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| First post | 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100 |
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Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-03 13:37 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 15:40 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-03 07:39 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-12-06 16:46 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:28 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-16 02:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 02:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 17:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-17 10:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 23:34 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-05 20:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-05 15:57 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-08 18:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-06 12:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-06 19:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-06 15:13 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-06 22:28 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 01:39 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 06:19 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-06 22:50 -0800
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-07 10:52 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-22 12:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:34 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:02 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:41 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-16 07:39 -0700
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:57 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:13 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:58 +0000
Re: polyglot programming, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 00:00 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-07 00:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 19:48 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-07 00:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 01:31 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 11:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:52 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-07 19:39 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:27 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:31 -0700
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 01:46 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 05:53 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 22:25 -0800
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:48 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:43 +0000
Re: more polyglot programming, was Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 16:31 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 18:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-07 19:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-07 19:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 12:14 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:05 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:46 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:39 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:07 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:15 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-07 14:30 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 03:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 11:52 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-07 14:25 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:26 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 12:15 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-08 16:13 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:19 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 00:08 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 23:58 +0000
Greek origins of Christian scriptures [was Re: Recent history of vi] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-07 18:17 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-12-08 01:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:34 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 14:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-09 01:10 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-12-09 04:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-12-09 04:47 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 15:16 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 16:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 02:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-10 19:34 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-12 16:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-14 04:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 21:21 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-08 07:38 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 06:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:35 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-08 16:35 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:54 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-10 13:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:07 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 08:52 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-11 20:54 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-11 20:57 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-12 02:01 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 02:27 +0000
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-12 03:28 +0100
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 21:43 -0800
Re: linguistic hegemony, was Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 07:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 09:57 +0100
EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-12 09:53 +0000
Re: EU (was: Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 11:51 +0100
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-12 19:26 +0000
Re: EU Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-13 12:01 +0100
Re: EU Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-20 00:23 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 20:59 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 21:34 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:24 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:47 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:57 +0000
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-17 13:27 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:05 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:34 -0500
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-16 12:42 -0500
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 18:14 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 19:55 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 20:05 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-16 23:15 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:49 +0000
Re: EU Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-17 07:32 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 18:53 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:06 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:02 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:18 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:03 -0500
Re: EU "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-18 23:26 +0100
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 02:29 -0500
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-18 17:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:32 -0500
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 10:47 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:30 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:01 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:03 +0000
Re: EU John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 14:08 -0800
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 22:33 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:12 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-20 20:45 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:41 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 01:00 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 07:06 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-22 02:21 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:06 +0000
Re: EU Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-22 14:41 -0800
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:59 -0500
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 19:47 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 21:18 +0000
Re: EU scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 22:38 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:32 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:24 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:36 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:27 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-23 23:40 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-24 07:02 +0000
Re: EU "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-24 10:32 +0000
Re: EU Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:04 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:21 -0500
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Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-22 17:33 +0000
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Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 10:39 +0000
Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:10 +0000
Re: EU c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-21 14:29 -0500
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 20:52 +0000
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 03:07 +0000
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Re: EU rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 07:43 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:30 +0000
Re: EU Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: EU The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:53 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-12 20:27 +0100
Yes,{, Prime} Minister (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 23:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-12-13 15:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-15 15:44 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 01:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:22 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 10:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 10:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-17 13:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 07:06 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-10 23:06 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 19:38 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-08 02:03 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 07:09 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 11:49 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-07 22:56 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-08 08:18 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:32 +0000
Re: Unicode (was Re: Recent history of vi) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-12-15 10:52 +0100
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-05 01:59 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:14 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-05 10:35 +0000
Re: Unicode, not Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 12:05 +0100
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 11:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hgvo5$2r3rh$18@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78888 |
On 12/12/2025 08:57, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially >>> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to >>> happen for obvious reasons, though. >> >> The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27 >> different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and >> climates. > > Funnily enough, despite all the grumbling, all EU members joined > voluntarily. The UK did not join voluntarily. Our politicians did it on our behalf after lying to us about it. When we were actually given a choice, we left. Or tried to. Our politicians are busy trying to reverse all that. > The EU is build not by conquest, but by individual states > applying to join the club. So if a state doesn't like that, they are, > of course, also free to leave. Not any more. > Which is what the UK did. It went amazingly > well of them, with the world lining up at their door to sign amazing trade > agreements with the UK, lots of money suddenly flowing into the NHS > and in general the UK becoming an economic and political powerhouse > again ... Yup. All of that. > oh wait, that didn't happen, it all went to crap for them, oops. No, it didnt . Despite every effort by the EU and indeed the British political class, to make sure it did. -- I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it. Sir Roger Scruton
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| From | Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 20:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10jor5n.2ria5.als@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> |
| In reply to | #78917 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 12/12/2025 08:57, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>>> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially
>>>> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to
>>>> happen for obvious reasons, though.
