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Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE

Started byLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2025-08-03 03:18 +0000
Last post2025-08-15 07:54 +0000
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  Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-03 03:18 +0000
    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:13 -0400
    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-03 06:08 -0400
      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-04 00:13 +0000
        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-03 22:24 -0400
          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-04 02:53 +0000
            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-03 23:26 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-04 05:14 +0000
                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-04 08:37 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-04 15:13 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-06 08:42 +1000
                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-05 19:04 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-06 09:30 +1000
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-05 23:59 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-06 06:21 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-06 05:59 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-06 02:05 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-07 18:22 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 20:56 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-08 15:49 +0100
            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-04 04:12 +0000
              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-04 07:05 +0000
                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-04 08:26 +0000
            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-04 09:05 +0100
              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-04 06:16 -0400
            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 09:45 -0700
              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-04 20:37 +0200
              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-04 15:13 -0400
                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 12:38 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-04 22:00 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 13:20 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-04 14:38 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-04 19:34 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:58 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 08:19 -0400
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 20:53 +1000
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 18:57 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 20:06 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 21:31 +1000
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 08:22 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 10:33 +0100
                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 10:32 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 10:31 +0100
                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-05 05:49 +0000
    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 12:11 +0800
      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 11:11 +0200
        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 19:57 +0800
          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 13:34 +0100
            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 20:58 +0800
            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 19:55 +0200
              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 19:30 +0100
                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 14:33 +0800
                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-07 06:56 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 19:06 +0800
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-07 22:18 +1000
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-07 19:34 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 09:10 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 21:38 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 12:56 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 22:15 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-08 10:36 +0100
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-08 12:01 +0200
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 04:13 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-08 00:58 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-08 13:58 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 10:28 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-09 10:49 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 21:28 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-08-10 18:37 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-10 19:49 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-11 12:08 +0100
                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-11 18:28 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 19:53 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-08-12 04:06 +0000
                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-12 18:47 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 19:46 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:42 +0100
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:47 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-11 18:34 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 21:29 +0200
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 04:31 +0000
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-11 11:45 +0200
                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 20:49 +0000
                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:36 +0200
                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-12 23:22 +0000
                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 09:14 +0100
                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-13 12:29 +0200
                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-13 22:44 -0400
                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 04:38 +0000
                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 03:00 -0400
                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 11:08 +0200
                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-14 23:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 01:28 +0200
                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-14 19:59 -0400
                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 03:00 -0400
                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-15 11:45 -0400
                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 02:56 -0400
                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 13:32 +0100
                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-16 00:28 +1000
                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 16:30 +0100
                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-16 02:19 +0000
                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-16 20:20 +1000
                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 13:12 +0100
                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-17 01:33 +0000
                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-17 00:59 -0400
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 10:51 +0100
                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-17 18:12 +0000
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 20:57 +0100
                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-18 00:27 +0000
                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-18 01:50 -0400
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 10:59 +0100
                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-18 07:11 -0400
                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 17:49 +0100
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 22:16 +1000
                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-19 01:33 -0400
                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 09:33 +0100
                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-19 12:45 +0200
                                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 12:31 +0100
                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-19 14:20 +0200
                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 01:16 -0400
                                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 10:46 +0100
                                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 21:35 +1000
                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 12:47 +0100
                                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 01:02 -0400
                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 05:24 +0000
                                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 02:35 -0400
                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 10:37 +0100
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 22:12 +0000
                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 22:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-17 01:31 +0000
                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-17 00:49 -0400
                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 10:44 +0100
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-18 00:33 +0000
                                                                    CD-DA and CD-ROM (was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 09:38 +0100
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-18 01:16 -0400
                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-17 15:23 +0200
                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 14:32 +0100
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-08-17 10:26 -0400
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 22:33 +1000
                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 17:53 +0100
                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 01:08 +0000
                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-19 01:52 -0400
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 09:35 +0100
                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-19 17:57 +0000
                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 09:49 +0100
                                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 17:21 +0000
                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 00:04 -0400
                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 10:30 +0100
                                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-20 19:00 +0000
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 09:36 +0100
                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 00:12 -0400
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 21:53 +1000
                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 22:28 +1000
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 17:51 +0100
                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-19 02:38 -0400
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 09:42 +0100
                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 00:50 -0400
                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 10:35 +0100
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 21:58 +1000
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 01:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 22:02 +1000
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 13:34 +0100
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-19 01:13 +0000
                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-18 19:10 -0700
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-19 03:19 +0000
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 09:28 +0100
                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-19 17:57 +0000
                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-19 18:21 +0000
                                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 09:50 +0100
                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 05:15 -0400
                                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 17:21 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-20 19:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-20 19:24 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 20:17 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 00:57 -0400
                                                                                      POLITICS!! (was ... Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-21 21:24 +1000
                                                                                        Re: POLITICS!! (was ... Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 12:32 +0100
                                                                                        Re: POLITICS!! (was ... Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-21 20:07 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-21 20:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-21 13:14 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Teslas and Toyotas Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-22 18:35 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Teslas and Toyotas rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 04:37 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-22 14:07 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 18:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 00:42 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 19:51 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 14:15 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 17:01 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:04 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-24 19:19 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:36 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 11:20 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-26 14:37 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 13:51 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:42 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-26 22:01 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-26 16:07 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-26 22:34 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 03:38 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 11:47 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-27 13:04 -0700
                                                                                                              Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 22:19 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-27 15:08 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 00:35 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:17 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:55 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 10:24 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:06 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 21:40 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:00 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-08-29 12:16 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 20:23 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> - 2025-08-30 10:37 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:57 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 20:18 +1000
                                                                                                                            Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 20:16 +1000
                                                                                                                              Capitalism and Population collapse [Re: Costs of transport] Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-31 13:46 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:11 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Costs of transport Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:19 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Costs of transport The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:45 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Costs of transport Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:56 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Costs of transport The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:23 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-29 08:30 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:14 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Costs of transport [Was: Pickup trucks for city boys] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 06:06 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 21:32 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:24 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:02 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 20:49 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 21:16 +1000
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:27 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 14:25 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 10:20 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:15 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:51 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:17 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 23:12 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 22:43 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-28 17:26 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 04:01 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:58 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 19:00 +0000
                                                                                                                            Herbs and banks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 21:47 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Herbs and banks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 05:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Herbs and banks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 07:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: Herbs and banks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:59 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Herbs and banks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Herbs and banks Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-30 14:12 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Herbs and banks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 23:09 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 21:53 +1000
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:27 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-30 10:31 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:47 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 01:07 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
                                                                                                                          Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-30 02:31 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-30 07:21 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:00 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 20:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:35 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 02:21 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 05:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:28 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:27 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Auto financing (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-05 19:52 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 05:02 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:29 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:28 +1000
                                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:34 +1000
                                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:43 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:04 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:59 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 21:24 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:36 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:53 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:33 +1000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:47 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:21 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-31 12:09 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-31 21:57 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 10:30 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:44 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:55 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:05 +1000
                                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 07:57 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-30 10:05 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 20:08 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:47 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 04:18 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:18 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 21:09 +1000
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:42 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-01 22:47 +1000
                                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 21:47 +1000
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:45 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 20:17 +1000
