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  Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-12 00:31 -0400
    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-12 05:08 +0000
      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-12 01:36 -0400
        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 07:59 -0700
          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 11:25 +0100
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 08:29 -0700
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 17:49 +0100
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 00:00 -0400
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 21:23 -0700
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 18:46 +0000
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 12:07 -0700
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-14 19:46 +0000
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 01:22 -0400
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 06:51 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-08-15 07:16 +0000
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 11:23 +0200
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-15 13:25 -0700
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:27 -0400
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 06:56 +0000
          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-08-14 20:06 +0000
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 22:14 +0200
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 02:30 -0400
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 13:41 -0700
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 02:49 -0400
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 08:27 -0700
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 19:37 +0000
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-08-15 19:49 -0700
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 02:26 -0400
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 06:58 +0000
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:19 +0100
    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-12 18:47 +0000
      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 11:27 +0100
        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 00:45 -0400
          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 22:32 -0700
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 03:32 -0400
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-14 11:14 -0700
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 18:33 +0000
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:19 -0400
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 07:04 +0000
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 03:06 -0400
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 11:29 +0200
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:41 +0100
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:11 -0400
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-14 03:39 -0400
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 18:25 +0000
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:16 -0400
          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 10:45 +0100
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 18:40 +0000
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:21 -0400
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 07:11 +0000
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 03:42 -0400
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:28 +0100
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 20:01 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 13:39 +0100
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-16 17:04 +0000
                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 03:00 +0000
                          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 11:18 +0100
                            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 20:58 +0000
                              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 11:03 +0100
                                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-19 00:47 +0000
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 02:06 +0000
          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 18:21 +0000
            Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 19:50 +0100
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 00:29 -0400
              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 06:05 +0000
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:35 +0100
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 19:34 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-15 16:20 -0700
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 07:46 +0000
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-15 16:13 -0700
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 07:17 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-16 03:56 -0400
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 01:05 +0000
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                          Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 11:23 +0100
                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 11:12 +0100
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              Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-15 01:45 -0400
                Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 14:30 +0100
                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 18:29 +0200
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-15 19:47 +0000
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 22:18 +0200
                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-15 15:09 -0700
                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-16 07:28 +0000
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                  Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-15 18:26 +0000
                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-15 19:59 +0100
                      Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-15 20:57 +0000
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                        Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 13:41 +0100
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                    Re: Trained For Coding Career ? FORGET IT ! "AI" Will Do It All The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-16 13:24 +0100
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#71438

On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 13:39:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> You learn to play execrable shit-kicking 'bluegrass'

Perhaps you would prefer the version by the writer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNVZQ3M6t84

Can't blame Hazel Dickens; she was from West Goddam Virginia. It was part
 of the Virginia Company's colony. 

> 
> Gimme Western Swing any day. Not so goddam dreary


If it ain't Bob Wills it ain't western swing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow9sDEiJbOQ

> 
> Or some beautifully crafted  real ole redneck country pop.


Sheeeit. You don't know redneck country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhEHB0a7Uyg

 
> Of course Over Here you can have Scandinavian Death Metal, With Opera.

I'll go with Scandinavian traditional

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg0TQyjdHJ0

I like the video is amateur hour. Poor old Aurora is lost in the rocks. A 
better version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkTuHP9q3o

Make sure you have good shoon on the way to Hel.


> 
> Or really, for people who have lived through it all and still have no
> answers, even in 3/4 time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLunlQy7nLI

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#71079

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
>    theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture.
>    Natives WON'T do shit work,
>    certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement FOR
>    that labor. So - you import it by any means.

Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do 
shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help. 

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#71084

On 14/08/2025 19:21, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
>>     theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture.
>>     Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>     certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement FOR
>>     that labour. So - you import it by any means.
> 
> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
> shit work or have their EBT cards cancelled it would help.

Ah. Slavery, 21st century style

-- 
Any fool can believe in principles -  and most of them do!

