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Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-20 02:12 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-20 12:38 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-20 13:30 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 12:33 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-20 13:52 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-20 14:10 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-08-20 16:16 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-08-26 19:23 +1000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-27 19:49 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-27 20:37 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-28 08:56 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 03:57 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-28 10:12 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 04:21 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-28 12:05 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-28 06:28 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-08-28 11:13 +0300
Re: Old Hardware Redux Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-28 12:07 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> - 2025-08-28 18:58 +1000
Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-20 21:02 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 09:04 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-30 15:09 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-30 17:51 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-30 22:43 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-21 07:54 +1000
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 10:11 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-21 11:51 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 11:31 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 11:45 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-21 13:29 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 12:49 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2025-08-21 13:44 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 14:28 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-21 21:30 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-21 13:05 -0700
Re: Old Hardware Redux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-21 22:21 +0200
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 11:03 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 09:50 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-22 22:31 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:40 +1000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 02:55 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 11:37 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-21 18:05 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:57 +1000
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-22 00:36 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:28 +1000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 09:46 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-22 19:45 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-23 00:01 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 04:53 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-23 10:50 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-23 10:22 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 02:25 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-24 19:19 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-23 20:21 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 10:55 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 20:02 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 12:30 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 18:13 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-26 10:41 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-24 22:14 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 01:09 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-24 10:58 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 20:12 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-24 14:33 -0700
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 01:47 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-24 21:12 -0700
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 04:34 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-24 21:49 -0700
Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-25 05:33 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-25 01:34 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 18:31 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-26 03:57 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:58 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 12:44 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 12:40 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 12:34 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 18:24 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-26 03:47 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 20:01 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-27 00:09 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-23 10:43 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 00:48 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-23 14:09 +1000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-23 06:59 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-23 13:02 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-24 09:13 +1000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-23 23:37 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 03:18 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-23 10:48 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-23 10:22 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-23 18:02 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-23 23:44 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-24 01:04 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-24 20:20 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-25 12:24 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-25 18:10 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-26 03:42 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-26 19:51 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-20 17:21 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-21 06:51 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 03:15 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 10:14 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-22 01:05 +0000
Re: Old Hardware Redux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-22 03:00 -0400
Re: Old Hardware Redux Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-21 10:45 +0100
Re: Old Hardware Redux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-21 18:15 +0000
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-22 02:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <RHadnW1v9dXDiTX1nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #71883 |
On 8/21/25 7:40 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2025-08-21 12:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 21/08/2025 11:31, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-21, Marco Moock wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 21.08.2025 07:54 Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> 10 year old technology is fine, Just not 20 year old... >>>>>> >>>>>> For posting to Usenet, this 30 year old PC is doing fine for me. >>>>> >>>>> How do you install a current OS on it that supports current network >>>>> protocols? >>>> >>>> You... install it? I guess not all OSes require bleeding edge hardware >>>> to run the setup? >>>> >>> A bleeding edge 1995 PC would be what? Early Pentium? >>> >>> Moderately OK and better than a 486 . >>> 32 bit *only* of course. >>> >>> Unlikely to be able to deal with more than 4GB RAM >> >> Heh, maybe 16 megs. > > 80MB actually, maxed out. Other Pentium 1 motherboards could take > much more, but only 24MB used now with a few windows open in X... > >>> Probably fine if you are not running a GUI and possibly good enough if >>> you are. >> >> Windows 3.11, Win 95, as long as it did not crash. Linux was considered >> an experiment. > > Win98 is installed too and runs well enough. Modern Linux in 80MB > RAM is probably an experiment from the Linux kernel dev's POV > today, but it was certainly meant to work properly in the past. > > BasicLinux (based on Slackware 4) runs X on a PC with 16MB RAM: > http://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/ > > Probably not possible to run X in 16MB RAM with current Linux > though. Even with a fully stripped-down custom kernel build, modern > Linux takes up way more RAM than it did back then. Try "SliTaz".