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:32 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:38 +1000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 08:53 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:29 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 23:49 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:49 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-27 06:10 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-08-27 12:06 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-27 22:40 +1000
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 16:20 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-08-27 13:18 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 20:42 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 19:49 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 21:57 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:43 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 00:38 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 21:28 +1000
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:35 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 22:15 +1000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 10:18 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 17:34 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 09:57 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-29 08:52 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:56 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 11:16 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-30 09:58 +1000
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:08 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:26 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 11:14 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 21:27 +1000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 13:21 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2025-08-29 14:04 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-30 10:18 +1000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:47 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 20:26 +1000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-30 10:28 +1000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 05:15 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:02 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:14 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:10 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-08-30 18:37 +1000
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 23:03 +1000
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-31 09:07 +1000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 03:41 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 22:54 +1000
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 16:37 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 20:40 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 19:47 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:45 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 03:27 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-27 13:17 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 03:31 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:26 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 00:53 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:29 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 09:24 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:30 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:27 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:13 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 15:06 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:01 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:09 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:51 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:08 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 10:16 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 03:13 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 15:16 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 10:46 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:14 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:15 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 19:04 +0100
                                                                                                                      Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:58 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 06:30 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:18 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 19:43 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:34 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:43 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:13 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                Halogen lamps. [Was: Soldered connections.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:36 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Halogen lamps. [Was: Soldered connections.] Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2025-09-03 15:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 02:03 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 08:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:45 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-04 03:28 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 08:00 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:16 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Soldered connections. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-09-01 19:28 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 21:49 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:38 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:41 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:32 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Soldered connections. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:15 +0100
                                                                                                                              Storey "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:28 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 21:59 +1000
                                                                                                                                Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 00:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:17 +1000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 12:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:46 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:03 +1000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:27 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Soldered connections. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-03 08:19 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 07:58 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Soldered connections. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-03 08:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Soldered connections. Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-02 15:24 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 17:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: Soldered connections. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-02 11:50 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:27 +1000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 19:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:28 +1000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:34 +1000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 07:49 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:29 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:36 +1000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:07 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-04 03:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-04 12:00 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 11:28 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-04 22:36 +1000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 13:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: Soldered connections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-04 17:53 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-04 18:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 03:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 21:20 +1000
                                                                                                                                Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 19:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:36 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Floors [Was: Soldered connections.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Floors [Was: Soldered connections.] Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:12 +1000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:57 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Soldered connections. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:08 +1000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:10 +1000
                                                                                                                              Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 19:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Soldered connections. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Soldered connections. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:55 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Soldered connections. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 19:39 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 23:07 +1000
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:31 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 04:07 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:54 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:47 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 20:49 +1000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:28 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:26 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 04:10 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 01:09 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:29 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 21:46 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:24 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 21:46 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 01:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Non glamorous military things "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:38 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:25 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 21:05 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 04:35 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-08-29 11:10 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:23 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:21 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 22:28 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 08:01 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 04:52 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 19:50 +0000
                                                                                                                      Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-30 21:30 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 23:01 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-31 07:49 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: Electricity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-31 17:22 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Electricity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-31 21:22 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-31 22:51 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-08-31 22:31 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-01 08:38 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 04:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 10:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 06:35 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:31 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:07 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 22:36 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 05:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:36 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:21 -0400
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:32 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:46 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:09 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:41 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 22:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 05:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:10 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:40 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 05:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 02:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:55 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:55 +0200
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 21:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-04 12:08 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-03 07:46 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Beds [Was: Electricity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys)] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 19:49 +0200
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Beds [Was: Electricity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys)] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-04 02:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 21:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-03 15:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 09:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 21:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:41 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 11:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 13:24 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:32 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:49 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 02:25 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 04:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:47 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:04 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:23 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 06:48 -0400
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:42 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 05:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 01:52 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 08:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 06:20 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:24 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:28 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 07:43 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:10 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 00:40 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 08:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                      House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:59 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:47 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 05:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-02 23:08 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 03:06 -0400
                                                                                                                                                Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:04 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 09:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:07 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 13:21 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 20:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: House fauna [Was: Electricity Supply] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 09:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 23:53 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-03 04:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 08:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 04:46 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-04 01:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 02:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 04:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 05:13 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-02 21:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 05:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 00:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:13 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-01 12:10 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 04:05 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-09-01 09:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 17:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 11:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 12:17 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-02 13:09 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 13:39 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 00:40 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 11:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 11:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-06 14:16 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 13:22 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-06 15:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:08 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 19:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 00:52 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 09:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 00:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 11:11 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:37 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 06:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 11:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 21:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 09:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 10:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 06:27 -0400
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 11:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 06:55 -0400
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-06 02:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 10:32 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-06 13:06 -0400
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-06 20:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-06 13:28 -0700
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-06 20:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-06 21:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 23:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-07 00:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 13:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 15:37 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-09-07 11:25 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 16:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-09-07 16:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electricity Supply Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-07 13:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-07 21:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electricity Supply Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-07 16:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 12:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 12:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-08 17:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 19:17 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-08 23:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electricity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 04:52 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 10:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-09 19:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electricity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 16:53 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 01:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electricity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 22:42 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electricity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-10 20:00 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 10:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electricity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 12:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 18:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-07 13:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 11:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-08 12:17 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-07 00:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-07 00:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 03:08 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 08:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 05:03 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 11:25 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 07:14 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 11:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 00:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-09 02:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-09 04:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 10:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-09 13:34 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 16:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 10:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-09 14:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-09 16:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-10 03:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-10 09:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-07 11:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 15:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-09-07 11:19 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 16:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-07 00:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 04:22 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 11:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 06:51 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 01:29 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 01:12 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-07 11:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 06:58 -0400
