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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-07-27 03:11 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-07-29 21:47 +0100 |
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Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 03:11 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 12:05 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 17:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:13 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 02:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:59 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 22:28 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:15 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:42 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:18 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 03:35 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:39 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:46 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-29 09:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:33 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-29 09:14 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:41 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-21 07:48 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 03:50 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:10 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 14:06 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-27 18:21 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 18:00 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:10 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:24 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 03:38 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:10 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:13 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:16 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:30 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:35 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 17:51 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 04:44 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:03 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:22 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 18:24 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 23:36 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:31 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-30 07:46 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:21 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:25 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:13 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 01:02 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 03:18 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:39 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 18:36 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-30 06:31 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:28 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:24 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 10:16 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 19:35 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 20:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:28 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:50 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:19 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:40 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 00:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 22:21 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:17 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:26 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 15:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:54 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:50 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-27 17:49 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 17:55 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 22:37 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 06:34 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 03:28 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 08:36 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:29 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 04:05 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 11:08 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202507.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2025-07-29 13:45 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-30 08:59 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 21:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:59 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:39 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:03 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-07-30 08:12 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:30 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:33 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 22:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 03:21 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:23 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:58 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 14:44 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:39 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:27 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 14:04 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:49 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 22:49 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:11 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-01 14:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 18:00 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:58 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-01 20:37 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 03:36 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-02 06:23 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 02:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:05 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:48 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-08-03 03:36 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:43 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-02 20:01 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 22:56 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:34 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-08-03 08:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 17:38 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-03 08:26 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 04:06 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-03 09:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:09 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-03 