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#71136

On 8/14/25 2:50 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 14/08/2025 19:21, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
>>>     theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture.
>>>     Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>>     certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement FOR
>>>     that labour. So - you import it by any means.
>>
>> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
>> shit work or have their EBT cards cancelled it would help.
> 
> Ah. Slavery, 21st century style

   Of course ! Things rarely ACTUALLY change - just
   re-named, new PC titles  :-)

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#71151

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 19:50:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 14/08/2025 19:21, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>     The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
>>>     theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real
>>>     picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>>     certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement
>>>     FOR that labour. So - you import it by any means.
>> 
>> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
>> shit work or have their EBT cards cancelled it would help.
> 
> Ah. Slavery, 21st century style

There is a segment of the population destined to be slaves no matter how 
you sugar coat it. They have low intelligence, no skills, and no 
motivation. What else are you going to do with them? About 100 years ago 
positive eugenics focused on slowly eliminating them. Modern dysgenics 
increases their number and if the domestic supply falls short, importing 
them.

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#71227

On 15/08/2025 07:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 19:50:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 14/08/2025 19:21, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>      The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
>>>>      theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real
>>>>      picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>>>      certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement
>>>>      FOR that labour. So - you import it by any means.
>>>
>>> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
>>> shit work or have their EBT cards cancelled it would help.
>>
>> Ah. Slavery, 21st century style
> 
> There is a segment of the population destined to be slaves no matter how
> you sugar coat it. They have low intelligence, no skills, and no
> motivation. What else are you going to do with them? About 100 years ago
> positive eugenics focused on slowly eliminating them. Modern dysgenics
> increases their number and if the domestic supply falls short, importing
> them.

It's interesting to ponder that one.

Some will adapt, some will inevitably die.

But when civilisation collapses, they are your insurance policy.


I went to the Yucatan. I saw the Mayan ruins. spectacular., Where are 
the people who built them?

Driving back through the Quintana Roo I saw them,. In little thatched 
shacks by the roads, with a patch of corn, beans and peppers and a pig 
and ten chickens.

The priests all died, The civilisation collapsed, But the poor dumb 
fucks carried on as if nothing had happened. Because in their world, it 
hadn't.


-- 
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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#71250

On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:35:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I went to the Yucatan. I saw the Mayan ruins. spectacular., Where are
> the people who built them?
> 
> Driving back through the Quintana Roo I saw them,. In little thatched
> shacks by the roads, with a patch of corn, beans and peppers and a pig
> and ten chickens.
> 
> The priests all died, The civilisation collapsed, But the poor dumb
> fucks carried on as if nothing had happened. Because in their world, it
> hadn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_Culture_National_Historical_Park

That's one site of many. In the US southwest the cultures used stone since 
there isn't much else to work with. In the eastern US wood and other 
material more susceptible to decay was used although they build massive 
earth structures that have survived. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_Mound

Most are artificial hills and not that elaborate.

I spent a week at Chaco exploring and after the park rangers determine 
you're truly interested and won't destroy artifacts they would tell you 
off the record "You shouldn't hike out to this area but if you happen 
to..." One ranger was a Navajo (Dine). The Navajo themselves had migrated 
into the area only shortly before the Spanish arrived and weren't 
descendants of the builders. He said it caused controversy in his family 
when he took the assignment. They had no more idea about the earlier 
culture than anyone else but considered the area a very bad place to be. 

The Pueblo tribes may have been the descendants but they knew little too. 
There are several explanations for the extinction of the cultures both in 
the east and west. Spengler may have had the best explanation. The culture 
turned into a civilization and went into decline. For him 'civilization' 
was not a good thing. The culture lost its vigor as it passed into a 
civilization, a late state that had lost its youthful vigor and was riding 
on momentum.