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-06 23:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 00:31 -0400
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-07 00:28 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:16 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 15:17 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 10:41 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-01 23:02 +1000
                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-01 14:34 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 22:07 +1000
                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 14:13 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-02 08:28 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 20:11 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 19:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-02 22:06 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:00 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 23:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-03 11:00 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:30 +1000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:57 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-05 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-06 04:45 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 10:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 05:57 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 11:37 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-05 20:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:45 +1000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-05 20:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 10:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-06 10:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 11:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-06 13:54 -0400
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-07 23:48 +1000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-06 21:29 +1000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 12:37 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:41 +1000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-03 14:59 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-04 22:42 +1000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-04 18:02 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-05 23:38 +1000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-05 18:45 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 19:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:34 +1000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 08:53 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-03 21:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-04 22:45 +1000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 17:09 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 22:20 +1000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 08:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-03 17:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-04 23:03 +1000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-04 18:06 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 19:25 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 04:03 -0400
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 09:22 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 08:09 -0400
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-05 23:57 +1000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 19:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 05:10 -0400
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 10:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 05:46 -0400
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 11:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 06:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 12:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-05 23:44 +1000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 19:36 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-06 21:35 +1000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 12:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-06 22:26 +1000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-06 17:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-04 19:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-05 03:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-05 09:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-06 00:12 +1000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-06 00:10 +1000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-05 20:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-02 15:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-02 15:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-02 21:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-03 01:08 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 23:03 +1000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Electicity Supply (Re: Pickup trucks for city boys) Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-03 23:00 +1000
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:34 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-31 14:32 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-29 18:19 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-29 12:15 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 20:21 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 04:20 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-30 02:19 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 21:45 +1000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-31 18:49 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-01 23:08 +1000
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-20 17:17 +0000
                                                                                                        [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-27 10:20 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-27 22:22 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:08 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 10:26 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 06:15 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 12:24 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 08:48 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 17:35 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:36 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 10:05 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 21:33 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:22 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-28 17:32 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-29 08:18 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 11:02 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-28 12:54 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 23:43 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 03:58 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 01:24 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-29 08:19 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-29 04:49 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-09-20 17:26 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 14:51 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 16:59 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 12:10 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-29 08:17 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] Electric trucks (Europe) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 13:55 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] Electric trucks (Europe) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-29 14:25 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] Electric trucks (Europe) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-29 16:30 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 19:37 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 23:04 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:29 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 09:20 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-26 04:23 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 08:54 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 19:40 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:35 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 12:59 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 21:53 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 14:03 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 22:14 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:09 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-27 22:46 +1000
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-27 20:57 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 23:11 +1000
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-28 18:35 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Pickup trucks for city boys c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 01:16 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-28 13:38 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-28 23:19 +1000
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Tim Slattery <TimSlattery@utexas.edu> - 2025-08-28 10:06 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-29 21:02 +1000
                                                                                                                        Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 23:51 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-30 23:55 +1000
                                                                                                                    Re: Pickup trucks for city boys The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-28 17:31 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-29 06:50 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:33 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Pickup trucks for city boys rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 04:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 00:51 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-21 12:47 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 09:49 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-22 20:45 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:58 +0100
                                                                                            Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-22 22:46 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 22:03 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 05:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-23 11:32 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 04:11 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-23 11:38 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 02:27 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 05:07 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 03:04 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Electric 2CV [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 22:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 01:17 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 20:54 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 23:21 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 05:01 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-24 14:38 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 21:06 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-21 19:04 +0000
                                                                                High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-21 22:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 00:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-22 11:58 +0200
                                                                                    Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-22 13:45 +0000
                                                                                      Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-22 20:47 +0200
                                                                                      Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 19:46 +0000
                                                                                    Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 19:42 +0000
                                                                                      Re: High Fidelity (or maybe not?) - Car Radios c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 01:45 -0400
                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 17:21 +0000
                                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-20 19:50 +0000
                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-19 23:30 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 21:23 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 01:34 -0400
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-10 06:48 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 11:44 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-09 22:38 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 08:59 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 20:22 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 23:46 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-08 15:37 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-08 20:06 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-08 23:02 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 00:40 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-08 22:58 -0400
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 04:49 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-09 14:06 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 21:58 +0000
                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 13:33 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-10 19:57 +0000
                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-11 01:04 +0200
                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-10 23:12 -0400
                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-17 13:50 +0200
                                                  Good Old DOS and Ancient Windows: TSR Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-21 22:35 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-08-11 10:32 +0000
                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:34 +0100
                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-09 22:35 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-09 14:12 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 21:23 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 00:29 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 10:06 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-09 14:02 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-07 02:56 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-07 08:07 +0100
                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-07 03:55 -0400
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-07 10:59 +0100
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 20:39 +0000
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 06:49 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-08 17:58 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 00:53 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 11:27 +0100
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 11:27 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 19:06 +0800
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-07 10:45 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 17:47 +0800
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-08 12:03 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 18:12 +0800
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-08 12:43 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-08 15:43 +0100
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 23:40 +0800
                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-08 20:53 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-08 20:43 +0100
                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 00:15 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 00:07 +0100
                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-08 22:53 -0400
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 23:45 +0800
                                [OT] Minix "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 23:55 +0800
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 21:23 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-08 14:23 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 10:38 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 12:48 +0100
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 21:21 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 10:22 +0100
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 22:17 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 10:26 +0100
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-09 22:32 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-08 15:38 +0100
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 21:20 +0000
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 00:34 +0000
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 11:35 +0100
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 21:48 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-08-12 09:36 +0100
                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 08:18 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 14:02 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 06:46 +0000
                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 08:18 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 21:19 +0000
                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-08 14:49 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 00:30 +0100
                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 11:21 +0100
                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-09 23:24 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 10:23 +0100
                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 13:36 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-10 12:42 +0000
                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-10 12:58 +0000
                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 15:53 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-10 15:12 +0000
                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 19:12 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-11 12:05 +0100
                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-11 18:28 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 20:58 +0000
                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-12 01:42 -0400
                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-12 19:55 +0000
                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:41 +0100
                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-12 18:47 +0000
                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-12 19:59 +0000
                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-12 16:47 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 02:36 +0000
                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 09:50 -0700
                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-13 19:34 +0000
                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 14:38 -0700
                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 10:52 +0100
                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-13 03:04 +0000
                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 06:16 +0000
                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-13 05:22 -0400
                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 11:39 +0100
                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-13 19:34 +0000
                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 01:00 -0400
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 12:19 +0100
                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 20:02 +0000
                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 00:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 11:06 +0100
                                                                      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 19:34 +0000
                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-14 19:49 +0000
                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 12:16 +0100
                                                                        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-14 13:04 -0700
                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 02:19 -0400
                                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-15 13:56 -0700
                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 09:35 +0000
                                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-16 14:05 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 15:37 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 06:52 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 06:37 +0000
                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 11:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 00:55 +0000
                                                                              Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-16 02:19 -0400
                                                                                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 08:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 07:54 +0000

