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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-11-08 02:01 -0500 |
| Last post | 2025-11-09 19:08 +0000 |
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Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:01 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 11:31 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:15 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:32 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:08 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:51 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:38 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:50 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:57 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 23:58 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 11:25 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:48 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 23:29 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-09 09:18 -0800
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-09 20:13 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 07:47 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:09 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:15 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:33 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:23 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 01:03 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 10:57 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:36 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:50 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:38 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-12 16:38 -0800
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 04:29 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-13 05:07 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:09 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:42 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:37 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:46 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 05:31 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 06:00 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 02:08 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:55 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:30 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:56 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:54 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:17 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:38 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:20 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:50 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:18 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:54 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:28 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:25 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:49 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:49 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:31 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 23:33 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 01:21 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 00:13 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 05:40 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 01:20 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:31 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:39 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 19:48 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-10 20:35 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:53 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 20:37 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 23:51 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 19:40 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 23:01 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 04:33 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 12:27 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-12 12:44 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-12 14:17 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 23:51 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-13 22:38 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:30 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 04:21 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:10 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 02:51 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 07:08 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:40 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-14 16:26 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:51 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 19:22 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-14 17:34 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-14 19:54 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 13:37 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:09 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 02:05 +0000
Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-15 09:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 17:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-15 18:48 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-15 21:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-15 22:07 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:21 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-15 23:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:29 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-16 00:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 00:45 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-16 09:14 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-16 15:40 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 18:38 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-18 03:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 13:11 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-19 20:12 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:10 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:01 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 03:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:35 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2025-11-16 15:47 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:15 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:31 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:30 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:08 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-17 11:39 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:31 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:03 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-17 02:32 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 21:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 05:11 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 05:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-16 12:15 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:24 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 19:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-18 08:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-18 12:09 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-17 04:01 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2025-11-17 08:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 10:33 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-16 09:49 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-16 19:28 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 20:19 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 20:59 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:04 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 21:19 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 21:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-16 23:13 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-11-16 23:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-17 00:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:55 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:27 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-22 03:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 05:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-16 23:51 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-18 20:04 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-18 20:29 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-19 08:24 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-21 19:58 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-11-21 21:14 +0000
ISO 8859-1, ISO 8859-15 and their names (was: Re: Recent history of vi) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:20 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-21 19:10 -0700
Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-22 10:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-22 17:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-22 19:20 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 21:43 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 00:23 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-23 02:17 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:42 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 14:59 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 13:09 -0800
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:57 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 02:56 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-22 20:18 -0700
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 01:45 +0000
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-23 18:06 -0800
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:13 +0000
Re: typing in the mysterious East, Recent history of vi John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-11-24 02:23 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 19:55 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:08 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-22 20:25 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:02 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:16 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-27 21:18 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-19 02:37 +0100
ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2025-11-19 14:58 +0100
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") (was: Recent history of vi) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-11-20 02:09 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-19 20:16 -0700
