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  Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-12 00:31 -0400
    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-12 05:08 +0000
      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-12 01:36 -0400
        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 07:59 -0700
          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 11:25 +0100
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 08:29 -0700
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 17:49 +0100
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 00:00 -0400
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 21:23 -0700
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 18:46 +0000
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 12:07 -0700
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-14 19:46 +0000
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 01:22 -0400
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 06:51 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-15 07:16 +0000
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 11:23 +0200
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-15 13:25 -0700
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:27 -0400
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 06:56 +0000
          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-08-14 20:06 +0000
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 22:14 +0200
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 02:30 -0400
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 13:41 -0700
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 02:49 -0400
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 08:27 -0700
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 19:37 +0000
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-08-15 19:49 -0700
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 02:26 -0400
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 06:58 +0000
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:19 +0100
    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-12 18:47 +0000
      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 11:27 +0100
        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 00:45 -0400
          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 22:32 -0700
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 03:32 -0400
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-14 11:14 -0700
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 18:33 +0000
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:19 -0400
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 07:04 +0000
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 03:06 -0400
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 11:29 +0200
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:41 +0100
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:11 -0400
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 03:39 -0400
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 18:25 +0000
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:16 -0400
          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 10:45 +0100
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 18:40 +0000
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:21 -0400
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 07:11 +0000
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 03:42 -0400
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:28 +0100
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 20:01 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 13:39 +0100
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-16 17:04 +0000
                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 03:00 +0000
                          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 11:18 +0100
                            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 20:58 +0000
                              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 11:03 +0100
                                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-19 00:47 +0000
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 02:06 +0000
          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 18:21 +0000
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 19:50 +0100
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:29 -0400
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 06:05 +0000
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:35 +0100
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 19:34 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-15 16:20 -0700
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 07:46 +0000
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-15 16:13 -0700
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 07:17 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-16 03:56 -0400
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 01:05 +0000
                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-16 22:34 -0700
                          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 11:23 +0100
                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 11:12 +0100
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-14 12:42 -0700
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 01:45 -0400
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:30 +0100
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 18:29 +0200
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 19:47 +0000
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 22:18 +0200
                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-15 15:09 -0700
                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 07:28 +0000
                          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-16 03:45 -0400
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-15 18:26 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 19:59 +0100
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-15 20:57 +0000
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                          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 07:39 +0000
                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 13:41 +0100
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 19:43 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 13:24 +0100
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 03:11 +0000
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      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:18 +0100
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#71253

On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:29:51 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2025-08-15 15:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 15/08/2025 06:45, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>     The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
>>>>>>     political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely
>>>>>>     the real
>>>>>> picture.
>>>>>>     Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>>>>>     certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no
>>>>>> replacement FOR
>>>>>>     that labor. So - you import it by any means.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to
>>>>> do shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
>>>>
>>>>      A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a
>>>>      living.
>>>> Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
>>>> are coming.
>>>>      If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
>>>> at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger and
>>>> older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with dementia
>>>> and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which are just as damaging
>>>> to  quality of life.
>>>
>>>    Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...
>>>
>> I think its a truth. Of a sort.
>> 
>> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
> 
> Absolutely.
> 
> Add to that the non existing pension system.

I'm living quite happily on the non existing SSI checks, thank you. I 
don't pay much attention since they are directly deposited into my 
checking account but the monthly statements shows a slowly increasing 
balance. I suppose that is the upside of a lifelong minimalist lifestyle, 
if you can call more motorcycles, guitars, books, and firearms than one 
person needs minimalist.


 

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#71259

On 2025-08-15 21:47, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:29:51 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-08-15 15:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 15/08/2025 06:45, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
>>>>>>>      political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely
>>>>>>>      the real
>>>>>>> picture.
>>>>>>>      Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>>>>>>      certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no
>>>>>>> replacement FOR
>>>>>>>      that labor. So - you import it by any means.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to
>>>>>> do shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
>>>>>
>>>>>       A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a
>>>>>       living.
>>>>> Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
>>>>> are coming.
>>>>>       If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
>>>>> at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger and
>>>>> older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with dementia
>>>>> and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which are just as damaging
>>>>> to  quality of life.
>>>>
>>>>     Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...
>>>>
>>> I think its a truth. Of a sort.
>>>
>>> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
>>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
>>
>> Absolutely.
>>
>> Add to that the non existing pension system.
> 
> I'm living quite happily on the non existing SSI checks, thank you. I
> don't pay much attention since they are directly deposited into my
> checking account but the monthly statements shows a slowly increasing
> balance. I suppose that is the upside of a lifelong minimalist lifestyle,
> if you can call more motorcycles, guitars, books, and firearms than one
> person needs minimalist.