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#70313

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-08-04 04:12 +0000
Message-ID<mfaq9uFu1veU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70311
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 02:53:46 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> NUC is another example, this time trying to compete with the Raspberry
> Pi in the “Maker” market, only this one was in totally the wrong price
> bracket. No wonder it didn’t stand a chance.

You always say that. How many GPIO, PWM, A/D, SPI, or I2C pins did the NUC 
bring out? What good is a NUC for makers if you can't even read a pot and 
change the neopixel display to match?

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#70317

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-08-04 07:05 +0000
Message-ID<mfb4csFocgU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70313
On 4 Aug 2025 04:12:46 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<mfaq9uFu1veU2@mid.individual.net>:

> On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 02:53:46 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> NUC is another example, this time trying to compete with the Raspberry
>> Pi in the “Maker” market, only this one was in totally the wrong price
>> bracket. No wonder it didn’t stand a chance.
> 
> You always say that. How many GPIO, PWM, A/D, SPI, or I2C pins did the NUC 
> bring out? What good is a NUC for makers if you can't even read a pot and 
> change the neopixel display to match?

Seems to me that NUC was to compete with the Mac Mini.

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G
   OS: Linux 6.16.0 D: Mint 22.1 DE: Xfce 4.18 
   NVIDIA: 575.64.05 Mem: 258G
   "Space is an illusion, disk space doubly so."

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#70321

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-08-04 08:26 +0000
Message-ID<mfb969F22aiU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70317
On 4 Aug 2025 07:05:00 GMT, vallor wrote:

> On 4 Aug 2025 04:12:46 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
> <mfaq9uFu1veU2@mid.individual.net>:
> 
>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 02:53:46 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> 
>>> NUC is another example, this time trying to compete with the Raspberry
>>> Pi in the “Maker” market, only this one was in totally the wrong price
>>> bracket. No wonder it didn’t stand a chance.
>> 
>> You always say that. How many GPIO, PWM, A/D, SPI, or I2C pins did the
>> NUC bring out? What good is a NUC for makers if you can't even read a
>> pot and change the neopixel display to match?
> 
> Seems to me that NUC was to compete with the Mac Mini.

We bought a Mac Mini at work to compile an app for IPhones. The form got 
me interested so I bought a Beelink as an experiment. It has a AMD Ryzen 7 
4700U so it is more powerful than some of the cheaper offerings with the 
Intel N150 processors. The experiment worked out well. The iPhone 
experiment, however, was shelved. 

Intel definitely took inspiration from the Mac Mini and now a number of 
companies are copying the concept. 

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#70319

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-08-04 09:05 +0100
Message-ID<106ppjp$2202p$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70311
On 2025-08-04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 22:24:38 -0400, Paul wrote:
>
>> That means that originally, the SE SKU might never have got off
>> the ground.
>
> It wasn’t just another SKU with a different price (and licence), it 
> actually had built-in functional limitations to ensure it was not 
> competing with regular, full-fat Windows.
>
> Unfortunately, those limitations did little or nothing to reduce its 
> resource usage.