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 08:47 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:10 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
Re: ISO 8859-1 ("Latin 1") Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de> - 2025-11-21 12:24 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-19 13:02 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-23 16:25 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-11-25 10:26 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:05 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 23:04 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2025-11-27 20:10 +0100
Re: Recent history of vi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-11-27 20:19 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:44 +0000
Re: Recent history of vi Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-11-28 07:54 -0500
Re: Recent history of vi Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-11-28 22:10 +0100
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Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-12 10:50 +0000
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Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:19 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-13 20:16 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:17 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 01:54 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-13 21:33 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 14:04 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 16:27 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 22:44 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-11-14 13:24 +0000
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Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-11 21:07 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:56 -0500
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:28 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:45 +0000
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 14:35 +0100
Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 22:15 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 07:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mno2urF4d3oU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77509 |
On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 04:21:34 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-11-14, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 11/13/25 16:38, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> WordStar was designed for touch typists. >> >> I forget most younger folks were never trained to do that. The >> 2-finger approach at best :-) > > s/finger/thumb/ for phone addicts... Not a very satisfying mode when you have XXL paws and an autocorrect with a weird sense of humor.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 02:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0--dnf8PrpPjQov0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77514 |
On 11/14/25 02:10, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 04:21:34 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2025-11-14, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> On 11/13/25 16:38, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> WordStar was designed for touch typists. >>> >>> I forget most younger folks were never trained to do that. The >>> 2-finger approach at best :-) >> >> s/finger/thumb/ for phone addicts... > > Not a very satisfying mode when you have XXL paws and an autocorrect with > a weird sense of humor. Phones are made for people with skinny little fingers. Mine will cover three of the onscreen 'keys' and results are unpredictable. Near useless ... But EVERYTHING wants an app these days. Hmm ... I wonder if the Disability Act might be leveraged ?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 07:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mno2rmF4d3oU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77507 |
On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:30:32 -0500, c186282 wrote: > On 11/13/25 16:38, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-11-13 05:51, c186282 wrote: >>> On 11/12/25 07:44, Andy Burns wrote: >>>> Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> You just reminded me of a non working feature in joe, jstar mode. >>>>> >>>>> ^K^B ... ^K^K to mark a block of text. >>>> >>>> Sounds a bit WordStar? >>> >>> Kinda. >>> >>> But WordStar was good. >> >> WordStar was designed for touch typists. > > I forget most younger folks were never > trained to do that. The 2-finger approach > at best I get more than two fingers involved but I'm not a touch typist. It doesn't take much to throw me off either, I bought same yams today and at the self checkout kiosk where you have to enter the name "where the hell is 'y'"
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 13:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ejkjulxhf2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77513 |
On 2025-11-14 08:08, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:30:32 -0500, c186282 wrote: > >> On 11/13/25 16:38, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-11-13 05:51, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 11/12/25 07:44, Andy Burns wrote: >>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You just reminded me of a non working feature in joe, jstar mode. >>>>>> >>>>>> ^K^B ... ^K^K to mark a block of text. >>>>> >>>>> Sounds a bit WordStar? >>>> >>>> Kinda. >>>> >>>> But WordStar was good. >>> >>> WordStar was designed for touch typists. >> >> I forget most younger folks were never >> trained to do that. The 2-finger approach >> at best > > > I get more than two fingers involved but I'm not a touch typist. It > doesn't take much to throw me off either, I bought same yams today and at > the self checkout kiosk where you have to enter the name "where the hell > is 'y'" > Index finger, right hand, top letter row :-) My hands know where the letters are. Not me. :-) -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 16:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <JKIRQ.9305$CT17.688@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #77520 |
On 2025-11-14, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-11-14 08:08, rbowman wrote: > >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:30:32 -0500, c186282 wrote: >> >>> I forget most younger folks were never >>> trained to do that. The 2-finger approach >>> at best >> >> I get more than two fingers involved but I'm not a touch typist. It >> doesn't take much to throw me off either, I bought same yams today and at >> the self checkout kiosk where you have to enter the name "where the hell >> is 'y'" > > Index finger, right hand, top letter row :-) > > My hands know where the letters are. Not me. :-) I find that it's like that with musical instruments too. If someone asks me how to make a G shape on a guitar, it's much easier for me to just pick up a guitar and let my fingers do the walking. My fingers speak mandolin, too. I've come to think of the interface between strings and notes or chords as the equivalent of a device driver. Switch instruments, switch drivers - and presto, a song you know on one instrument comes out on another. The high-level functions that tell you which chords to play and/or sing remain the same. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 19:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mnpfiuFbcr3U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77526 |
On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 16:26:17 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-11-14, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2025-11-14 08:08, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:30:32 -0500, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> I forget most younger folks were never trained to do that. The >>>> 2-finger approach at best >>> >>> I get more than two fingers involved but I'm not a touch typist. It >>> doesn't take much to throw me off either, I bought same yams today and >>> at the self checkout kiosk where you have to enter the name "where the >>> hell is 'y'" >> >> Index finger, right hand, top letter row :-) >> >> My hands know where the letters are. Not me. :-) > > I find that it's like that with musical instruments too. If someone asks > me how to make a G shape on a guitar, > it's much easier for me to just pick up a guitar and let my fingers do > the walking. > > My fingers speak mandolin, too. I've come to think of the interface > between strings and notes or chords as the equivalent of a device > driver. Switch instruments, switch drivers - and presto, a song you > know on one instrument comes out on another. The high-level functions > that tell you which chords to play and/or sing remain the same. I find that works between Irish flute/tin whistle and guitar/banjo. G is G. Some though is required with a Boehm flute since the F is really F# on the Irish flute. I learned about CAGED a long time ago for guitars.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 19:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <CiGdnYSUD-5WWor0nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77526 |
On 11/14/25 11:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-11-14, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2025-11-14 08:08, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:30:32 -0500, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> I forget most younger folks were never >>>> trained to do that. The 2-finger approach >>>> at best >>> >>> I get more than two fingers involved but I'm not a touch typist. It >>> doesn't take much to throw me off either, I bought same yams today and at >>> the self checkout kiosk where you have to enter the name "where the hell >>> is 'y'" >> >> Index finger, right hand, top letter row :-) >> >> My hands know where the letters are. Not me. :-) > > I find that it's like that with musical instruments too. > If someone asks me how to make a G shape on a guitar, > it's much easier for me to just pick up a guitar and > let my fingers do the walking. > > My fingers speak mandolin, too. I've come to think of > the interface between strings and notes or chords as the > equivalent of a device driver. Switch instruments, switch > drivers - and presto, a song you know on one instrument > comes out on another. The high-level functions that > tell you which chords to play and/or sing remain the same. It all gets encoded in the cerebellum - becomes off-conscious 'automatic'. Cerebellums are weird - whole different wiring plan than everything else, oddly connected to the rest. Likely a much older brain that gradually, partially, got integrated with the newer stuff.