>>>
>>> The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27
>>> different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and
>>> climates.
>>
>> Funnily enough, despite all the grumbling, all EU members joined
>> voluntarily.
>
> The UK did not join voluntarily. Our politicians did it on our behalf
> after lying to us about it.
Please watch the educational documentaries "Yes Minister" and "Yes,
Prime Minister". They include the reasoning why it was critical for
Britain to join the EU.
> When we were actually given a choice, we left.
That "choice" was served with an impressive helping of lies. And one does
get the strong impression that it was meant merely as a tactical political
game and never intended to be executed upon. Then it was. Oops.
> Or tried to. Our
> politicians are busy trying to reverse all that.
Because even they can see the facts when those are punching them in
the face, yes.
>> The EU is build not by conquest, but by individual states
>> applying to join the club. So if a state doesn't like that, they are,
>> of course, also free to leave.
>
> Not any more.
Still are. Except most are not as fond of shooting their foot as the
UK was.
> > Which is what the UK did. It went amazingly
>> well of them, with the world lining up at their door to sign amazing trade
>> agreements with the UK, lots of money suddenly flowing into the NHS
>> and in general the UK becoming an economic and political powerhouse
>> again ...
>
> Yup. All of that.
Of course. Next, India will come begging to be brought back under the
firm hand of the East India Company.
>> oh wait, that didn't happen, it all went to crap for them, oops.
>
> No, it didnt .
>
> Despite every effort by the EU and indeed the British political class,
> to make sure it did.
CEPR disagrees:
https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/brexits-slow-burn-hit-uk-economy
Kind regards.
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 23:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Yes,{, Prime} Minister (was: Re: Recent history of vi) |
| Message-ID | <10hi8dk$3espg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78950 |
On 2025-12-12, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12/12/2025 08:57, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>>>> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially
>>>>> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to
>>>>> happen for obvious reasons, though.
>>>>
>>>> The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27
>>>> different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and
>>>> climates.
>>>
>>> Funnily enough, despite all the grumbling, all EU members joined
>>> voluntarily.
>>
>> The UK did not join voluntarily. Our politicians did it on our behalf
>> after lying to us about it.
>
> Please watch the educational documentaries "Yes Minister" and "Yes,
> Prime Minister". They include the reasoning why it was critical for
> Britain to join the EU.
And now the person which your current interlocutor would refer to using
the perpendicular pronoun is stuck thinking on the grand pun from The
Bishop's Gambit...