One data point. If an employee pisses his boss and gets fired, he can 
lose the pension plan. Well, not here. Every employer adds to the same 
pension plan, and it can not be killed. Not even for criminals. Or angry 
bosses.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#71280

On 8/15/25 13:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2025-08-15 21:47, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:29:51 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-08-15 15:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 15/08/2025 06:45, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of
>>>>>>>>      political theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely
>>>>>>>>      the real
>>>>>>>> picture.
>>>>>>>>      Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>>>>>>>      certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no
>>>>>>>> replacement FOR
>>>>>>>>      that labor. So - you import it by any means.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to
>>>>>>> do shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a
>>>>>>       living.
>>>>>> Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
>>>>>> are coming.
>>>>>>       If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
>>>>>> at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger and
>>>>>> older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with dementia
>>>>>> and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which are just as damaging
>>>>>> to  quality of life.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...
>>>>>
>>>> I think its a truth. Of a sort.
>>>>
>>>> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
>>>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
>>>
>>> Absolutely.
>>>
>>> Add to that the non existing pension system.
>>
>> I'm living quite happily on the non existing SSI checks, thank you. I
>> don't pay much attention since they are directly deposited into my
>> checking account but the monthly statements shows a slowly increasing
>> balance. I suppose that is the upside of a lifelong minimalist lifestyle,
>> if you can call more motorcycles, guitars, books, and firearms than one
>> person needs minimalist.
> 
> One data point. If an employee pisses his boss and gets fired, he can 
> lose the pension plan. Well, not here. Every employer adds to the same 
> pension plan, and it can not be killed. Not even for criminals. Or angry 
> bosses.
> 


	That is the reason for the existence of Social Security in the USA 
started in
the Great Depression of the 1930s a couple of years before I was born 
and now
90 years old and the man with Orange makeup in the Oval Office wants to hand
those moneies to the stock market.
	I am living on it now and fow many years before now.
	We generally if we worked for a living have a pension in the USA and
it has its own taxes on each worker and Cost of Living Adjustments every
year. It was designed to be free of Political Iinterference with the taxes.
But the Republican deficits due to favoritism toward the very 
well-compensated, billionaires and millionaires who have so much money 
they cannot spend
it have produced Cost of Living increases that are spectacular.
	Still they resist paying enough for modern rent.  If my rent was paid
in a new/old apartment with elevators that run more of time I would be
getting 3 times as much as I can depend on now.
	Trump wants to ruin this system.
	
	bliss

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#71335

On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 22:18:48 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> One data point. If an employee pisses his boss and gets fired, he can
> lose the pension plan. Well, not here. Every employer adds to the same
> pension plan, and it can not be killed. Not even for criminals. Or angry
> bosses.

There are very few private pension plans left in the US. With a few exempt 
groups a 12.4% Social Security tax paid, 6.2% from your earnings and 6.2% 
from the employer. If you're self employed you pay the entire 12.4%. 
Theoretically there is a annual cap after which you don't pay the tax. It 
has been raised over the years and now is $176,100. It's been a long time 
since I've had a few tax free weeks at the end of the year. 

Your account goes with you. It could only be killed if the government 
defaults. Of course the cry has been 'we're running out of money!' for 
decades. It's a Ponzi scheme that needs a constant supply of fresh workers 
to support the retirees. When it was introduced in 1932 the expectation 
was you would work until 65 and die at 66. 