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 17:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10f7p6u$2vteq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77520 |
At Fri, 14 Nov 2025 13:40:46 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-11-14 08:08, rbowman wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 21:30:32 -0500, c186282 wrote: > > > >> On 11/13/25 16:38, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >>> On 2025-11-13 05:51, c186282 wrote: > >>>> On 11/12/25 07:44, Andy Burns wrote: > >>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> You just reminded me of a non working feature in joe, jstar > >>>>>> mode. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ^K^B ... ^K^K to mark a block of text. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sounds a bit WordStar? > >>>> > >>>> Kinda. > >>>> > >>>> But WordStar was good. > >>> > >>> WordStar was designed for touch typists. > >> > >> I forget most younger folks were never > >> trained to do that. The 2-finger approach > >> at best > > > > > > I get more than two fingers involved but I'm not a touch typist. It > > doesn't take much to throw me off either, I bought same yams today > > and at the self checkout kiosk where you have to enter the name > > "where the hell is 'y'" > > > > Index finger, right hand, top letter row :-) > > My hands know where the letters are. Not me. :-) I learned typing on a manual typewriter in high school. Then again, using a Cortez Peters textbook, in Radioman School in the USCG. The Cortez Peters system improved my speed and error rate. https://holmencomputerapps.weebly.com/cortez-peters.html Obquote: "Rhythm - you must learn to type with even rhythm. Good even rhythm will rid you of tension, anxiety and will minimize mistakes made. Instead of focusing on "quick where is the next letter" even rhythm will let you focus on what to type. If you slow down to achieve even rhythm you will in effect speed up." Hope that helps? -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.17.8 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 580.105.08 Mem: 258G "Is it ok to use my AM radio after NOON?"
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 19:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mnpfogFbcr3U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77529 |
On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 17:34:22 +0000, vallor wrote: > I learned typing on a manual typewriter in high school. In my high school business and shop kids took typing and Spanish. That would have been more useful in later life than Latin/German and no typing skills.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 13:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ldkjulxhf2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #77507 |
On 2025-11-14 03:30, c186282 wrote: > On 11/13/25 16:38, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-11-13 05:51, c186282 wrote: >>> On 11/12/25 07:44, Andy Burns wrote: >>>> Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> You just reminded me of a non working feature in joe, jstar mode. >>>>> >>>>> ^K^B ... ^K^K to mark a block of text. >>>> >>>> Sounds a bit WordStar? >>> >>> Kinda. >>> >>> But WordStar was good. >> >> WordStar was designed for touch typists. > > I forget most younger folks were never > trained to do that. The 2-finger approach > at best :-) We inherited an old typewriter, early 1900. Slow typing, my father used the wrong oil, too thick. But he taught me what finger to use for each letter and gave me an exercise book, which I soon ignored, too boring. But I had to do written works for schools and it was better to type them, and somehow I used the correct fingers, slowly. Eventually he bought a modern machine, much faster. There was the philosophy teacher (before 1980), that dictated the lessons. My fast handwriting was terrible, so me and a friend typed daily the notes, each his own. That daily typing is what got me to blind type almost correctly, I can type without looking at the keyboard. But I never actually trained "formally". > >> Curio: they designed variants of it that had different interface sets. > > I've seen different commands, user-definable commands > as well. Mostly it's a sub-set of commands however. I seem to recall wordstar 2000. Google confirms. WinWorld Forums https://winworldpc.com › product › wordstar › 2000 WordStar 2000 was a complete re-write in C, where WordStar 3.x had been translated Z80 assembler. The product used different file formats, and operated ... WordStar 2000 Review DOS Days http://www.dosdays.co.uk › micropro_ws2000_review WordStar 2000 is easier to learn than the original WordStar. For those with WordStar experience, the program will look familiar but the keystrokes will be ... I had no idea that it would have forums about it. What I remember is that the command layout was different, I hated that. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-14 16:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <O8SdndPJcaYNB4r0nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #77519 |