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#71289

On 8/15/25 12:34, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:35:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> I went to the Yucatan. I saw the Mayan ruins. spectacular., Where are
>> the people who built them?
>>
>> Driving back through the Quintana Roo I saw them,. In little thatched
>> shacks by the roads, with a patch of corn, beans and peppers and a pig
>> and ten chickens.
>>
>> The priests all died, The civilisation collapsed, But the poor dumb
>> fucks carried on as if nothing had happened. Because in their world, it
>> hadn't.

	And a few years of drought broke the argricultural system that fed the
Kings and High Priests.

> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_Culture_National_Historical_Park
> 
> That's one site of many. In the US southwest the cultures used stone since
> there isn't much else to work with. In the eastern US wood and other
> material more susceptible to decay was used although they build massive
> earth structures that have survived.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_Mound
> 
> Most are artificial hills and not that elaborate.
> 
> I spent a week at Chaco exploring and after the park rangers determine
> you're truly interested and won't destroy artifacts they would tell you
> off the record "You shouldn't hike out to this area but if you happen
> to..." One ranger was a Navajo (Dine). The Navajo themselves had migrated
> into the area only shortly before the Spanish arrived and weren't
> descendants of the builders. He said it caused controversy in his family
> when he took the assignment. They had no more idea about the earlier
> culture than anyone else but considered the area a very bad place to be.

	Anywhere people have died is considered a bad place to be right now
to individual dwellings.

> 
> The Pueblo tribes may have been the descendants but they knew little too.
> There are several explanations for the extinction of the cultures both in
> the east and west. Spengler may have had the best explanation. The culture
> turned into a civilization and went into decline. For him 'civilization'
> was not a good thing. The culture lost its vigor as it passed into a
> civilization, a late state that had lost its youthful vigor and was riding
> on momentum.
> 
		More climate change. An elaborate system of channels was built to
bring rainwater to the fields and when the rain stopped for a while the 
culture
went away. To find other resources or less water intensive cultivation. 
Religious
wars may have been in there too.
	
	bliss

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#71338

On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 16:20:22 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	Anywhere people have died is considered a bad place to be right 
now
> to individual dwellings.

I was five when my grandmother, who had been living with us, died. Back 
then they waked you in the parlor. I remember getting up at night to take 
a leak and seeing the candles burning in the front room.

Well meaning people said things like 'God will take her up into heaven 
now.' I had no idea what they were talking about but we had a big elm in 
the backyard and I knew how a block and tackle worked so I imagined the 
coffin being hoisted up to the top of the tree,

I was a five year old animist. When they finally sprung religion on me it 
didn't take all that well. 

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#71287

On 8/14/25 23:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 19:50:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 14/08/2025 19:21, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>      The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
>>>>      theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real
>>>>      picture. Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>>>      certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement
>>>>      FOR that labour. So - you import it by any means.
>>>
>>> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
>>> shit work or have their EBT cards cancelled it would help.
>>
>> Ah. Slavery, 21st century style
> 
> There is a segment of the population destined to be slaves no matter how
> you sugar coat it. They have low intelligence, no skills, and no
> motivation. What else are you going to do with them? About 100 years ago
> positive eugenics focused on slowly eliminating them. Modern dysgenics
> increases their number and if the domestic supply falls short, importing
> them.

	Only it was aimed at non-white and non-conforming women as were a lot
of psychiatric admissions and hospitalisation.  Native Americzn women, 
lationas
and African American women were targeted for sterilization without consent.
	Eugenics was basically a racist movement corrupted at it core by
white racist attitudes with a view to eliminating the "Color Problem" seen
by white physicians.  I guess the lack of treatment given the syphylis
infected black men was supposed to help with that goal
Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
<https://atlantablackstar.com/2014/12/02/5-unethical-medical-experiments-that-used-black-people-as-guinea-pigs/>

	The NAZI Party copied our Jim Crow laws and borrowed our Eugenics
movement.  Now we see Trump replaying these idiocies on the same
groups.

	bliss

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#71333

On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 16:13:25 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	Only it was aimed at non-white and non-conforming women as were a 
lot
> of psychiatric admissions and hospitalisation.  Native Americzn women,
> lationas and African American women were targeted for sterilization
> without consent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

"Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

 Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

Carrie Buck looks pretty white to me.