15:54 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 23:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:35 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:27 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 08:44 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:23 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:40 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:42 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:11 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 00:09 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:55 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 22:25 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-01 09:09 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-01 00:54 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-01 01:44 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 22:52 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:25 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:14 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 01:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 08:50 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-04 19:00 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 11:11 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:01 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:32 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:47 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:58 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:58 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:32 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:25 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 07:48 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 16:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 14:49 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:19 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:18 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 14:38 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:27 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 20:44 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:57 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:02 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:23 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 13:33 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 15:55 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 16:23 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 07:49 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-06 08:21 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 11:11 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-06 12:08 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 11:18 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:53 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 22:18 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:47 +0100
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 08:59 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <68895238@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #70074 |
Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202507.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote: > c186282 <c186...@nnada.net> [c]: > c> With 2FA *everywhere* the ONE acct I CANNOT lose is my > c> cell. That'd be a TOTAL disaster. This is the fuckin' world > c> we've made. > > Minor correction: this is the world YOU 've made. Not keeping a backup > of your 2FA codes on another device is YOUR choice and YOUR problem. With my bank and some others they send an SMS to it. Others do have TOPT codes you can wrestle out of their phone-app-insistent websites and they go into my usual backups. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-28 21:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hdShQ.176917$B%x1.75251@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #70002 |
On 2025-07-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Future - every device becomes MORE STUPID. Actually, they have to become smarter in order to handle the gratuitous complexity being built into everything. But the result keeps getting worse - and the extra smarts is being used for things that are not very nice. > "Our Way or NO way". Not great. Agreed. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 09:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1069uko$6nha$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #70039 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >On 2025-07-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> Future - every device becomes MORE STUPID. > >Actually, they have to become smarter in order to handle >the gratuitous complexity being built into everything. >But the result keeps getting worse - and the extra smarts >is being used for things that are not very nice. In central Europe, the more savvy users have CPEs¹ made by German company AVM. They're pretty decent for all-in-one-units. ISPs even advertise to their clients that they'll be getting an AVM CPE. All other ISP-owned CPEs for residentials suck. Greetings Marc ¹ Customer Premises Equipment -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 10:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106a619$2i8h8$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70057 |
On 29/07/2025 08:52, Marc Haber wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >> On 2025-07-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>> Future - every device becomes MORE STUPID. >> >> Actually, they have to become smarter in order to handle >> the gratuitous complexity being built into everything. >> But the result keeps getting worse - and the extra smarts >> is being used for things that are not very nice. > > In central Europe, the more savvy users have CPEs¹ made by German > company AVM. They're pretty decent for all-in-one-units. ISPs even > advertise to their clients that they'll be getting an AVM CPE. All > other ISP-owned CPEs for residentials suck. > > Greetings > Marc > > ¹ Customer Premises Equipment All I have is a fibre NTE box on the wall that tales power and has an Ethernet socket. It does PPPoE presentation to my ISP. I supply the router. -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 20:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <106b4h3$9b0j$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #70068 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >All I have is a fibre NTE box on the wall that tales power and has an >Ethernet socket. It does PPPoE presentation to my ISP. Likely just a media converter. Fiber is so new in Germany that there is no universal standard yet, so ISPs try to mask that complexity away by also supplying the router. Our regulator is pushing back hard to allow the more savvy users to choose their own router. The first and only ISP-owned Router (IAD - Integrated Access Device) that I couldn't get rid of was the infamous ZyXEL "UFO" that killed idle TCP sessions after ten minutes and didn't properly NAT UDP streams, so neither ssh nor vpn links were stable. And the hotline was like "can you access the web? Yes? Then we're doing what we told you we'd do, ticket closed". Thankfully I never paid a cent for that link, it wouldn't have been worth one. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 21:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106b9dr$2r3s7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70093 |
