The journal from a system startup is about 4000 >> lines. Good luck finding something useful if you doni't know what to >> search for. > > journalctl -b _SYSTEMD_UNIT=«problem-service» > > to start with. I.e. look for error messages specifically relevant to > the service that has trouble starting. > > Remember I’ve been there, done that. So did I. Telcontar:~ # journalctl -b 1 _SYSTEMD_UNIT=smb.service _SYSTEMD_UNIT=nmb.service -- No entries -- Telcontar:~ # -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 03:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <10ist5u$nn3s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79989 |
On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 03:15:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-29 03:08, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 00:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: >> >>> On 2025-12-28, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>> Or you could have looked further into the log with journalctl, >>>> and seen the appropriate message there. >>> >>> Not so simple. The journal from a system startup is about 4000 >>> lines. Good luck finding something useful if you doni't know what >>> to search for. >> >> journalctl -b _SYSTEMD_UNIT=«problem-service» >> >> to start with. I.e. look for error messages specifically relevant >> to the service that has trouble starting. >> >> Remember I’ve been there, done that. > > So did I. > > Telcontar:~ # journalctl -b 1 _SYSTEMD_UNIT=smb.service _SYSTEMD_UNIT=nmb.service > -- No entries -- > Telcontar:~ # Which boot instance is that “-b 1” supposed to correspond to?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-29 12:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <n27a2mxku8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #80006 |
On 2025-12-29 04:39, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 03:15:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-12-29 03:08, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2025 00:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-12-28, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Or you could have looked further into the log with journalctl, >>>>> and seen the appropriate message there. >>>> >>>> Not so simple. The journal from a system startup is about 4000 >>>> lines. Good luck finding something useful if you doni't know what >>>> to search for. >>> >>> journalctl -b _SYSTEMD_UNIT=«problem-service» >>> >>> to start with. I.e. look for error messages specifically relevant >>> to the service that has trouble starting. >>> >>> Remember I’ve been there, done that. >> >> So did I. >> >> Telcontar:~ # journalctl -b 1 _SYSTEMD_UNIT=smb.service _SYSTEMD_UNIT=nmb.service >> -- No entries -- >> Telcontar:~ # > > Which boot instance is that “-b 1” supposed to correspond to? The last one where the problem was happening and the one where I bothered to investigate. The problem was solved on that boot, thanks to ChatGPT who nailed it. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-28 21:47 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <cp-dnUmP6vBedsz0nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #79983 |
On 12/28/25 19:16, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 2025-12-28, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> Or you could have looked further into the log with journalctl, and >> seen the appropriate message there. > > Not so simple. The journal from a system startup is about 4000 lines. > Good luck finding something useful if you doni't know what to search for. And therein lies a problem ... "we make a log" is not REALLY good enough. Read any REAL system/error logs and while there is a lot of volume it is oft almost impossible to tell what actually happened or why. Too cryptic, too hard to tell "significant" from "crap". Of course Winders error messages ... "Sorry, there was an problem" ... is still MUCH worse. If you ever had an early Amiga then you'd remember all the "Guru Meditation" messages - MAYbe even worse than the Winders stuff :-) Developers seem to pref "terse" logs which, maybe, THEY can follow - but to hell with everyone else.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 18:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <8dV4R.92219$4H_9.80362@fx37.iad> |
| In reply to | #79997 |
On 2025-12-29, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Of course Winders error messages ... "Sorry, there > was an problem" ... is still MUCH worse. Unfortunately that disease is spreading to developers of other products. > If you ever had an early Amiga then you'd remember > all the "Guru Meditation" messages - MAYbe even > worse than the Winders stuff :-) I wouldn't go that far. A Guru Meditation message at least gave you a pointer and an interrupt code. > Developers seem to pref "terse" logs which, maybe, > THEY can follow - but to hell with everyone else. But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list of what the error codes mean. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 03:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <mrjiktFqvk0U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80123 |
On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
> "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list
> of what the error codes mean.
https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 04:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <10j29ft$2acp4$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #80147 |
At 31 Dec 2025 03:12:29 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
> > But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
> > "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a list
> > of what the error codes mean.
>
> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>
> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
Some of those look a bit silly when errno is 0...
("Oh shit! Success")
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-31 08:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Service startup errors |
| Message-ID | <mrk4tkFu3fsU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #80150 |
On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 04:40:29 +0000, vallor wrote:
> At 31 Dec 2025 03:12:29 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2025 18:53:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> > But if it means something to them, it's still miles ahead of a
>> > "something went wrong" message. If you're lucky you might find a
>> > list of what the error codes mean.
>>
>> https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/linux-error-codes/
>>
>> printf("Oh shit! %s\n", strerror(errno));
>
> Some of those look a bit silly when errno is 0...
>
> ("Oh shit! Success")
There is usually a conditional.
void* foo;
foo = malloc(1000);
if (foo == NULL) {
printf("malloc had a little problem %s\n", strerror(errno));
}
I usually did test malloc/calloc returns and logged the error although if
malloc was failing I was skeptical of the log ever being written. I do
remember catching a calloc() error where the number of elements was less
than 0 so I guess it wasn't in vain.
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