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#71339

On 8/16/25 3:17 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 16:13:25 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
>> 	Only it was aimed at non-white and non-conforming women as were a
> lot
>> of psychiatric admissions and hospitalisation.  Native Americzn women,
>> lationas and African American women were targeted for sterilization
>> without consent.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell
> 
> "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
> 
>  Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
> 
> Carrie Buck looks pretty white to me.

   Admittedly they had a less-educated perspective
   on "idiocy" back then ... the eugenics people
   spread lots of mis-perceptions that SEEMED to
   be "The Science" at the time.

   Everybody was still USED to breeding 'better'
   animals back then, it all SEEMED so logical.
   Naturally, the CURRENT "ruling class" was
   just SURE to be The Superior ......

   Ok, kiddies RAISED by the 2-digit crowd were
   more likely to be 2-digit just because of
   their limited exposure to anything else.

   This just reinforced "The Science" of the time.

   Now if those kiddies just had Linux PCs !  :-)

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#71426

On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 03:56:15 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>   Ok, kiddies RAISED by the 2-digit crowd were
>    more likely to be 2-digit just because of their limited exposure to
>    anything else.

Family tradition. Their 38 year old grandmother was 2 digit too. I think 
it was Shaw who said 'You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make 
her think' when asked to define horticulture.

Like the Jack London socialists I have a certain fondness for the Fabians 
of that era. They were trying to use socialism to build a better world, 
not to coddle the marginal. 

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#71458

On 8/16/25 18:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 03:56:15 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    Ok, kiddies RAISED by the 2-digit crowd were
>>     more likely to be 2-digit just because of their limited exposure to
>>     anything else.
> 
> Family tradition. Their 38 year old grandmother was 2 digit too. I think
> it was Shaw who said 'You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make
> her think' when asked to define horticulture.
> 
> Like the Jack London socialists I have a certain fondness for the Fabians
> of that era. They were trying to use socialism to build a better world,
> not to coddle the marginal.

	Really riling me up with those 2 digit remarks.  You are a fan of eugenics
and want to murder everyone who is not as smart as you believe yourself to
be.  We have good books coming out of Africa so it has nothing to do wiht
genes but with the vicious repress suffered by black people in the USA and
in other places. But the USA was the country where afterr the Abolistion
of Chattel Slavery and the end of Reconstruction was followed by the 
notorious
Black Codes of the South., attempting to crush black people in every way.
The South of the 19th Century had been totally dependent on black
slavery and the racists attempted to continue it as long as possible using
schools to teach racism to white children and neglecting black education
to the point that the SCOUSA saw that it was bad and unconstitutional.
	
	The NAZI Party copied the Black Codes to apply to the Jews and
race-based Eugenics from the USA in the days when the American Society
and many US governments, state and local were run by racists even in
California where stealing valuable land from black people were very 
popular.
  They were proceeded by the state of New York where land owership by
black freedmen was suppressed.  Poverty in inheritable but it has nothing
to do with genes any more that Wealth which is also an inheritable
trait that has nothing to do with genes.

	I bet that you Mr. Bowman are a very successful person which as
we see in the recent case of the Bush Father and son is an inheritable
condition.

	bliss

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#71496

On 17/08/2025 06:34, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> Really riling me up with those 2 digit remarks.  You are a fan of 
> eugenics and want to murder everyone who is not as smart as you
> believe yourself to be.

Well its down to what you need. an IQ of 50 is OK to pick cotton with, 
but it wont do calculus.

The great mistake Muricans make is to not realise that there are plenty 
of smart black people. They just didn't end up being sold to Muricans.