Wait, so the SE edition isn't a separate system like "Fundamentals for
Legacy PCs" in the NT 5.1 era? Or it's just that they weren't able to
make it use sufficiently less resources even with a separate system?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#70323

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-08-04 06:16 -0400
Message-ID<106q1a2$23o4n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70319
On Mon, 8/4/2025 4:05 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2025-08-04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 22:24:38 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> That means that originally, the SE SKU might never have got off
>>> the ground.
>>
>> It wasn’t just another SKU with a different price (and licence), it 
>> actually had built-in functional limitations to ensure it was not 
>> competing with regular, full-fat Windows.
>>
>> Unfortunately, those limitations did little or nothing to reduce its 
>> resource usage.
> 
> Wait, so the SE edition isn't a separate system like "Fundamentals for
> Legacy PCs" in the NT 5.1 era? Or it's just that they weren't able to
> make it use sufficiently less resources even with a separate system?
> 

It's not a wonder-pony.

The OS isn't helping.

Since they were providing both HW and SW, they could have noticed
the slow performance and done something about it. It didn't have to be
a OLPC experience. Or a vacuum tube computer, an Eniac.

It's a product designed to a price point.

*******

Here is a review.

https://www.theverge.com/22996164/microsoft-surface-laptop-se-review-education

    MICROSOFT SURFACE LAPTOP SE SPECS (AS REVIEWED)

    Processor: Intel Celeron N4120
    Memory: 8GB DDR4
    Storage: 128GB eMMC  <=== Should have had better storage (but limited PCIe lanes available on SOC)
    Weight: 2.45 lbs
    Dimensions: 11.17 x 7.6 x 0.70 inches
    Battery: 35Wh
    Display: 11.6-inch TFT Liquid Crystal Display Module, 1366 x 768 (16:9) <=== go ahead, try and find a worse display
    Camera: 1MP front-facing camera with up to 720p 30fps video

The processor apparently turbos on one core. It's a 6 watt processor.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/197309/intel-celeron-processor-n4120-4m-cache-up-to-2-60-ghz/specifications.html

    4C 4T
    Burst Frequency            2.60 GHz
    Processor Base Frequency   1.10 GHz
    Price $107

N150        Multithread CPUmark 5480  Single thread 1913   # Would likely shorten battery life, if used instead
M4120       Multithread CPUmark 2462  Single thread 1072   # Neither scales very well
(Positive note - they're faster than my E8400 :-) )

Another thing you could do, is take Windows Defender off it.

   Paul

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#70333

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2025-08-04 09:45 -0700
Message-ID<20250804094511.00003aeb@gmail.com>
In reply to#70311
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 02:53:46 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> It wasn’t just another SKU with a different price (and licence), it 
> actually had built-in functional limitations to ensure it was not 
> competing with regular, full-fat Windows.
> 
> Unfortunately, those limitations did little or nothing to reduce its 
> resource usage.

Not surprising; Windows 11 is an absolute pig, worse even than 10
(which you can at least trim down with a little effort.) 8 GB is barely
enough to run the OS itself without swapping, and four threads/cores is
the absolute bare minimum - it's utterly unusable on a Core 2 Duo.

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#70338

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-08-04 20:37 +0200
Message-ID<38b7mlxtv4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70333
On 2025-08-04 18:45, John Ames wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 02:53:46 -0000 (UTC)
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> It wasn’t just another SKU with a different price (and licence), it
>> actually had built-in functional limitations to ensure it was not
>> competing with regular, full-fat Windows.
>>
>> Unfortunately, those limitations did little or nothing to reduce its
>> resource usage.
> 
> Not surprising; Windows 11 is an absolute pig, worse even than 10
> (which you can at least trim down with a little effort.) 8 GB is barely
> enough to run the OS itself without swapping, and four threads/cores is
> the absolute bare minimum - it's utterly unusable on a Core 2 Duo.

I have it on a virtual machine with two cores and 4 GB (75GB disk). 
Works fine.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#70341

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-08-04 15:13 -0400
Message-ID<106r0p8$2bi17$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70333
On Mon, 8/4/2025 12:45 PM, John Ames wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 02:53:46 -0000 (UTC)
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> It wasn’t just another SKU with a different price (and licence), it 
>> actually had built-in functional limitations to ensure it was not 
>> competing with regular, full-fat Windows.
>>
>> Unfortunately, those limitations did little or nothing to reduce its 
>> resource usage.
> 
> Not surprising; Windows 11 is an absolute pig, worse even than 10
> (which you can at least trim down with a little effort.) 8 GB is barely
> enough to run the OS itself without swapping, and four threads/cores is
> the absolute bare minimum - it's utterly unusable on a Core 2 Duo.
> 

I don't think it swaps!

Let's ask the AI a loaded question, and see what it decides. Of course
you can't actually ask a question, when you write the answer for it like this :-)

   Compare the virtual memory swap behavior of Windows XP versus Windows 11.
   Does Windows 11 actually use the pagefile regularly, and in an organized
   manner, or is the pagefile only used for "emergency" purposes ? The
   Windows 11 Memory Compressor provides somewhat of a cushion for virtual
   memory management.

Now, having thought about it a bit, I now realize that my test strategy was
wrong. I have been programming the pagefile.sys behavior on each machine
I install -- and by doing that, I have "truncated" the true behavior. Seeing
the AI explain it in the flowery language that follows, made me realize I
was cutting off the behavior I wished to study, by altering the materials
BEFORE doing the test :-/ Dumbass!

My pagefile alteration, is to fix the pagesize and make it non-expandable,
and then when I use my malloc test program, it "stops on a dime".

Here is a picture of the Memory Compressor. Because they damaged the metadata
on it, you cannot see an item of that name, in W11 Task Manager, But
Process Explorer shows it. It's still there, and if studying a box running
under low memory conditions, you'd use Process Explorer to notice the rate
it is running at.

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/bYGkyWmd/W11-Memory-Compressor.gif

Also, what the description tells you, is under low memory conditions, there
is less CPU available for your usage. I have tested in a VM, what happens
at extremely low memory, and the Memory Compressor task is railed on one
core when you do that. On a quad core, the other three cores remain, but on
the 4120 processor, maybe half of the compute power is now yours (the gutless
quads don't scale).