On 11/14/25 07:37, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-14 03:30, c186282 wrote: >> On 11/13/25 16:38, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-11-13 05:51, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 11/12/25 07:44, Andy Burns wrote: >>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You just reminded me of a non working feature in joe, jstar mode. >>>>>> >>>>>> ^K^B ... ^K^K to mark a block of text. >>>>> >>>>> Sounds a bit WordStar? >>>> >>>> Kinda. >>>> >>>> But WordStar was good. >>> >>> WordStar was designed for touch typists. >> >> I forget most younger folks were never >> trained to do that. The 2-finger approach >> at best :-) > > We inherited an old typewriter, early 1900. Slow typing, my father used > the wrong oil, too thick. But he taught me what finger to use for each > letter and gave me an exercise book, which I soon ignored, too boring. > But I had to do written works for schools and it was better to type > them, and somehow I used the correct fingers, slowly. Eventually he > bought a modern machine, much faster. Used to gave one of those big old Underwoods. Those weren't so much 'touch' however, more like 'bang'. Needed a couple extra credits in HS and took the typing class. Great investment. > There was the philosophy teacher (before 1980), that dictated the > lessons. My fast handwriting was terrible, so me and a friend typed > daily the notes, each his own. That daily typing is what got me to blind > type almost correctly, I can type without looking at the keyboard. But I > never actually trained "formally". Never scored high for "penmanship" ... typing was the way ...... >> >>> Curio: they designed variants of it that had different interface sets. >> >> I've seen different commands, user-definable commands >> as well. Mostly it's a sub-set of commands however. > > I seem to recall wordstar 2000. Google confirms. > > WinWorld Forums > https://winworldpc.com › product › wordstar › 2000 > WordStar 2000 was a complete re-write in C, where WordStar 3.x had been > translated Z80 assembler. The product used different file formats, and > operated ... > > WordStar 2000 Review > DOS Days > http://www.dosdays.co.uk › micropro_ws2000_review > WordStar 2000 is easier to learn than the original WordStar. For those > with WordStar experience, the program will look familiar but the > keystrokes will be ... > > > I had no idea that it would have forums about it. What I remember is > that the command layout was different, I hated that. WordStar and close variants were VERY popular back in the day. Kind of everyone's "first word processor". Everyone used it alongside Lotus-123.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-15 02:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mnq5f4Ffa24U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77551 |
On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 16:09:47 -0500, c186282 wrote: > WordStar and close variants were VERY popular back in the day. Kind > of everyone's "first word processor". > Everyone used it alongside Lotus-123. It was bundled on the Osborne 1 CP/M machine. I got a lot of miles out of it as a programming editor in the text mode. When I finally moved to the DOS world I bought Brief. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brief_(text_editor) 'ed' wasn't much fun. I think I way have had a freeware clone of vi that was no Joy either. I guessing 95% of the people who say 'I use vi' never have. Most Linux distros bring up Vim if you type 'vi'. One exception is Arch. 'vi' is a hard link to ex which comes up in the visual mode for that old timey flavor.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-15 09:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) |
| Message-ID | <10f9iud$3dmon$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77562 |
On 2025-11-15, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 16:09:47 -0500, c186282 wrote: > >> WordStar and close variants were VERY popular back in the day. Kind >> of everyone's "first word processor". >> Everyone used it alongside Lotus-123. > > It was bundled on the Osborne 1 CP/M machine. I got a lot of miles out of > it as a programming editor in the text mode. When I finally moved to the > DOS world I bought Brief. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brief_(text_editor) > > 'ed' wasn't much fun. I think I way have had a freeware clone of vi that > was no Joy either. I guessing 95% of the people who say 'I use vi' never > have. Most Linux distros bring up Vim if you type 'vi'. One exception is > Arch. 'vi' is a hard link to ex which comes up in the visual mode for that > old timey flavor. IIRC that source was lost or elusive for a long time, or perhaps held back by lack of permission to distribute? I think there were recent attempts to distribute vi from that source (which may rely on Caldera having had the rights to the UNIX source?). But I haven't checked this further, and may have grossly misunderstood something... There was also a third version in busybox, right? (X-posting to alt.folklore.computers for the vi history part.) -- Nuno Silva