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#71337

On 8/16/25 3:28 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 22:18:48 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> One data point. If an employee pisses his boss and gets fired, he can
>> lose the pension plan. Well, not here. Every employer adds to the same
>> pension plan, and it can not be killed. Not even for criminals. Or angry
>> bosses.
> 
> There are very few private pension plans left in the US. With a few exempt
> groups a 12.4% Social Security tax paid, 6.2% from your earnings and 6.2%
> from the employer. If you're self employed you pay the entire 12.4%.
> Theoretically there is a annual cap after which you don't pay the tax. It
> has been raised over the years and now is $176,100. It's been a long time
> since I've had a few tax free weeks at the end of the year.
> 
> Your account goes with you. It could only be killed if the government
> defaults. Of course the cry has been 'we're running out of money!' for
> decades. It's a Ponzi scheme that needs a constant supply of fresh workers
> to support the retirees. When it was introduced in 1932 the expectation
> was you would work until 65 and die at 66.


   Life was short and shitty in the 30s ....

   However the salary-extraction HAS gone up over
   the years. There SHOULD be enough.

   Unless it's WASTED and/or SIPHONED.

   SS has been a convenient way for govt to
   get 'free money' - kind of off-the-radar -
   for its various fuck-ups.

   Future ... not enough births anymore. Big
   problem. The pyramid may collapse - yet the
   NEED for retirement funding won't.

   Back to the '30s ... LET 'em rot and die ???
   Not very nice, not very "1st World".

   Now, where can Linux help ?  :-)

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#71242

On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the 
> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.

FSVO "broken" - from the standpoint of the healthcare industry
I'm sure it's working beautifully.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#71249

On 15/08/2025 19:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
> 
> FSVO "broken" - from the standpoint of the healthcare industry
> I'm sure it's working beautifully.
> 
Well I am a voracious consumer of healthcare these days.
I simply could not afford to pay American prices for it.

-- 
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

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#71266

On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 15/08/2025 19:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
>>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
>>
>> FSVO "broken" - from the standpoint of the healthcare industry
>> I'm sure it's working beautifully.
>
> Well I am a voracious consumer of healthcare these days.
> I simply could not afford to pay American prices for it.

I didn't say it would be working beautifully for you.  1/2 :-)

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#71281

On 8/15/25 13:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 15/08/2025 19:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
>>>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
>>>
>>> FSVO "broken" - from the standpoint of the healthcare industry
>>> I'm sure it's working beautifully.
>>
>> Well I am a voracious consumer of healthcare these days.
>> I simply could not afford to pay American prices for it.
> 
> I didn't say it would be working beautifully for you.  1/2 :-)
> 

	Oh yeah it is working well for the Healthcare Industry especially the
part that collects from you for your insurance from the government for
your care but not so much for the care-givers from nurses aides to
Charge Nurses(RNs).  I recently after my ankle fusion enjoyed the
hospitality of a physical rehabilitation facility for a few months.
	Over-worked because they are underpaid and taking all the
shifts they can get to pay their rents.

	Oh and enjoyment was not really in it as the food was
cooked until definitely dead.   Well I lost 30 lbs but I don't
recommend the broken ankle diet.
	
	bliss

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#71336

On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 15:15:56 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	Oh and enjoyment was not really in it as the food was
> cooked until definitely dead.   Well I lost 30 lbs but I don't recommend
> the broken ankle diet.

I spent a couple of months in rehab after a broke hip. I think it was the 
second day when the nurse asked 'Do you want oatmeal for breakfast?' I 
didn't realize that meant I'd be eating oatmeal until I was discharged. 
Luckily I like it.

The food really wasn't that bad. I could get around with a walker and I 
was working remotely and didn't require much maintenance beyond the 
physical therapy sessions which I enjoyed.  I thought I might lose weight 
but I didn't. 

This was in the covid years. One PCA had been working in Vegas which 
basically shut down and she fell back on nursing. Nice enough but she made 
no bones about going back to Vegas if the situation ever improved. 

I did get a couple of weeks quarantine because I'd never gotten a 
distemper shot but they didn't force it on me. 

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#71395

On 15/08/2025 21:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 15/08/2025 19:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-08-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
>>>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
>>>
>>> FSVO "broken" - from the standpoint of the healthcare industry
>>> I'm sure it's working beautifully.
>>
>> Well I am a voracious consumer of healthcare these days.
>> I simply could not afford to pay American prices for it.
> 
> I didn't say it would be working beautifully for you.  1/2 :-)
> 
No. All old people in the USA are pretty healthy. Or obscenely rich

The rest died.