*********** CoPilot answer to question       **********

## Windows XP: Traditional Virtual Memory Management

Windows XP relied heavily on the **pagefile** (`pagefile.sys`) for virtual memory management:

- **Pagefile Usage**:
  - Used regularly to extend RAM capacity.
  - Default recommendation: 1.5x to 2x the size of physical RAM.
  - System-managed pagefile could grow/shrink dynamically, but many users preferred fixed sizes to avoid fragmentation.

- **Swap Behavior**:
  - When RAM was full, XP would swap inactive pages to disk.
  - No compression or advanced memory optimization—just a straightforward swap to disk.

- **Performance Implications**:
  - Heavy reliance on disk I/O when RAM was exhausted.
  - Fragmented pagefiles could degrade performance.
  - No built-in memory compression or prioritization of active apps.

## Windows 11: Smarter, Layered Memory Management

Windows 11 introduces **multiple layers** of memory optimization, making pagefile usage more strategic:

### Pagefile Behavior

- **Still Used Regularly**:
  - Windows 11 **actively uses the pagefile**, not just for emergencies.
  - It stores modified pages that are not frequently accessed, freeing RAM for active tasks.
  - Pagefile size is **automatically managed** by default, but can be customized.

- **Dynamic Adjustment**:
  - Pagefile size adjusts based on workload and available RAM.
  - Manual tuning is possible, especially for high-performance or low-RAM systems.

### Memory Compression

- **Introduced in Windows 10, Enhanced in Windows 11**:
  - Compresses memory pages before swapping them to disk.
  - Reduces the need to use the pagefile by keeping more data in RAM.
  - Acts as a **cushion** between RAM and disk-based virtual memory.

- **Benefits**:
  - Faster access to compressed memory than disk-based pagefile.
  - Reduces disk I/O and improves responsiveness under memory pressure.

## Summary Comparison

| Feature                    | Windows XP                          | Windows 11                             |
|----------------------------|-------------------------------------|----------------------------------------|
| Pagefile Usage             | Regular, essential                  | Regular, but more strategic            |
| Pagefile Management        | Manual or system-managed            | Auto-managed with manual override      |
| Memory Compression         | X (Not available)                   | Yes (Built-in, reduces pagefile usage) |
| Swap Behavior              | Direct swap to disk                 | Compress → Swap if needed              |
| Performance Optimization   | Limited                             | Advanced (compression, prioritization) |
| RAM Prioritization         | Basic                               | Foreground apps prioritized            |

## Final Thoughts

Windows 11 doesn't treat the pagefile as an "emergency-only" tool—it’s a **core part of memory management**,
but now it's **augmented by compression and smarter prioritization**. The Memory Compressor allows the system
to delay or reduce reliance on disk-based swapping, improving performance and responsiveness.

https://www.geeksinphoenix.com/blog/post/2010/11/03/Managing-Virtual-Memory-Pagefile-in-Windows-XP
https://community.spiceworks.com/t/windows-xp-virtual-memory-settings-what-do-you-use/53566
https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/how-to-manage-virtual-memory-on-windows-11
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/manage-virtual-memory-paging-file-in-windows-11.8618/
https://www.supportyourtech.com/tech/how-to-change-page-file-size-in-windows-11-a-step-by-step-guide/
[ https://bing.com/search?q=Windows+11+Memory+Compressor+virtual+memory+management ]

*********** End: CoPilot answer to question  **********

   Paul

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#70342

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2025-08-04 12:38 -0700
Message-ID<20250804123851.0000236a@gmail.com>
In reply to#70341
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 15:13:43 -0400
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> > Not surprising; Windows 11 is an absolute pig, worse even than 10
> > (which you can at least trim down with a little effort.) 8 GB is
> > barely enough to run the OS itself without swapping, and four
> > threads/cores is the absolute bare minimum - it's utterly unusable
> > on a Core 2 Duo. 
> 
> I don't think it swaps!
> 
> Let's ask the AI a loaded question, and see what it decides.

"AI" doesn't understand anything about anything; you might as well ask
a parrot. As for Windows memory compression, while it may indeed reduce
swapping compared to the same system with memory compression disabled,
it definitely doesn't *eliminate* it - you can tell that easy enough by
watching disk activity in Resource Monitor while memory-intensive
applications are running. And it exacts a price in CPU load, too, which
is another area where these systems are under-specced.

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#70343

From"s|b" <me@privacy.invalid>
Date2025-08-04 22:00 +0200
Message-ID<mfchq8F8pmeU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#70342
On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 12:38:51 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> "AI" doesn't understand anything about anything; you might as well ask
> a parrot. 

That is, if the parrot can do probabilities. (-;

-- 
s|b

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#70344

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2025-08-04 13:20 -0700
Message-ID<20250804132045.00006f8b@gmail.com>
In reply to#70343
On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 22:00:15 +0200
"s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> > "AI" doesn't understand anything about anything; you might as well
> > ask a parrot.   
> 
> That is, if the parrot can do probabilities. (-;

Parrots are, in fact, famed for their ability to make statistical
associations between specific vocalizations and cracker delivery.

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#70345

FromBobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Date2025-08-04 14:38 -0700
Message-ID<106r98n$2dbrn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70344

On 8/4/25 13:20, John Ames wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 22:00:15 +0200
> "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>> "AI" doesn't understand anything about anything; you might as well
>>> ask a parrot.
>>
>> That is, if the parrot can do probabilities. (-;
> 
> Parrots are, in fact, famed for their ability to make statistical
> associations between specific vocalizations and cracker delivery.
> 

	
	They also can dance very well for a bird.  Can AI do that yet?

	A parrot can add to its movement repertory over time finding
new moves.  Will AI do that?
	
	bliss - who is somewhat naturally intelligent but cannot dance much
any longer.
	