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-15 17:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) |
| Message-ID | <mnrrp4FnjgqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77572 |
On Sat, 15 Nov 2025 09:59:39 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-11-15, rbowman wrote: > >> On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 16:09:47 -0500, c186282 wrote: >> >>> WordStar and close variants were VERY popular back in the day. Kind >>> of everyone's "first word processor". >>> Everyone used it alongside Lotus-123. >> >> It was bundled on the Osborne 1 CP/M machine. I got a lot of miles out >> of it as a programming editor in the text mode. When I finally moved to >> the DOS world I bought Brief. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brief_(text_editor) >> >> 'ed' wasn't much fun. I think I way have had a freeware clone of vi >> that was no Joy either. I guessing 95% of the people who say 'I use vi' >> never have. Most Linux distros bring up Vim if you type 'vi'. One >> exception is Arch. 'vi' is a hard link to ex which comes up in the >> visual mode for that old timey flavor. > > IIRC that source was lost or elusive for a long time, or perhaps held > back by lack of permission to distribute? Like Unix itself ed and vi had licensing problems. https://tech.slashdot.org/story/02/01/24/0146248/caldera-releases- original-unices-under-bsd-license Somehow at least the legacy vi code escaped the AT&T, UNIX System Laboratories, Novel, Caldera, SCO mess. Stevie was a clone of vi and Vim followed on Stevie. Doing a clean room implementation of vi wasn't difficult. Today somebody would probably try to patent ':w' as a unique key combination. It should be an object less that the companies that spent more time in legal wrangles than product development are footnotes in computer folklore.
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| From | ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) |
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| Date | 2025-11-15 18:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) |
| Message-ID | <mns08jFo8mqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77580 |
In article <mnrrp4FnjgqU1@mid.individual.net>, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >On Sat, 15 Nov 2025 09:59:39 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> On 2025-11-15, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 16:09:47 -0500, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> WordStar and close variants were VERY popular back in the day. Kind >>>> of everyone's "first word processor". >>>> Everyone used it alongside Lotus-123. >>> >>> It was bundled on the Osborne 1 CP/M machine. I got a lot of miles out >>> of it as a programming editor in the text mode. When I finally moved to >>> the DOS world I bought Brief. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brief_(text_editor) >>> >>> 'ed' wasn't much fun. I think I way have had a freeware clone of vi >>> that was no Joy either. I guessing 95% of the people who say 'I use vi' >>> never have. Most Linux distros bring up Vim if you type 'vi'. One >>> exception is Arch. 'vi' is a hard link to ex which comes up in the >>> visual mode for that old timey flavor. >> >> IIRC that source was lost or elusive for a long time, or perhaps held >> back by lack of permission to distribute? > >Like Unix itself ed and vi had licensing problems. > >https://tech.slashdot.org/story/02/01/24/0146248/caldera-releases- >original-unices-under-bsd-license > >Somehow at least the legacy vi code escaped the AT&T, UNIX System >Laboratories, Novel, Caldera, SCO mess. > >Stevie was a clone of vi and Vim followed on Stevie. Doing a clean room >implementation of vi wasn't difficult. Today somebody would probably try >to patent ':w' as a unique key combination. It should be an object less >that the companies that spent more time in legal wrangles than product >development are footnotes in computer folklore. > > > > I find it takes a lot of munging to get vim to *really* work like vi. The one on FreeBSD which I think is technically "nex" is much closer out of the box. -- columbiaclosings.com What's not in Columbia anymore..