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-21 11:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1086st0$rgpt$20@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71834 |
On 21/08/2025 10:51, Marco Moock wrote: > On 21.08.2025 07:54 Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> 10 year old technology is fine, Just not 20 year old... >> >> For posting to Usenet, this 30 year old PC is doing fine for me. > > How do you install a current OS on it that supports current network > protocols? > Find an older version of some current Linux that supports 32bit I guess. TCP/IP and Usenet haven't changed in 30 years really... -- The higher up the mountainside The greener grows the grass. The higher up the monkey climbs The more he shows his arse. Traditional
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-21 18:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgp5epFmgqfU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71842 |
On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 11:37:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 21/08/2025 10:51, Marco Moock wrote: >> On 21.08.2025 07:54 Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> 10 year old technology is fine, Just not 20 year old... >>> >>> For posting to Usenet, this 30 year old PC is doing fine for me. >> >> How do you install a current OS on it that supports current network >> protocols? >> > Find an older version of some current Linux that supports 32bit I guess. > > TCP/IP and Usenet haven't changed in 30 years really... That windows is closing. My work Linux box is 32-bit Debian because I have to build 32-bit legacy software. To clarify, the hardware is 64-bit so it could run the 64-bit Bullseye distro, and gcc has flags to build 32-bit. The problem comes with libraries.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2025-08-22 09:57 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <68a7b270@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #71859 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > That windows is closing. My work Linux box is 32-bit Debian because I have > to build 32-bit legacy software. To clarify, the hardware is 64-bit so it > could run the 64-bit Bullseye distro, and gcc has flags to build 32-bit. > The problem comes with libraries. FWIW my newer laptop runs 64-bit Devuan but with 32bit x86 multiarch so 32bit libraries are installed too and can be used to build/run 32bit x86 software. So it runs a 64bit kernel and mostly 64bit software. Still there can be quirks, so there's a good argument for just going with a 32bit install if you're mainly using the box for building/running 32bit software. https://wiki.debian.org/CategoryMultiarch Of course that still relies on Debian/Devuan supporting 32bit packages. If they did stop, you would need to build all libraries from source for x86. How nasty that task is depends on how many dependencies you have for your 32bit builds. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-22 00:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgpsctFpunbU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71884 |
On 22 Aug 2025 09:57:36 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> That windows is closing. My work Linux box is 32-bit Debian because I >> have to build 32-bit legacy software. To clarify, the hardware is >> 64-bit so it could run the 64-bit Bullseye distro, and gcc has flags to >> build 32-bit. The problem comes with libraries. > > FWIW my newer laptop runs 64-bit Devuan but with 32bit x86 multiarch so > 32bit libraries are installed too and can be used to build/run 32bit x86 > software. So it runs a 64bit kernel and mostly 64bit software. > > Still there can be quirks, so there's a good argument for just going > with a 32bit install if you're mainly using the box for building/running > 32bit software. > > https://wiki.debian.org/CategoryMultiarch > > Of course that still relies on Debian/Devuan supporting 32bit packages. > If they did stop, you would need to build all libraries from source for > x86. How nasty that task is depends on how many dependencies you have > for your 32bit builds. It would have been nasty. The major obstacle was the ArcGIS Engine SDK which was 32-bit and heavily depended on COM. I worked on a dll to encapsulate the Esri calls to allow our non-Esri solution to also be used depending on the site's preference but calling into a 32-bit dll from a 64-bit application isn't pretty either. Esri dropped all their 32-bit stuff with the 11 release. In fact I just got the reminder "ArcGIS Engine entered Mature Support on March 1, 2024, and full retirement is scheduled for March 1, 2026. No further functionality updates, patches, or hotfixes will be available." Esri's 64-bit software and SDKs were entirely different and required a completely different approach. Esri is the 500 pound gorilla in the GIS field but many of their users were less than happy having to update workflows and scripts that had been in place for years. Even Microsoft hasn't been able to completely rewrite the book.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2025-08-22 09:28 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <68a7abae@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #71842 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 21/08/2025 10:51, Marco Moock wrote: >> On 21.08.2025 07:54 Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> 10 year old technology is fine, Just not 20 year old... >>> >>> For posting to Usenet, this 30 year old PC is doing fine for me. >> >> How do you install a current OS on it that supports current network >> protocols? >> > Find an older version of some current Linux that supports 32bit I guess. It's trickier to find one that builds the kernel and packages for i586 still. It runs modern Linux distros which still do, including (Tiny)X Windows and lightweight software (which I prefer on newer systems anyway). But newer software is slower and uses more RAM for little benefit, so using an old distro works better for many things. Hence Debian v3 and kernel 2.4 running now. > TCP/IP and Usenet haven't changed in 30 years really... True, though I have recently upgraded Tin on all my PCs after about a decade with v2.0.1 since on my newer laptop running Debian stable I noticed its newer Tin downloaded much less header/overview data when entering large newsgroups (even without the new NNTP compression feature, which the server I use doesn't support). I also noticed some new bugs though, which the author quickly fixed, while suggesting I try the overview caching feature which far reduced data use again (after one _huge_ initial download of old overview data for each group). So actually from a technical POV Usenet access has changed a lot lately on my end, and I can now use NNTP compression when available (with Gmane), but it still works fine on a 30 year old PC. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-22 09:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8sycnU_KqJQ46TX1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #71842 |
On 8/21/25 6:37 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 21/08/2025 10:51, Marco Moock wrote: >> On 21.08.2025 07:54 Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> 10 year old technology is fine, Just not 20 year old... >>> >>> For posting to Usenet, this 30 year old PC is doing fine for me. >> >> How do you install a current OS on it that supports current network >> protocols? >> > Find an older version of some current Linux that supports 32bit I guess. > > TCP/IP and Usenet haven't changed in 30 years really... No. Now if you just MUST have BT and full plug-n-play with all the goodies and USB3.x .... Anyway, there are still a number of perfectly good Linux distros with 32-bit versions. Just find a somewhat thin version that won't use up an old PC.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-22 19:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <108adsd$1n7i9$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71921 |
On 22/08/2025 14:46, c186282 wrote: > On 8/21/25 6:37 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 21/08/2025 10:51, Marco Moock wrote: >>> On 21.08.2025 07:54 Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> >>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> 10 year old technology is fine, Just not 20 year old... >>>> >>>> For posting to Usenet, this 30 year old PC is doing fine for me. >>> >>> How do you install a current OS on it that supports current network >>> protocols? >>> >> Find an older version of some current Linux that supports 32bit I guess. >> >> TCP/IP and Usenet haven't changed in 30 years really... > > No. > > Now if you just MUST have BT and full plug-n-play > with all the goodies and USB3.x .... > > Anyway, there are still a number of perfectly good > Linux distros with 32-bit versions. Just find a > somewhat thin version that won't use up an old PC. > Frankly, I cant be arsed. I am not the sort of guy who has time to spare trying to make 30 years old shit do whatever it did back in the day. Had to go to the bank today. The mice banking lady had a beautifully clean dell laptop (and violet fingernails, but I digress). She said they would be getting new ones later in the year. THAT's the sorta old kit I want, (not the banking lady) -- No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-23 00:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <cvucnY_Xxt6OoDT1nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #71938 |
On 8/22/25 2:45 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 22/08/2025 14:46, c186282 wrote: >> On 8/21/25 6:37 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 21/08/2025 10:51, Marco Moock wrote: >>>> On 21.08.2025 07:54 Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> 10 year old technology is fine, Just not 20 year old... >>>>> >>>>> For posting to Usenet, this 30 year old PC is doing fine for me. >>>> >>>> How do you install a current OS on it that supports current network >>>> protocols? >>>> >>> Find an older version of some current Linux that supports 32bit I guess. >>> >>> TCP/IP and Usenet haven't changed in 30 years really... >> >> No. >> >> Now if you just MUST have BT and full plug-n-play >> with all the goodies and USB3.x .... >> >> Anyway, there are still a number of perfectly good >> Linux distros with 32-bit versions. Just find a >> somewhat thin version that won't use up an old PC. >> > Frankly, I cant be arsed. Well, it depends on the hardware you're trying to revive. Some old stuff was 32-bit only, so ... There are a number of 'small' Linux distros that don't suck up too much space/resources. 32-bit can still be had, doesn't have to be an 'old' distro. Look at "SliTaz" - there's a CL version, a GUI version, both as minimal as possible. The CL version, add a very minimalist GUI and you're set for most anything. There's always Damn Small Linux ... but their page no longer specifies if it's 32-bit or 64 only. Given the audience though it's probably 32. Odd thing someone said here ... about having to build all 32-bit libs/drivers. Easiest thing is to copy yer custom software and just install a new, 32-bit, distro version - then copy back. Much faster/easier. But, some LIKE to suffer - very compu-macho :-) > I am not the sort of guy who has time to spare trying to make 30 years > old shit do whatever it did back in the day. > Had to go to the bank today. The mice banking lady had a beautifully > clean dell laptop (and violet fingernails, but I digress). She said > they would be getting new ones later in the year. > THAT's the sorta old kit I want, (not the banking lady) Purple nails ... NOT the best sign :-) Anyway, there's lots of 5-10 year old equipment out there that's perfectly good/great if you put Linux on it instead of Winders. Now women, the minimally "made" ones are yer best bet. Too vain about themselves generally means too vain about their boyfriends. Better own a Lambo and super-yacht in six months or ....... Knew an archeologist into mountain biking ... never made up, often a bit muddy. She was a good one, a Real Person :-) Got in the new batt for my old Acer - it charges. All good. Now gotta decide whether to replace the HDD with an SSD ...