("Long time, no see")
--
Nuno Silva
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 15:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20251213155505.b7478400b385595b0885e285@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #78950 |
On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 20:27:51 +0100 Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > On 12/12/2025 08:57, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >>> On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > >>>> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially > >>>> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to > >>>> happen for obvious reasons, though. > >>> > >>> The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27 > >>> different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and > >>> climates. > >> > >> Funnily enough, despite all the grumbling, all EU members joined > >> voluntarily. > > > > The UK did not join voluntarily. Our politicians did it on our behalf > > after lying to us about it. > > Please watch the educational documentaries "Yes Minister" and "Yes, > Prime Minister". They include the reasoning why it was critical for > Britain to join the EU. > > > When we were actually given a choice, we left. > > That "choice" was served with an impressive helping of lies. And one does > get the strong impression that it was meant merely as a tactical political > game and never intended to be executed upon. Then it was. Oops. > > > Or tried to. Our > > politicians are busy trying to reverse all that. > > Because even they can see the facts when those are punching them in > the face, yes. > > >> The EU is build not by conquest, but by individual states > >> applying to join the club. So if a state doesn't like that, they are, > >> of course, also free to leave. > > > > Not any more. > > Still are. Except most are not as fond of shooting their foot as the > UK was. > > > > Which is what the UK did. It went amazingly > >> well of them, with the world lining up at their door to sign amazing trade > >> agreements with the UK, lots of money suddenly flowing into the NHS > >> and in general the UK becoming an economic and political powerhouse > >> again ... > > > > Yup. All of that. > > Of course. Next, India will come begging to be brought back under the > firm hand of the East India Company. > > >> oh wait, that didn't happen, it all went to crap for them, oops. > > > > No, it didnt . > > > > Despite every effort by the EU and indeed the British political class, > > to make sure it did. > > CEPR disagrees: > https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/brexits-slow-burn-hit-uk-economy > You are debating with a hardcore "philosopher", good luck with that. -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 18:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hpkiu$22juh$15@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79015 |
On 13/12/2025 15:55, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 20:27:51 +0100 > Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote: > >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 12/12/2025 08:57, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> On 10/12/2025 22:07, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>>>>> Well, the alternative would be to declare one language as the officially >>>>>> binding one and if that is not your language, too bad. Not going to >>>>>> happen for obvious reasons, though. >>>>> >>>>> The alternative would be to not *impose* 'harmonised' legislation on 27 >>>>> different countries with different cultures, economies, geographies and >>>>> climates. >>>> >>>> Funnily enough, despite all the grumbling, all EU members joined >>>> voluntarily. >>> >>> The UK did not join voluntarily. Our politicians did it on our behalf >>> after lying to us about it. >> >> Please watch the educational documentaries "Yes Minister" and "Yes, >> Prime Minister". They include the reasoning why it was critical for >> Britain to join the EU. >> >>> When we were actually given a choice, we left. >> >> That "choice" was served with an impressive helping of lies. And one does >> get the strong impression that it was meant merely as a tactical political >> game and never intended to be executed upon. Then it was. Oops. >> >>> Or tried to. Our >>> politicians are busy trying to reverse all that. >> >> Because even they can see the facts when those are punching them in >> the face, yes. >> >>>> The EU is build not by conquest, but by individual states >>>> applying to join the club. So if a state doesn't like that, they are, >>>> of course, also free to leave. >>> >>> Not any more. >> >> Still are. Except most are not as fond of shooting their foot as the >> UK was. >> >>> > Which is what the UK did. It went amazingly >>>> well of them, with the world lining up at their door to sign amazing trade >>>> agreements with the UK, lots of money suddenly flowing into the NHS >>>> and in general the UK becoming an economic and political powerhouse >>>> again ... >>> >>> Yup. All of that. >> >> Of course. Next, India will come begging to be brought back under the >> firm hand of the East India Company. >> >>>> oh wait, that didn't happen, it all went to crap for them, oops. >>> >>> No, it didnt . >>> >>> Despite every effort by the EU and indeed the British political class, >>> to make sure it did. >> >> CEPR disagrees: >> https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/brexits-slow-burn-hit-uk-economy >> > > > You are debating with a hardcore "philosopher", good luck with that. > The site he references is simply one of a number who are paid handsomely to do exactly what they did 30+ years ago. Tell everyone how great the EU is and how fucking stupid we were to leave. But you only have to look at the EU region's national GDPs to see that Britain is doing no worse and in many cases a lot better, than the rest of Europe. Despite the efforts of its current government. -- "The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll look exactly the same afterwards." Billy Connolly
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 22:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mqbh34F61eeU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79182 |
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:38:21 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > But you only have to look at the EU region's national GDPs to see that > Britain is doing no worse and in many cases a lot better, than the rest > of Europe. It helps that Germany seems dead set on committing suicide.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 15:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10hq6h0$29bpk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79221 |
On 12/15/25 14:40, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:38:21 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> But you only have to look at the EU region's national GDPs to see that >> Britain is doing no worse and in many cases a lot better, than the rest >> of Europe. > > It helps that Germany seems dead set on committing suicide. What gives you that impression? By the way on 60 Minutes last night an impressive story on how Germany is rearming and helping the rest of Europe to do so. Problem is that not many moderns want to be soldiers having adopted pacifistic ideals as a result of WW II madness. Still may return to conscription to get the number of trained soldiers up to appropriate. Germany is right in the way if the Russian Federation or Putin decide to come into Western Europe. bliss bliss