-- 
No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.

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#71252

On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:30:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.

I've been fortunate that most of my experience with the healthcare system 
has resulted from breaking things but I've found it adequate. I have not 
had to wait for months to have cataract surgery, get a hernia repaired, or 
have broken bones mended. Even when I was self employed and only had a 
high deductible 'disaster' insurance plan out of pocket expenses were 
reasonable. 

The experience of others may differ. 

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#71392

On 15/08/2025 20:43, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:30:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
> 
> I've been fortunate that most of my experience with the healthcare system
> has resulted from breaking things but I've found it adequate. I have not
> had to wait for months to have cataract surgery, get a hernia repaired, or
> have broken bones mended. Even when I was self employed and only had a
> high deductible 'disaster' insurance plan out of pocket expenses were
> reasonable.
> 
> The experience of others may differ.

It does.,

In the USA, I would be dead by now.



-- 
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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#71441

On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 13:24:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 15/08/2025 20:43, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:30:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the
>>> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.
>> 
>> I've been fortunate that most of my experience with the healthcare
>> system has resulted from breaking things but I've found it adequate. I
>> have not had to wait for months to have cataract surgery, get a hernia
>> repaired, or have broken bones mended. Even when I was self employed
>> and only had a high deductible 'disaster' insurance plan out of pocket
>> expenses were reasonable.
>> 
>> The experience of others may differ.
> 
> It does.,
> 
> In the USA, I would be dead by now.

Maybe. My ex is a Type 1 diabetic diagnosed at 12, survived breast cancer, 
had open heart surgery, took a bad fall resulting in frontal lobe damage, 
and several other less serious problems. She's still kicking, albeit 
rather slowly. Oh, yeah she was one of the lucky winners of Guillain-Barre 
syndrome from the 1976 swine flu fiasco which left her skeptical of 
vaccines so she passed on the covid shot and later tested positive with a 
four day headache from hell but no other ill effects.

Very high maintenance.



We do often muse how we've lived so long. 

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#71152

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 12:42:57 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> Worse than dying is living with dementia and there are kinds other than
> Alzheimer's which are just as damaging to  quality of life.

My brother started slipping his gears in his '80s. It was sad to see 
someone who had retired as a VP of Morton Thiokol restricted form crossing 
the street lest he get lost. Even before he got really bad we took a walk 
in the chaparral behind his house and I realized at one point he didn't 
know where he was and which trail to take. I hadn't been paying attention 
but was wearing shoes with a distinctive tread so I could backtrack and 
find the shortest path since he was also very fatigued. 

I broke a hip a few years ago and spent some time in the rehab wing of a 
nursing home. I saw the future and want no part of it and that wasn't even 
the residents of the restricted 'memory wing'. 

 

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#71159

On 8/14/25 23:15, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 12:42:57 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
>> Worse than dying is living with dementia and there are kinds other than
>> Alzheimer's which are just as damaging to  quality of life.
> 
> My brother started slipping his gears in his '80s. It was sad to see
> someone who had retired as a VP of Morton Thiokol restricted form crossing
> the street lest he get lost. Even before he got really bad we took a walk
> in the chaparral behind his house and I realized at one point he didn't
> know where he was and which trail to take. I hadn't been paying attention
> but was wearing shoes with a distinctive tread so I could backtrack and
> find the shortest path since he was also very fatigued.
> 
> I broke a hip a few years ago and spent some time in the rehab wing of a
> nursing home. I saw the future and want no part of it and that wasn't even
> the residents of the restricted 'memory wing'.
> 
>   
	You might be interesting in this item then:

> Good news in medicine
> Might a combination of 2 cancer drugs help treat Alzheimer's disease?
> Any progress on treating Alzheimer’s is good news. This breakthrough looks especially promising.
> 
> <https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/might-a-combination-of-2-cancer-drugs-help-treat-alzheimers-disease>

	bliss

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#71257

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 23:42:28 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	You might be interesting in this item then:
> 
>> Good news in medicine Might a combination of 2 cancer drugs help treat
>> Alzheimer's disease?
>> Any progress on treating Alzheimer’s is good news. This breakthrough
>> looks especially promising.
>> 
>> <https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/might-a-combination-of-2-
cancer-drugs-help-treat-alzheimers-disease>

I saw that article. At this point I'm rather cynical about promising 
breakthroughs. A friend who was a bit of a hypochondriac monitored the New 
England Journal of Medicine and other publications. It was vertigo 
inducing as Study B proved the people who published Study A didn't know 
what they were doing and cooked the data.