And if the ones that did had smart kids, they generally were hung for 
being 'uppity niggers'

The African American is culturally selected to be stupid.

Wouldn't last 5 minutes in Africa



-- 
"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

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#71493

On 17/08/2025 02:05, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 03:56:15 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    Ok, kiddies RAISED by the 2-digit crowd were
>>     more likely to be 2-digit just because of their limited exposure to
>>     anything else.
> 
> Family tradition. Their 38 year old grandmother was 2 digit too. I think
> it was Shaw who said 'You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make
> her think' when asked to define horticulture.
> 
> Like the Jack London socialists I have a certain fondness for the Fabians
> of that era. They were trying to use socialism to build a better world,
> not to coddle the marginal.
Socialism got taken over by Russian Marxists around 1920.
Having fucked up Russia they realised they would have to fuck up 
everywhere else too, or they wouldn't survive.




-- 
     “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the 
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most 
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of 
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which 
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by 
thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

     ― Leo Tolstoy

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#71095

On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
>>     theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture.
>>     Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>     certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement FOR
>>     that labor. So - you import it by any means.
> 
> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
> shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.

	A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a living.
Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
are coming.
	If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger
and older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with
dementia and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which
are just as damaging to  quality of life.

	My young friend who drives me to shop when mutually
convenient called me a Super Ager the other day and is so
silly as to think I have all my faculties.  Well I am pretty much
the same as I was in my late 30s and early 40s but I never
had all my faculties as I am bipolar which makes it hard to
make good decisions at time. The reason I have lived so
long is that most of the Bad Luck that happened to me
cleared the way for me to live longer.

	bliss

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#71149

On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
>>>     theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture.
>>>     Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>>     certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement FOR
>>>     that labor. So - you import it by any means.
>>
>> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
>> shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
> 
>      A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a living.
> Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
> are coming.
>      If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
> at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger
> and older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with
> dementia and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which
> are just as damaging to  quality of life.

   Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...

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#71226

On 15/08/2025 06:45, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>     The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
>>>>     theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real picture.
>>>>     Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>>>     certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no replacement 
>>>> FOR
>>>>     that labor. So - you import it by any means.
>>>
>>> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
>>> shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
>>
>>      A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a living.
>> Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
>> are coming.
>>      If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
>> at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger
>> and older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with
>> dementia and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which
>> are just as damaging to  quality of life.
> 
>    Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...
> 
I think its a truth. Of a sort.

Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the 
USA is its totally broken healthcare system.


-- 
“Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

  – Ludwig von Mises

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#71239

On 2025-08-15 15:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 15/08/2025 06:45, c186282 wrote:
>> On 8/14/25 3:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/14/25 11:21, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:45:12 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     The conspiracy theorists (esp USA) have all sorts of political
>>>>>     theories about 'immigrants'. This is not entirely the real 
>>>>> picture.
>>>>>     Natives WON'T do shit work,
>>>>>     certainly not for an affordable wage, but there's no 
>>>>> replacement FOR
>>>>>     that labor. So - you import it by any means.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps if the natives who are on the government dole could chose to do
>>>> shit work or have their EBT cards canceled it would help.
>>>
>>>      A lot of folks on Medicaid in the USA are working for a living.
>>> Trump's BBB cut their medical support and further cuts to Medicard
>>> are coming.
>>>      If these cuts are maintained then millions may die. And yes
>>> at 88 i know very well that we all die. All of my friends younger
>>> and older know this very well. Worse than dying is living with
>>> dementia and there are kinds other than Alzheimer's which
>>> are just as damaging to  quality of life.
>>
>>    Getting your "truth" from MSNBC apparently ...
>>
> I think its a truth. Of a sort.
> 
> Certainly the one thing that absolutely means I will never live in the 
> USA is its totally broken healthcare system.

Absolutely.

Add to that the non existing pension system.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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