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-16 01:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mqbsn5F8conU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79237 |
On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 15:44:29 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > What gives you that impression? > By the way on 60 Minutes last night an impressive story on how Germany > is > rearming and helping the rest of Europe to do so. https://hir.harvard.edu/germanys-energy-crisis-europes-leading-economy-is- falling-behind/ You and The Natural Philosopher should get a room. All you can see is the Ukraine war. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-news-automakers-see-worst-profits- since-2009/live-75158691 You have to scroll down for the article. "EY automotive expert Constantin Gall explained: "The global automotive industry is in a deep crisis. However, it is currently the German car companies that are suffering particularly badly." Germany's auto industry is a key pillar of the country's economy. " Build your industry on cheap gas, trash your nuclear plants, try to move to unproven green sources, cut off the gas supply, and rattle your sabers with an army that is outmatched? Recipe for success. Then there was the plan to fill the country with gastarbeiters that were supposed to go home when not needed but didn't.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-16 10:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hrbsd$2i9gm$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79249 |
On 16/12/2025 01:59, rbowman wrote: > "EY automotive expert Constantin Gall explained: "The global automotive > industry is in a deep crisis. However, it is currently the German car > companies that are suffering particularly badly." > > Germany's auto industry is a key pillar of the country's economy. " > > Build your industry on cheap gas, trash your nuclear plants, try to move > to unproven green sources, cut off the gas supply, and rattle your sabers > with an army that is outmatched? Recipe for success. Then there was the > plan to fill the country with gastarbeiters that were supposed to go home > when not needed but didn't. And all that because Russia paid or blackmailed the top politicians to do all of that. And ran the Green party from Moscow. The Ukraine war is just another piece of the puzzle, as is MAGA. Russia, spectacularly crap at war, is the master of lies and propaganda. It invented 'woke' and it invented 'anti-woke'. -- The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-16 10:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hrbl4$2i9gm$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79237 |
On 15/12/2025 23:44, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > On 12/15/25 14:40, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:38:21 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> But you only have to look at the EU region's national GDPs to see >>> that Britain is doing no worse and in many cases a lot better, >>> than the rest of Europe. >> >> It helps that Germany seems dead set on committing suicide. > > What gives you that impression? By the way on 60 Minutes last night > an impressive story on how Germany is rearming and helping the rest > of Europe to do so. > There you go. You saw it on the telly so it must be true! > Problem is that not many moderns want to be soldiers having adopted > pacifistic ideals as a result of WW II madness. Still may return to > conscription to get the number of trained soldiers up to > appropriate. Germany is right in the way if the Russian Federation or > Putin decide to come into Western Europe. > Russia wont get that far. Everything you hear is propaganda, lies and bullshit. Russia is on its knees. Otherwise the last thing it would say is 'I am going to invade' It never did before. It thinks Trump has the power to force Ukraine to capitulate. Zelenskyy is happy to talk Bollocks in Berlin whilst his generals take apart the Russia war machine from a safe distance. But no one believes the talks are going anywhere. Except maybe Trump and Putin, but it's no business of Trump's. He just wants the big payoff from Putin for his chums and himself. It's all about finding an excuse to lift sanctions on Russia so he can get his reward in BitCoins. But he hasn't any cards left. Even Congress is in favour of supporting Ukraine, and there is only so far 'emergency presidential powers' can be stretched., When Ukraine even has access to Russian security cameras you know the Russian regime is rotten to the core. https://twitter.com/i/status/2000598206179352910 -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-16 20:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mqdunlFiccvU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79270 |
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 10:18:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Russia is on its knees. How many more Paras are wandering around the Ukraine? All advisors, I'm sure.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-17 10:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10htvqr$3dela$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79315 |
On 16/12/2025 20:45, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 10:18:12 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Russia is on its knees. > > How many more Paras are wandering around the Ukraine? All advisors, I'm > sure. Who knows? No one is telling. Ive seen film of guts fighting Russians all speaking in English, with London, Joburg, Sydney and New York accents....Mercenaries? *shrug*.. very professional. The Norks are still in Kursk de-mining it with their loyal bodies. -- If I had all the money I've spent on drink... ..I'd spend it on drink. Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-16 10:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hraoi$2i9gm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79221 |
On 15/12/2025 22:40, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:38:21 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> But you only have to look at the EU region's national GDPs to see that >> Britain is doing no worse and in many cases a lot better, than the rest >> of Europe. > > It helps that Germany seems dead set on committing suicide. Russia owned more leaders than just Trump. Germany was totally in its thrall -- I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it. Sir Roger Scruton
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-16 20:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mqdsr2FiccvU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79269 |
On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 10:02:58 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/12/2025 22:40, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:38:21 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> But you only have to look at the EU region's national GDPs to see that >>> Britain is doing no worse and in many cases a lot better, than the >>> rest of Europe. >> >> It helps that Germany seems dead set on committing suicide. > > Russia owned more leaders than just Trump. > Germany was totally in its thrall Mutti Merkel missed the good old days in the GDR.