On 29/07/2025 19:39, Marc Haber wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> All I have is a fibre NTE box on the wall that tales power and has an >> Ethernet socket. It does PPPoE presentation to my ISP. > > Likely just a media converter. Well I call it a modem. People leap on me and say it' just a ONT -' Optical network termination' But yes, it encrypts Ethernet packets over an optical medium, And the next 50km or so they are just passive optical signals. "GPON (Gigabit Passive Optical Network), designated as ITU-T standard G.984.2 is a medium for delivering data services (including digital TV, Internet and phone services) over fibre optic cables. It's an alternative to DSL and cable technologies which are the most commonly used delivery methods for Internet and triple play (TV, VoIP & Internet). Note that we're using the British spelling of fibre here - in American English, it's fiber. " Current GPON standards in use provide a data rate of 2.488Gb/s downstream and 1.244Gb/s upstream. That's a fixed speed. Unlike cable systems GPON's speed doesn't get lower with distance, however there are maximum distances that the line can run, beyond which the signal is no longer viable. You either have 100% signal at full speed, or none. That maximum is up to 20Km depending on the laser power in use however that does depend on the number of splits - more on that later. Next generation GPON, known as 10G GPON or XG-PON will provide up to 10Gb/s in both directions. It will use the same fibre cables so only the equipment at each end will need to be replace Then they get to a 'regional concentrator' where there is active electronics. Note that that 10Gbps is shared between other users on the fibre. You don't get it all. The premises kit restricts transmission rates to what you have paid for. Given that there may be up to 72 fibres in a typical bundle that's 720Gbps going alone a given street or road. to a single concentrator. A regional centre has much more bandwidth than that - half a dozen concentrators for a rural region. Traffic over the fibre is encrypted to your ONT Fiber is so new in Germany that there > is no universal standard yet, so ISPs try to mask that complexity away > by also supplying the router. Our regulator is pushing back hard to > allow the more savvy users to choose their own router. > The universal standard is GPON, but of course you dont need to stick to it. My ISP no longer supplies the rate I am on - 40/10 Mbps. I could now upgrade to 100/20 for nearly the same money. I think it amounts to a change in the ONT . Which can be done remotely > The first and only ISP-owned Router (IAD - Integrated Access Device) > that I couldn't get rid of was the infamous ZyXEL "UFO" that killed > idle TCP sessions after ten minutes and didn't properly NAT UDP > streams, so neither ssh nor vpn links were stable. And the hotline was > like "can you access the web? Yes? Then we're doing what we told you > we'd do, ticket closed". Thankfully I never paid a cent for that link, > it wouldn't have been worth one. > Not good. > Greetings > Marc Compared with copper fibre Just Works. And I get very good bandwidth and availability. Occasionally it vanishes for a couple of seconds.. But that could be some rout change in the internet at large -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 08:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <meu2ffFm2ibU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70104 |
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:03:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <106b9dr$2r3s7$2@dont-email.me>: > On 29/07/2025 19:39, Marc Haber wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> All I have is a fibre NTE box on the wall that tales power and has an >>> Ethernet socket. It does PPPoE presentation to my ISP. >> >> Likely just a media converter. > Well I call it a modem. People leap on me and say it' just a ONT -' > Optical network termination' > > But yes, it encrypts Ethernet packets over an optical medium, > And the next 50km or so they are just passive optical signals. > > "GPON (Gigabit Passive Optical Network), designated as ITU-T standard > G.984.2 is a medium for delivering data services (including digital TV, > Internet and phone services) over fibre optic cables. It's an > alternative to DSL and cable technologies which are the most commonly > used delivery methods for Internet and triple play (TV, VoIP & > Internet). Note that we're using the British spelling of fibre here - > in American English, it's fiber. " > > Current GPON standards in use provide a data rate of 2.488Gb/s > downstream and 1.244Gb/s upstream. That's a fixed speed. Unlike cable > systems GPON's speed doesn't get lower with distance, however there are > maximum distances that the line can run, beyond which the signal is no > longer viable. You either have 100% signal at full speed, or none. That > maximum is up to 20Km depending on the laser power in use however that > does depend on the number of splits - more on that later. Next > generation GPON, known as 10G GPON or XG-PON will provide up to 10Gb/s > in both directions. It will use the same fibre cables so only the > equipment at each end will need to be replace > > Then they get to a 'regional concentrator' where there is active > electronics. > > Note that that 10Gbps is shared between other users on the fibre. You > don't get it all. The premises kit restricts transmission rates to what > you have paid for. > Given that there may be up to 72 fibres in a typical bundle that's > 720Gbps going alone a given street or road. to a single concentrator. A > regional centre has much more bandwidth than that - half a dozen > concentrators for a rural region. > > Traffic over the fibre is encrypted to your ONT > > Fiber is so new in Germany that there >> is no universal standard yet, so ISPs try to mask that complexity away >> by also supplying the router. Our regulator is pushing back hard to >> allow the more savvy users to choose their own router. >> > The universal standard is GPON, but of course you dont need to stick to it. > > My ISP no longer supplies the rate I am on - 40/10 Mbps. I could now > upgrade to 100/20 for nearly the same money. > > I think it amounts to a change in the ONT . Which can be done remotely > >> The first and only ISP-owned Router (IAD - Integrated Access Device) >> that I couldn't get rid of was the infamous ZyXEL "UFO" that killed >> idle TCP sessions after ten minutes and didn't properly NAT UDP >> streams, so neither ssh nor vpn links were stable. And the hotline was >> like "can you access the web? Yes? Then we're doing what we told you >> we'd do, ticket closed". Thankfully I never paid a cent for that link, >> it wouldn't have been worth one. >> > Not good. > >> Greetings >> Marc > > Compared with copper fibre Just Works. And I get very good bandwidth and > availability. Occasionally it vanishes for a couple of seconds.. But > that could be some rout change in the internet at large Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. https://ibb.co/RGCk03MN -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.15.8 D: Mint 22.1 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 575.64.05 Mem: 258G "Don't ask me, I have random access memory."