	

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#70347

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2025-08-04 19:34 -0400
Message-ID<106rg2a$2evdn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70345
On Mon, 8/4/2025 5:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 8/4/25 13:20, John Ames wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 22:00:15 +0200
>> "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> "AI" doesn't understand anything about anything; you might as well
>>>> ask a parrot.
>>>
>>> That is, if the parrot can do probabilities. (-;
>>
>> Parrots are, in fact, famed for their ability to make statistical
>> associations between specific vocalizations and cracker delivery.
>>
> 
>     
>     They also can dance very well for a bird.  Can AI do that yet?
> 
>     A parrot can add to its movement repertory over time finding
> new moves.  Will AI do that?
>     
>     bliss - who is somewhat naturally intelligent but cannot dance much
> any longer.
>     
>     

They're making progress. This is the electric Atlas, the follow on to the
hydraulic Atlas that fell off the plank it was walking on.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44_zbEwz_w

That's not path planning from first principles (AI thinking
up things to do). That's still a transfer process using software
and a visual simulator on the screen, so they can tweak the things
it is doing.

But in terms of mechanical details, that thing is miles ahead of
the competition. The competition have motors that kind of glitch
several times a second, and that's because they are attempting to use
closed loop feedback and "correct the movement towards an objective",
by "recomputing the solution" maybe 3-10 times a second. The end result,
is the competitors movements are not "smooth".

At some point, they will meld the various technical bits, and
maybe some day Atlas will bolt itself to one of the AI companies
for higher level functions.

When Atlas lands, after performing a stunt, it will move its foot
backwards an inch or two, or incline its foot to restore its balance,
all without using an excess of the other motors on the limbs. It is
applying feedback, but it is not apparent how it is doing that.
So while at some level, the software is coordinating a flip (as a
kind of set piece), some part of the software is computing custom
feedback so the poor thing does not fall over. And you can tell from
the fluidity of the movement, that the package is pretty well tuned.

That's the robot Musk wishes he had.

Boston Dynamics is owned by SoftBank, and has signed some kind of
pledge about not weaponizing it. So while their equipment will haul
military packs around, the devices (like that Atlas), will not be picking
up a rifle or machine gun.

   "In October 2022, the company signed a pledge saying it
    would not support any weaponization of its robotic creations."

The robot would be only too happy to hand you your gun :-)

   Paul

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#72999

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-09-02 12:58 +0200
Message-ID<38violx66u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#70347
On 2025-08-05 01:34, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 8/4/2025 5:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/25 13:20, John Ames wrote:
>>> On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 22:00:15 +0200
>>> "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> "AI" doesn't understand anything about anything; you might as well
>>>>> ask a parrot.
>>>>
>>>> That is, if the parrot can do probabilities. (-;
>>>
>>> Parrots are, in fact, famed for their ability to make statistical
>>> associations between specific vocalizations and cracker delivery.
>>>
>>
>>      
>>      They also can dance very well for a bird.  Can AI do that yet?
>>
>>      A parrot can add to its movement repertory over time finding
>> new moves.  Will AI do that?
>>      
>>      bliss - who is somewhat naturally intelligent but cannot dance much
>> any longer.
>>      
>>      
> 
> They're making progress. This is the electric Atlas, the follow on to the
> hydraulic Atlas that fell off the plank it was walking on.
> 
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44_zbEwz_w

Impressive.

> 
> That's not path planning from first principles (AI thinking
> up things to do). That's still a transfer process using software
> and a visual simulator on the screen, so they can tweak the things
> it is doing.
> 
> But in terms of mechanical details, that thing is miles ahead of
> the competition. The competition have motors that kind of glitch
> several times a second, and that's because they are attempting to use
> closed loop feedback and "correct the movement towards an objective",
> by "recomputing the solution" maybe 3-10 times a second. The end result,
> is the competitors movements are not "smooth".
> 
> At some point, they will meld the various technical bits, and
> maybe some day Atlas will bolt itself to one of the AI companies
> for higher level functions.
> 
> When Atlas lands, after performing a stunt, it will move its foot
> backwards an inch or two, or incline its foot to restore its balance,
> all without using an excess of the other motors on the limbs. It is
> applying feedback, but it is not apparent how it is doing that.
> So while at some level, the software is coordinating a flip (as a
> kind of set piece), some part of the software is computing custom
> feedback so the poor thing does not fall over. And you can tell from
> the fluidity of the movement, that the package is pretty well tuned.
> 
> That's the robot Musk wishes he had.
> 
> Boston Dynamics is owned by SoftBank, and has signed some kind of
> pledge about not weaponizing it. So while their equipment will haul
> military packs around, the devices (like that Atlas), will not be picking
> up a rifle or machine gun.
> 
>     "In October 2022, the company signed a pledge saying it
>      would not support any weaponization of its robotic creations."

If the robot ends being flexible, someone will teach them to shoot as 
aftermarket addon.