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| From | Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> |
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| Date | 2025-12-17 13:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10k5a92.29j0p.als@frodo.angband.thangorodrim.de> |
| In reply to | #79269 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 15/12/2025 22:40, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:38:21 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> But you only have to look at the EU region's national GDPs to see that
>>> Britain is doing no worse and in many cases a lot better, than the rest
>>> of Europe.
>>
>> It helps that Germany seems dead set on committing suicide.
>
> Russia owned more leaders than just Trump.
> Germany was totally in its thrall
Gerhard Schröder was called "Gas Gerd" for very good (or rather, from the
PoV of national security, very bad) reasons. He did stay loyal to his
paymaster even after Russia's invasion of Ukraine - so I guess you can
call him a honest politician (since after being bought, the remained
bought)?
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-17 07:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10htkqc$3af0f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78696 |
On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 13:41:38 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > My sister made a very good living out of translating Spanish, Greek > English, German, Italian and French documents one to another for IIRC > NATO, but the EU is the same. > > As we say 'Costa Packet' > > All paid for by the good citizens . There is a saying about not being able to afford doing it correctly, yet being able to afford doing it over, isn’t there ... a situation wise Governments would like to avoid ...
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| From | Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> |
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| Date | 2025-12-10 23:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10jjrn8.29mh4.als@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> |
| In reply to | #78689 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-12-08 16:35, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 07/12/2025 21:54, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He
>>>>>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin
>>>>>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited
>>>>>>> utility in later life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters,
>>>>>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages.
>>>>>
>>>>> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics,
>>>>> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that
>>>>> language of an educated European.
>>>>
>>>> The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an
>>>> educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language
>>>> the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke
>>>
>>> i.e the language of the educated European...
>>
>> Well, there was a famous book about early artillery and black powder
>> when those technologies were somewhat newish in Europe and which contained
>> texts from many sources. The author only bothered to translate the arabic
>> and chinese sources, because a properly educated officer would of course
>> be able to read german, english, french, spanish, italian, greek, latin
>> and english (and I probably forgot one or two languages in the list).
>
> Wow.
You have to keep in mind that said "properly educated officer" at that
time was a noble, usually from a family both financially well off and
well connected (which, back then, needed way more language skills than
today) so they didn't have to engage in such lowly behaviour as working
for living. They also tended to have access to competent tutors providing
often 1:1 education from an early age and a certain broadness of language
skills was expected to be functional at the various noble/royal courts.
>>>> and it
>>>> conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so
>>>> they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the
>>>> Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common
>>>> people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading
>>>> the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin)
>>>> to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy
>>>> trying to remain gatekeepers ...
>>>>
>>> Bit like the EU today isn't it?
>>
>> Not at all. Official EU documents are translated into all the official
>> languages of the EU nations by qualified translators so that the legal
>> intent remains preserved. One of the reasons why machine translations
>> between EU languages are so good is that this corpus serves as really
>> good training material for those systems.
>
> What machine translator are they using?
The EU uses human translators, presumably backed by appropriate domain
experts (having two legally binding but disagreeing versions of the same
document obviously won't do). Various companies then used that (public)
document corpus to build/train their machine translators.