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 11:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106cs7k$357fp$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70138 |
On 30/07/2025 09:12, vallor wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:03:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher > <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <106b9dr$2r3s7$2@dont-email.me>: > >> On 29/07/2025 19:39, Marc Haber wrote: >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> All I have is a fibre NTE box on the wall that tales power and has an >>>> Ethernet socket. It does PPPoE presentation to my ISP. >>> >>> Likely just a media converter. >> Well I call it a modem. People leap on me and say it' just a ONT -' >> Optical network termination' >> >> But yes, it encrypts Ethernet packets over an optical medium, >> And the next 50km or so they are just passive optical signals. >> >> "GPON (Gigabit Passive Optical Network), designated as ITU-T standard >> G.984.2 is a medium for delivering data services (including digital TV, >> Internet and phone services) over fibre optic cables. It's an >> alternative to DSL and cable technologies which are the most commonly >> used delivery methods for Internet and triple play (TV, VoIP & >> Internet). Note that we're using the British spelling of fibre here - >> in American English, it's fiber. " >> >> Current GPON standards in use provide a data rate of 2.488Gb/s >> downstream and 1.244Gb/s upstream. That's a fixed speed. Unlike cable >> systems GPON's speed doesn't get lower with distance, however there are >> maximum distances that the line can run, beyond which the signal is no >> longer viable. You either have 100% signal at full speed, or none. That >> maximum is up to 20Km depending on the laser power in use however that >> does depend on the number of splits - more on that later. Next >> generation GPON, known as 10G GPON or XG-PON will provide up to 10Gb/s >> in both directions. It will use the same fibre cables so only the >> equipment at each end will need to be replace >> >> Then they get to a 'regional concentrator' where there is active >> electronics. >> >> Note that that 10Gbps is shared between other users on the fibre. You >> don't get it all. The premises kit restricts transmission rates to what >> you have paid for. >> Given that there may be up to 72 fibres in a typical bundle that's >> 720Gbps going alone a given street or road. to a single concentrator. A >> regional centre has much more bandwidth than that - half a dozen >> concentrators for a rural region. >> >> Traffic over the fibre is encrypted to your ONT >> >> Fiber is so new in Germany that there >>> is no universal standard yet, so ISPs try to mask that complexity away >>> by also supplying the router. Our regulator is pushing back hard to >>> allow the more savvy users to choose their own router. >>> >> The universal standard is GPON, but of course you dont need to stick to it. >> >> My ISP no longer supplies the rate I am on - 40/10 Mbps. I could now >> upgrade to 100/20 for nearly the same money. >> >> I think it amounts to a change in the ONT . Which can be done remotely >> >>> The first and only ISP-owned Router (IAD - Integrated Access Device) >>> that I couldn't get rid of was the infamous ZyXEL "UFO" that killed >>> idle TCP sessions after ten minutes and didn't properly NAT UDP >>> streams, so neither ssh nor vpn links were stable. And the hotline was >>> like "can you access the web? Yes? Then we're doing what we told you >>> we'd do, ticket closed". Thankfully I never paid a cent for that link, >>> it wouldn't have been worth one. >>> >> Not good. >> >>> Greetings >>> Marc >> >> Compared with copper fibre Just Works. And I get very good bandwidth and >> availability. Occasionally it vanishes for a couple of seconds.. But >> that could be some rout change in the internet at large > > Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. > > https://ibb.co/RGCk03MN > Excellent. -- “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 19:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mevad5F12k8U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70138 |
On 30 Jul 2025 08:12:31 GMT, vallor wrote: > Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. We've got a big pipe at work but I don't see all that much difference for many things. Patch Tuesday is almost as painful, and is downloading isos and so forth. I don't stream 4k videos where it might make a difference.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 22:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <106dupo$20i2$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #70158 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >On 30 Jul 2025 08:12:31 GMT, vallor wrote: >> Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. > >We've got a big pipe at work but I don't see all that much difference for >many things. Patch Tuesday is almost as painful, and is downloading isos >and so forth. I don't stream 4k videos where it might make a difference. A 4k video (HEVC) stays well below 40 Mbit/s. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 03:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf05otF12k8U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70161 |
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 22:20:08 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>On 30 Jul 2025 08:12:31 GMT, vallor wrote: >>> Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. >> >>We've got a big pipe at work but I don't see all that much difference >>for many things. Patch Tuesday is almost as painful, and is downloading >>isos and so forth. I don't stream 4k videos where it might make a >>difference. > > A 4k video (HEVC) stays well below 40 Mbit/s. My connection runs around 20 Mbit/s down.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <106epqq$463b$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #70177 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 22:20:08 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>On 30 Jul 2025 08:12:31 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>> Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. >>> >>>We've got a big pipe at work but I don't see all that much difference >>>for many things. Patch Tuesday is almost as painful, and is downloading >>>isos and so forth. I don't stream 4k videos where it might make a >>>difference. >> >> A 4k video (HEVC) stays well below 40 Mbit/s. > > >My connection runs around 20 Mbit/s down. If that's what you call a big pipe... -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 06:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf0gecF12k8U10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70182 |