If I start going down that road I hope I remember how to run a 1911 in a 
moment of lucidity. 

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#70864

On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 00:31:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> Manasi Mishra, 21, was under the impression that if she worked hard in
> school and mastered coding, she'd have a prestigious tech job with a
> cushy salary lined up straight from college.

Racist assumption folllows: with a name like Mishra I truly doubt she is 
an incompetent pushed through the DEI system.

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#71116

On 12/08/2025 05:31, c186282 wrote:
>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14991227/computer-science-coding-jobs-graduates-AI.html
>
>The prestige tech job being decimated by AI as graduate, 21,
>expecting six figure starting salary says she could only get
>interview at Chipotle
>
>Aspiring computer scientists are sinking in a job market
>overtaken by AI, as a recent graduate who expected to make
>six figures could only land an interview at Chipotle.
>
>Manasi Mishra, 21, was under the impression that if she
>worked hard in school and mastered coding, she'd have a
>prestigious tech job with a cushy salary lined up straight
>from college.
>
>'The rhetoric was, if you just learned to code, work hard
>and get a computer science degree, you can get six figures
>for your starting salary,' the San Roman, California native
>told The New York Times.
>
>But the bright-eyed young coder - who created her first website
>when she was in elementary school - was in for a rude awakening.
>
>She spent a year scrambling for jobs and internships and still
>found herself graduating from Purdue University in West
>Lafayette, Indiana, without a single tech offer.
>
>. . .
>
>   Note DM tends to be a bit dramatic, but the above
>   story IS a rapidly-escalating reality.
>
>   CHAT-5 brags about being able to do code ... the
>   pointy-haired boss just DESCRIBES what he wants
>   and the AI delivers ........
>
>   Might not be the best code - but WAY cheaper and
>   quicker than hiring those obnoxious nerdy human
>   programmers.
>
>   If you can fix toilets then you probably have a
>   fairly secure career future ... but anything
>   white-collar/'office', soon industrial/factory -
>   nope. ALL the corps want to DUMP the humans.
>
>   Not sure who'll be left to BUY their stuff - but
>   they're not thinking that far ahead.
>
>   Also not aware of ANY govt with a plan to deal
>   with all the obsolete humans. Directions to the
>   nearest Soylent Green factory maybe ?

It's a gold rush and a bubble. It will go the same way as both. Pity,
 really. The AI chatbots can be useful tools, but I think tech's first
 headlong rush to AGI will end in tears. 


-- 
--
A PICKER OF UNCONSIDERED TRIFLES

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#71157

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 21:15:09 -0000 (UTC), Jason H wrote:

> It's a gold rush and a bubble. It will go the same way as both. Pity,
>  really. The AI chatbots can be useful tools, but I think tech's first
>  headlong rush to AGI will end in tears.

There is a term in the AI circles, AI Winter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter

I never worked in the field but my undergraduate studies included neuro- 
physiology that people were trying to model. Then came the '70s winter. Of 
course in the '60s we were going to have natural language translation and 
master class chess programs written in FORTRAN IV any day now. That didn't 
happen either. My interest was rekindles in the '80s and I attended a 
seminar on neural networks, an update model of the ones that failed in the 
'60s. Once again over hyped and a failure to the extent that saying 
'neural network' was career death. When they surface again in the early 
2000s people preferred to talk about 'machine learning'. The neural 
network term has been rehabilitated. I once again got interested, 
particularly for the modest use in edge devices with TinyML. Those sort of 
applications show promise but they are hardly sexy, high profile, money 
sinks like LLMs.  As they said in 'Game of Thrones' winter is coming. 
Again.

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