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 19:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mlfr0mxi85.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78722 |
On 2025-12-10 23:06, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2025-12-08 16:35, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 07/12/2025 21:54, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> On 07/12/2025 19:12, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 16:31:23 +0100, Alexander Schreiber wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Semi-apropos I was reading an essay by Herbert Spencer last night. He >>>>>>>> questioned the British educational system that taught Greek and Latin >>>>>>>> because that's what 'educated' people learned even though they had limited >>>>>>>> utility in later life. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Latin is useful for several reasons; it helps make sense of english, for starters, >>>>>>> and it certainly helps when subsequently learning latin-derived (Romance) languages. >>>>>> >>>>>> The point about Latin and Greek is that all science mathematics, >>>>>> philosophy and the bible used to be written in it because it was that >>>>>> language of an educated European. >>>>> >>>>> The bible was not written in Latin because that was the language of an >>>>> educated European, it was written in Latin because that was the language >>>>> the clergy (from the lowest monk to the pope) learned and spoke >>>> >>>> i.e the language of the educated European... >>> >>> Well, there was a famous book about early artillery and black powder >>> when those technologies were somewhat newish in Europe and which contained >>> texts from many sources. The author only bothered to translate the arabic >>> and chinese sources, because a properly educated officer would of course >>> be able to read german, english, french, spanish, italian, greek, latin >>> and english (and I probably forgot one or two languages in the list). >> >> Wow. > > You have to keep in mind that said "properly educated officer" at that > time was a noble, usually from a family both financially well off and > well connected (which, back then, needed way more language skills than > today) so they didn't have to engage in such lowly behaviour as working > for living. They also tended to have access to competent tutors providing > often 1:1 education from an early age and a certain broadness of language > skills was expected to be functional at the various noble/royal courts. Still, that's more of an scholar than a person swimming in luxury. > >>>>> and it >>>>> conventiently was a language that most of the people didn't speak, so >>>>> they needed the clergy as "interpreters". One of the reasons why the >>>>> Church was so much after Martin Luther, because he enabled the common >>>>> people (yes, reading was still a limited distribution skill, but reading >>>>> the native language was far, far more common than understanding Latin) >>>>> to read "the word of God" themselves. Rather inconvient for the clergy >>>>> trying to remain gatekeepers ... >>>>> >>>> Bit like the EU today isn't it? >>> >>> Not at all. Official EU documents are translated into all the official >>> languages of the EU nations by qualified translators so that the legal >>> intent remains preserved. One of the reasons why machine translations >>> between EU languages are so good is that this corpus serves as really >>> good training material for those systems. >> >> What machine translator are they using? > > The EU uses human translators, presumably backed by appropriate domain > experts (having two legally binding but disagreeing versions of the same > document obviously won't do). Various companies then used that (public) > document corpus to build/train their machine translators. I am only aware of DeepL. > > Kind regards, > Alex. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 02:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mpmq0eFm88sU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #78429 |
On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 20:23:45 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > My nephew is completely bi lingual. and I asked him whether he read Kant > in the German. > 'No' he said ' the English translations are clearer.' At least to the English mind. Another philosopher you love to hate, Heidegger, questioned if Greek can really be translated. Certainly his German can't be translated. 'Standing-reserve'? Sometimes I think I sort of get the gist of 'The Question Concerning Technology' but then I wonder if I sort of understand what the translator thought he was saying.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-08 08:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10h630d$r4s$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78448 |
On 08/12/2025 02:03, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 7 Dec 2025 20:23:45 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> My nephew is completely bi lingual. and I asked him whether he read Kant >> in the German. >> 'No' he said ' the English translations are clearer.' > > At least to the English mind. He is half German born and raised in Germany >Another philosopher you love to hate, > Heidegger, questioned if Greek can really be translated. Certainly his > German can't be translated. 'Standing-reserve'? Sometimes I think I sort > of get the gist of 'The Question Concerning Technology' but then I wonder > if I sort of understand what the translator thought he was saying. Lol. I think I tried Heidegger, but followed Wittgenstein's advice "If on reading a book on philosophy, you have not been tempted to throw it into the corner without finishing it, you are not a true philosopher" Or something Another Nazi like Nietzsche. -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket.
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