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 06:01:29 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 22:20:08 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >> >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>On 30 Jul 2025 08:12:31 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>>> Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. >>>> >>>>We've got a big pipe at work but I don't see all that much difference >>>>for many things. Patch Tuesday is almost as painful, and is >>>>downloading isos and so forth. I don't stream 4k videos where it might >>>>make a difference. >>> >>> A 4k video (HEVC) stays well below 40 Mbit/s. >> >> >>My connection runs around 20 Mbit/s down. > > If that's what you call a big pipe... "We've got a big pipe at work". To clarify, Patch Tuesday sucks at work possibly as much as it does with my home 20 Mbit/s wireless. If the source throttles the theoretical speed doesn't make a difference. I don't do high fps gaming, watch 4K videos, and so forth where I might see a radical difference. In a different context I am happy with my Suzuki V-Strom. The Hayabusa is much faster but I don't really need to do 300 kph. 170 is perfectly good. I'm not saying high speed fiber is never useful but for many people their day to day use may not make use of its potential. This phenomenon applies to many things.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 13:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106fp9p$3p8un$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70184 |
On 2025-07-31, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 06:01:29 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 22:20:08 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >>> >>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>>On 30 Jul 2025 08:12:31 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>>>> Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. >>>>> >>>>>We've got a big pipe at work but I don't see all that much difference >>>>>for many things. Patch Tuesday is almost as painful, and is >>>>>downloading isos and so forth. I don't stream 4k videos where it might >>>>>make a difference. >>>> >>>> A 4k video (HEVC) stays well below 40 Mbit/s. >>> >>> >>>My connection runs around 20 Mbit/s down. >> >> If that's what you call a big pipe... > > "We've got a big pipe at work". To clarify, Patch Tuesday sucks at work > possibly as much as it does with my home 20 Mbit/s wireless. If the source > throttles the theoretical speed doesn't make a difference. I don't do high > fps gaming, watch 4K videos, and so forth where I might see a radical > difference. > > In a different context I am happy with my Suzuki V-Strom. The Hayabusa is > much faster but I don't really need to do 300 kph. 170 is perfectly > good. Some FIAT cars do 220 or even 250, but might take some time to reach the top speed. Something like an EuroSprinter is probably faster at that. > I'm not saying high speed fiber is never useful but for many people their > day to day use may not make use of its potential. This phenomenon applies > to many things. Won't Patch Tuesday's bottlenecks be the handling on the server side (which was rumored to throttle not-the-latest-product versions) and the processing on the client side (which has been described as not so efficient (and more complex on systems with WOW64), with some suggested workarounds involving shutting down the update service and installing patches directly? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 14:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106fs0a$3pthc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70190 |
On 31/07/2025 13:58, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-07-31, rbowman wrote: > >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 06:01:29 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >> >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 22:20:08 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >>>> >>>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 30 Jul 2025 08:12:31 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>>>>> Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. >>>>>> >>>>>> We've got a big pipe at work but I don't see all that much difference >>>>>> for many things. Patch Tuesday is almost as painful, and is >>>>>> downloading isos and so forth. I don't stream 4k videos where it might >>>>>> make a difference. >>>>> >>>>> A 4k video (HEVC) stays well below 40 Mbit/s. >>>> >>>> >>>> My connection runs around 20 Mbit/s down. >>> >>> If that's what you call a big pipe... >> >> "We've got a big pipe at work". To clarify, Patch Tuesday sucks at work >> possibly as much as it does with my home 20 Mbit/s wireless. If the source >> throttles the theoretical speed doesn't make a difference. I don't do high >> fps gaming, watch 4K videos, and so forth where I might see a radical >> difference. >> >> In a different context I am happy with my Suzuki V-Strom. The Hayabusa is >> much faster but I don't really need to do 300 kph. 170 is perfectly >> good. > > Some FIAT cars do 220 or even 250, but might take some time to reach the > top speed. Something like an EuroSprinter is probably faster at that. > Its not necessarily the top speed. In te UK there are many rroads where passing is difficult and plenty of people womble along at 40mph Having the best part of 300bhp on tap and brakes to match is very useful I don't believe I have ever exceeded 130mph > >> I'm not saying high speed fiber is never useful but for many people their >> day to day use may not make use of its potential. This phenomenon applies >> to many things. > > Won't Patch Tuesday's bottlenecks be the handling on the server side > (which was rumored to throttle not-the-latest-product versions) and the > processing on the client side (which has been described as not so > efficient (and more complex on systems with WOW64), with some suggested > workarounds involving shutting down the update service and installing > patches directly? > Indeed. I've watched Linux updates potter along - especially after a major one when everybody is downloading - and throttle back to 15Mbps or so. But one is buying utility and stability as much as speed. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as foolish, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 19:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf1v2pFess4U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70194 |