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-23 04:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgsvqjFb0fbU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #71979 |
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 00:01:20 -0400, c186282 wrote: > There's always Damn Small Linux ... but their page > no longer specifies if it's 32-bit or 64 only. Given the audience > though it's probably 32. https://www.damnsmalllinux.org/2024-download.html "This release candidate is 32 bit compatible and will operate on both 32- bit and 64-bit systems." DSL2024 was the first release in 12 years so you probably don't have to worry about upgrading every 6 months. Trigger Alert: DSL is based on antiX. Antix names its releases after lefties. https://antixlinux.com/blog/ "Proudly anti-fascist "antiX Magic" in an environment suitable for old and new computers."
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-23 10:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <108c2ta$234t5$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #71988 |
On 23/08/2025 05:53, rbowman wrote: > "Proudly anti-fascist "antiX Magic" in an environment suitable for old and > new computers." That alone tells me the coders weren't on the case, When my anaesthetist told me he was a Green, I wondered if I would wake up again.. -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-23 10:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108c4q2$23maf$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72018 |
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 10:50:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 23/08/2025 05:53, rbowman wrote: >> >> "Proudly anti-fascist "antiX Magic" in an environment suitable for old >> and new computers." > > That alone tells me the coders weren't on the case, > > When my anaesthetist told me he was a Green, I wondered if I would wake > up again.. Have you noticed the ones who complain the loudest about that sort of thing, right here in these noisegroups, can’t write code worth a darn?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 02:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <OHWdnQGph8j0LTf1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #72030 |
On 8/23/25 6:22 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 10:50:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 23/08/2025 05:53, rbowman wrote: >>> >>> "Proudly anti-fascist "antiX Magic" in an environment suitable for old >>> and new computers." >> >> That alone tells me the coders weren't on the case, >> >> When my anaesthetist told me he was a Green, I wondered if I would wake >> up again.. > > Have you noticed the ones who complain the loudest about that sort of > thing, right here in these noisegroups, can’t write code worth a dar Come ON Larry - do you REALLY want an 'ideological' doc ??? LOOK for Hippocrates.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 19:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <MAJqQ.290901$jMMa.34282@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #72116 |
On 2025-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 8/23/25 6:22 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 10:50:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 23/08/2025 05:53, rbowman wrote: >>> >>>> "Proudly anti-fascist "antiX Magic" in an environment suitable for old >>>> and new computers." >>> >>> That alone tells me the coders weren't on the case, >>> >>> When my anaesthetist told me he was a Green, I wondered if I would wake >>> up again.. >> >> Have you noticed the ones who complain the loudest about that sort of >> thing, right here in these noisegroups, can’t write code worth a dar > > Come ON Larry - do you REALLY want an 'ideological' > doc ??? > > LOOK for Hippocrates. Just make sure it's not pronounced "hypocrisies". :-) -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-23 20:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mgum6kFkirdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #72018 |
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 10:50:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 23/08/2025 05:53, rbowman wrote: >> "Proudly anti-fascist "antiX Magic" in an environment suitable for old >> and new computers." > > That alone tells me the coders weren't on the case, > > When my anaesthetist told me he was a Green, I wondered if I would wake > up again.. I have tree-hugging tendencies but the US Green Party has been captured by the social justice warriors. Earth First! had the same problem in the late '80s with several of the founders leaving in disgust by 1990.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 10:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <108enjb$2n9v5$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72068 |
On 23/08/2025 21:21, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 10:50:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 23/08/2025 05:53, rbowman wrote: >>> "Proudly anti-fascist "antiX Magic" in an environment suitable for old >>> and new computers." >> >> That alone tells me the coders weren't on the case, >> >> When my anaesthetist told me he was a Green, I wondered if I would wake >> up again.. > > I have tree-hugging tendencies but the US Green Party has been captured by > the social justice warriors. Earth First! had the same problem in the late > '80s with several of the founders leaving in disgust by 1990. Genuine conservation and care for the environment was a perfect anti-government anti-capitalist movement for the soviets to subvert, pour money into, and turn into a monster. And AFAIK they (the FSB) are still doing it. -- "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is true: it is true because it is powerful." Lucas Bergkamp