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-15 21:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose ?) |
| Message-ID | <mnsa67Fq69cU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #77581 |
On 15 Nov 2025 18:48:51 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: > I find it takes a lot of munging to get vim to *really* work like vi. > The one on FreeBSD which I think is technically "nex" is much closer out > of the box. :he compatible has the disclaimer When this option is set, numerous other options are set to make Vim as Vi-compatible as possible. The Arch vi is the real thing. I've no idea what version it is because real vi doesn't do --version or much of anything useful.
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| From | Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-15 22:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) |
| Message-ID | <eli$2511151640@qaz.wtf> |
| In reply to | #77588 |
In comp.os.linux.misc, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On 15 Nov 2025 18:48:51 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> I find it takes a lot of munging to get vim to *really* work like vi. :set compatible does a very good job. It does leave out some of the bugs. The nvi implementation claims to be bug compatible, but then compare how modelines work in Real vi versus nvi and you'll be unable to believe that claim. I also don't think it supports "arbitrary ex mode command in third column of a tags file": tagname filename operation Invoke a tag with, say, ":tag tagname" and then it opens the named file and runs the operation. In defanged editors, the only operations supported are movements, like a :linenumber or /search-pattern/. In real vi you can chain ex commands to do things like :1,20 w >>$HOME/.profile | 99 That's going to append twenty lines to the user's .profile and then jump to line 99 of the file. stevie / elvis / neovim / busybox vi / ... are at best vi flavored editor. >> The one on FreeBSD which I think is technically "nex" is much closer out >> of the box. nex / nvi are the same, right? > :he compatible has the disclaimer > > When this option is set, numerous other options are set to make Vim as > Vi-compatible as possible. > > The Arch vi is the real thing. I've no idea what version it is because > real vi doesn't do --version or much of anything useful. In vi, the standard way to get the version is with ":version". It looks like arch is using Heirloom Vi: https://ex-vi.sourceforge.net/ That is a port of old code with many multibyte (eg UTF-8) fixes. It should work with hardcopy terminals, which a lot of other vi implementations (including vim) will not do. Those others expect you to use ex mode on hardcopy terminals. I learned vi on Digital Unix, A/UX, HP-UX, SunOS 4, and Solaris 2.(various), but I dabbled in vi clones for a long time, and was using vim back in the 2.x versions. Elvis is still the default vi in Slackware, and I've used recent versions of elvis for that reason. nvi is default on NetBSD, and probably that FreeBSD one mentioned above. I use NetBSD regularly and other BSDs very rarely. In the vim distro there are sample macro packages. The ones to run Conway's Game of Life were written by me on a Solaris box. The Solaris vi can run them, but eventually it crashes out because there is a bug that makes real vi (at least real vi of that era) forget marks after a while. Vim will just work. Neovim fails to even start. On the Debian system I'm working on right now those macros are in /usr/share/vim/vim90/macros/life/ Elijah ------ admits elvis is a pretty good vi imitation, but still not perfect
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-15 22:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) |
| Message-ID | <10faucd$3p4r1$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77590 |
On Sat, 15 Nov 2025 22:07:46 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: > I also don't think it supports "arbitrary ex mode command in > third column of a tags file" ... Isn’t there a vi derivative that supports Lua as an alternative extension language to those antiquated ex commands?
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| From | Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-15 23:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) |
| Message-ID | <eli$2511151813@qaz.wtf> |
| In reply to | #77593 |
In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2025 22:07:46 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: >> I also don't think it supports "arbitrary ex mode command in >> third column of a tags file" ... > Isn't there a vi derivative that supports Lua as an alternative extension > language to those antiquated ex commands? I wouldn't know and I don't care to look. I don't find scripting language integration with the editor to my tastes. I did just see someone in comp.editors complaining about something Lua related in vim, and I could believe vim offers it as a compile option. I have not compile vim myself in a while. (There was a 8.1.x vim that had a bug with <ctrl-v><ctrl-m> on the : line, and that was painful enough for me to recompile instead of using the package, but since then package version is fine.) Elijah ------ whose notes say that compile was early 2020
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-16 00:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Recent history of vi (was: Re: Python/C/Pascal ... How To Choose?) |
| Message-ID | <10fb5to$3rft5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #77598 |
On Sat, 15 Nov 2025 23:14:09 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >> Isn't there a vi derivative that supports Lua as an alternative >> extension language to those antiquated ex commands? > > I wouldn't know and I don't care to look. I don't find scripting > language integration with the editor to my tastes. You don’t think of it as an improvement on what’s already there?
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