> 
> The robot would be only too happy to hand you your gun :-)
> 
>     Paul


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#73009

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-09-02 08:19 -0400
Message-ID<pkmdnaQCsIwmfSv1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#72999
On 9/2/25 6:58 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-08-05 01:34, Paul wrote:
>> On Mon, 8/4/2025 5:38 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/4/25 13:20, John Ames wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 22:00:15 +0200
>>>> "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> "AI" doesn't understand anything about anything; you might as well
>>>>>> ask a parrot.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is, if the parrot can do probabilities. (-;
>>>>
>>>> Parrots are, in fact, famed for their ability to make statistical
>>>> associations between specific vocalizations and cracker delivery.
>>>>
>>>
>>>      They also can dance very well for a bird.  Can AI do that yet?
>>>
>>>      A parrot can add to its movement repertory over time finding
>>> new moves.  Will AI do that?
>>>      bliss - who is somewhat naturally intelligent but cannot dance much
>>> any longer.
>>
>> They're making progress. This is the electric Atlas, the follow on to the
>> hydraulic Atlas that fell off the plank it was walking on.
>>
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44_zbEwz_w
> 
> Impressive.
> 
>>
>> That's not path planning from first principles (AI thinking
>> up things to do). That's still a transfer process using software
>> and a visual simulator on the screen, so they can tweak the things
>> it is doing.
>>
>> But in terms of mechanical details, that thing is miles ahead of
>> the competition. The competition have motors that kind of glitch
>> several times a second, and that's because they are attempting to use
>> closed loop feedback and "correct the movement towards an objective",
>> by "recomputing the solution" maybe 3-10 times a second. The end result,
>> is the competitors movements are not "smooth".
>>
>> At some point, they will meld the various technical bits, and
>> maybe some day Atlas will bolt itself to one of the AI companies
>> for higher level functions.
>>
>> When Atlas lands, after performing a stunt, it will move its foot
>> backwards an inch or two, or incline its foot to restore its balance,
>> all without using an excess of the other motors on the limbs. It is
>> applying feedback, but it is not apparent how it is doing that.
>> So while at some level, the software is coordinating a flip (as a
>> kind of set piece), some part of the software is computing custom
>> feedback so the poor thing does not fall over. And you can tell from
>> the fluidity of the movement, that the package is pretty well tuned.
>>
>> That's the robot Musk wishes he had.
>>
>> Boston Dynamics is owned by SoftBank, and has signed some kind of
>> pledge about not weaponizing it. So while their equipment will haul
>> military packs around, the devices (like that Atlas), will not be picking
>> up a rifle or machine gun.
>>
>>     "In October 2022, the company signed a pledge saying it
>>      would not support any weaponization of its robotic creations."
> 
> If the robot ends being flexible, someone will teach them to shoot as 
> aftermarket addon.


   Yep ... probably already have  :-)

   The robots ARE graceful. Alas they also come with
   a thick wire to the mainframe. The algos are not
   "in their heads". Unclear whether even 6-G could
   provide enough real-time control.

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#73201

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse>
Date2025-09-03 20:53 +1000
Message-ID<10996m3$13inn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#73009
On 2/09/2025 10:19 pm, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/2/25 6:58 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-08-05 01:34, Paul wrote:

<Snip>

>>>     "In October 2022, the company signed a pledge saying it
>>>      would not support any weaponization of its robotic creations."
>>
>> If the robot ends being flexible, someone will teach them to shoot as 
>> aftermarket addon.
> 
> 
>    Yep ... probably already have  :-)
> 
>    The robots ARE graceful. Alas they also come with
>    a thick wire to the mainframe. The algos are not
>    "in their heads". Unclear whether even 6-G could
>    provide enough real-time control.

Just last night, I was watching a clip (on T.V.??) that showed a 
Humanoid Robot jumping around on stage doing "Break-dancing" type 
manoveours, hand stands, etc, Impressed the hell out of me!!

No wires attached .... Radio-controlled, though .....!
-- 
Daniel70

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#73302

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-09-03 18:57 +0000
Message-ID<mhrhc0Fg9rfU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#73201
On Wed, 3 Sep 2025 20:53:24 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

> Just last night, I was watching a clip (on T.V.??) that showed a
> Humanoid Robot jumping around on stage doing "Break-dancing" type
> manoveours, hand stands, etc, Impressed the hell out of me!!
> 
> No wires attached .... Radio-controlled, though .....!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unimate

A GE plant where I was setting up a molding system had several in the die 
casting area. I loved watching them and envisioning the future. No Wifi 
obviously. They were programmed with a pendant sort of like the ones used 
to control overhead cranes that took some of the magic out of it.

https://docs.sunfounder.com/projects/pidog/en/latest/

Not the same league but it is programmable with Python. I usually use ssh 
but since it is a Pi 3+ a remote desktop can be used. The cat decides she 
wants to be someplace else when it crouches down and growls at her, even 
if it is wagging its tail. 

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#73064

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-09-02 20:06 +0000
Message-ID<mhp11mF2s5dU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#72999
On Tue, 2 Sep 2025 12:58:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> If the robot ends being flexible, someone will teach them to shoot as
> aftermarket addon.

Certainly. A couple of years ago I went to a police open house in Helena. 
Despite being the capitol it's only around 30,000 people. One of the 
displays was their bomb squad robot. The operator was very proud that he 
could mount a 12 gauge shotgun and fire it remotely if all else failed. 

They also had a MRAP just in case. It did not have a M240 gun mounted on 
the turret but they may have taken it off for the open house.

The drone was nice too but it didn't seem to have a weapon mount, but then 
again this was a family friendly open house.

Keep in mind this is Podunk USA not a big city with a big budget. 

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#73003

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse>
Date2025-09-02 21:31 +1000
Message-ID<1096kgq$fe8u$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#70347
On 5/08/2025 9:34 am, Paul wrote:

<Snip>

> The robot would be only too *happy* to hand you your gun :-)
> 
>     Paul
> 
WHAT?? Have 'they' given robots feeling now?? ;-)
-- 
Daniel70

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#73010

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-09-02 08:22 -0400
Message-ID<_pmcnQSeSd4KfCv1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#73003
On 9/2/25 7:31 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 5/08/2025 9:34 am, Paul wrote:
> 
> <Snip>
> 
>> The robot would be only too *happy* to hand you your gun :-)
>>
>>     Paul
>>
> WHAT?? Have 'they' given robots feeling now?? ;-)

   Oddly, "e-motion" is probably not that hard, about
   a four or five dimensional 'e-space' where the
   pointer moves around in response to real-world
   influences and likewise influences responses
   and actions.

   Humans can have two or three emotions at the same
   time. That can likely be simulated as well.

   Now APPROPRIATE e-motion, well, humans often don't
   get THAT right .....

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