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-24 20:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mh19efF355gU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #72134 |
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 10:55:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Genuine conservation and care for the environment was a perfect > anti-government anti-capitalist movement for the soviets to subvert, > pour money into, and turn into a monster. I don't believe the Soviets had much effect in the '80s, but the seeds had been planted a generation earlier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judi_Bari Bari was one of people that transformed Earth First! and was what is referred to as a red diaper baby, Her parents were leftist and she followed in their footsteps. The resurrection and, should I say, cultural appropriation, of the IWW was part of the package. The IWW was done after the 1924 schism but the concept lived on to be plastered over with woke. Some of the red diaper crew switched sides. David Horowitz (I didn't realize he died in April. No big loss) started out on the far left. His moment on the road to Damascus was after he recommended his friend, Betty Van Patter, to the Black Panthers as a bookkeeper. After she was raped and killed Horowitz suddenly lost interest in paling around with Schwartzers and the left in general. He was still an asshole but a neoconservative one. He's not unique in that transition. When termites nibble away at the foundations of the US they're not fussy about which side they chomping on. The Soviets probably got a lot of laughs.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 12:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <108hhh1$3bl64$17@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72180 |
On 24/08/2025 21:02, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 10:55:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Genuine conservation and care for the environment was a perfect >> anti-government anti-capitalist movement for the soviets to subvert, >> pour money into, and turn into a monster. > > I don't believe the Soviets had much effect in the '80s, but the seeds had > been planted a generation earlier. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judi_Bari > > Bari was one of people that transformed Earth First! and was what is > referred to as a red diaper baby, Her parents were leftist and she > followed in their footsteps. > > The resurrection and, should I say, cultural appropriation, of the IWW was > part of the package. The IWW was done after the 1924 schism but the > concept lived on to be plastered over with woke. > > Some of the red diaper crew switched sides. David Horowitz (I didn't > realize he died in April. No big loss) started out on the far left. His > moment on the road to Damascus was after he recommended his friend, Betty > Van Patter, to the Black Panthers as a bookkeeper. After she was raped and > killed Horowitz suddenly lost interest in paling around with Schwartzers > and the left in general. He was still an asshole but a neoconservative > one. He's not unique in that transition. > > When termites nibble away at the foundations of the US they're not fussy > about which side they chomping on. > > The Soviets probably got a lot of laughs. > > For once I 100% agree with you Its hard for people who haven't experienced it close up to understand the appeal of and the illogic inherent in, in the collectivist Dream. OR the mindset of those who use it to destroy any semblance of democracy and impose a totalitarian regime, or the constant fear they have that people will notice that life is better in capitalist democracies. And slip a poisonous mushroom in their soup. -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 18:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mh3ndmFf8dnU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #72245 |
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 12:30:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Its hard for people who haven't experienced it close up to understand > the appeal of and the illogic inherent in, in the collectivist Dream. > OR the mindset of those who use it to destroy any semblance of democracy > and impose a totalitarian regime, or the constant fear they have that > people will notice that life is better in capitalist democracies. And > slip a poisonous mushroom in their soup. I thought they only used mushrooms in Australia.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-26 10:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <108jvg3$3ur1e$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72257 |
On 25/08/2025 19:13, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 12:30:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Its hard for people who haven't experienced it close up to understand >> the appeal of and the illogic inherent in, in the collectivist Dream. >> OR the mindset of those who use it to destroy any semblance of democracy >> and impose a totalitarian regime, or the constant fear they have that >> people will notice that life is better in capitalist democracies. And >> slip a poisonous mushroom in their soup. > > I thought they only used mushrooms in Australia. Nah. its traditional. 'King John died from a surfeit of peaches' my arse. -- It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house for the voice of the kingdom. Jonathan Swift
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