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:44:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Its not necessarily the top speed. In te UK there are many rroads where > passing is difficult and plenty of people womble along at 40mph Having > the best part of 300bhp on tap and brakes to match is very useful That's true. This time of year there is one road with only a couple of passing lanes, that is frequented by people hauling their boats up to the lakes. > I don't believe I have ever exceeded 130mph Most of the roads here are posted for 70 or 80 mph. I drive at the posted limit but 80 definitely impacts the fuel economy. Maybe I'm getting old but at one time there wasn't a daytime speed limit and traffic tended to move at 90 to 100 mph. I was never that comfortable on a bike in a pack of soccer moms in their SUVs going 100. Oddly, back east where the speed limits are lower everybody ignores them and you'd have to be suicidal to drive at the posted limit. Around here very few people drive faster than 80. Of course, the residential 35 or 45 mph limits tend to be ignored and that's where the cops hang out.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 19:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf1udbFess4U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70190 |
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 13:58:33 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > Some FIAT cars do 220 or even 250, but might take some time to reach the > top speed. Something like an EuroSprinter is probably faster at that. I had a Fiat Spider for a few months. I even got to drive it a few times when it was out of the repair shop. Cute, but I traded it in on a '73 Mustang. I never owned one but I rebuilt the engine on a friend's Alfa. The design was, er, interesting. Different friend and years later but I have a scar or two from an Alfa that went down the road on its roof. A lot of panache, not much durability. Ducatis fall into that class too. Desmodromic valve trains my aching butt. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/jesus-saves-1937-fiat-500-topolino- dragster-was-raced-by-a-chaplain-145323.html American Improved Fiat > Won't Patch Tuesday's bottlenecks be the handling on the server side > (which was rumored to throttle not-the-latest-product versions) and the > processing on the client side (which has been described as not so > efficient (and more complex on systems with WOW64), with some suggested > workarounds involving shutting down the update service and installing > patches directly? The process is designed to be as painful as possible. The download takes a long time regardless of connection speed and then there is the installation, often with a couple of reboots, and inspirational messages like 'Almost There'. Finally it reboots for the last time and you can log in. Not so fast! There's a few more minutes of 'Getting things ready for you' That's if everything goes well and it doesn't stall out. Then you have to stop the updater service, remove the Software directory, and try again. My Ubuntu box just applied updates and I have to reboot. I expect it will take less than 30 seconds, and I was able to get on with life while it was installing the updates. I've never found manually applying the KBs to be any faster. Now that you mention it, only Microsoft would put 64-bit stuff in system32, and 32-bit stuff in WOW64. I think they've improved or at least reduced the confusion but if you want to crease a DSN, both the 32-bit and 64-bit tools are called odbc32 and are in difference directories. Our support people would invariably use the 64-bit version when our software needed the 32-bit connections.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 14:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106fpk2$3ooje$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70184 |
On 31/07/2025 07:23, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 06:01:29 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 22:20:08 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >>> >>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> On 30 Jul 2025 08:12:31 GMT, vallor wrote: >>>>>> Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. >>>>> >>>>> We've got a big pipe at work but I don't see all that much difference >>>>> for many things. Patch Tuesday is almost as painful, and is >>>>> downloading isos and so forth. I don't stream 4k videos where it might >>>>> make a difference. >>>> >>>> A 4k video (HEVC) stays well below 40 Mbit/s. >>> >>> >>> My connection runs around 20 Mbit/s down. >> >> If that's what you call a big pipe... > > "We've got a big pipe at work". To clarify, Patch Tuesday sucks at work > possibly as much as it does with my home 20 Mbit/s wireless. If the source > throttles the theoretical speed doesn't make a difference. I don't do high > fps gaming, watch 4K videos, and so forth where I might see a radical > difference. > > In a different context I am happy with my Suzuki V-Strom. The Hayabusa is > much faster but I don't really need to do 300 kph. 170 is perfectly good. > > > I'm not saying high speed fiber is never useful but for many people their > day to day use may not make use of its potential. This phenomenon applies > to many things. I agree to the extent that I have no issue with a putative 40/10 speed. What I like is its more than a 5Mbps down 5i2kbps up that was subject to line issues on a monthly basis. And data is not capped in any way. And it is rock solid. Only issue I had was on a Saturday night and I phoned up, got a guy at home, who logged in and said 'I can see your NTE but not your router - is it plugged in? And the CAT5 cable had fallen out...broken catch. Fibre is more than speed. It's unlimited data and its always there. -- "Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold." ― Confucius
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 19:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf1vleFess4U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70191 |
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > What I like is its more than a 5Mbps down 5i2kbps up that was subject to > line issues on a monthly basis. And data is not capped in any way. I have a 100 GB/month cap and rarely hit it. In fact at the moment it reports 21.928 GB used as of 07/30/2025, and it rolls over on 8/12. Some months I use more but the current crop of Prime or Netflix videos aren't all that appealing and I haven't been watching youtube tutorials. Many people wouldn't be happy but it works for me. It was like pulling teeth to get Verizon to fess up to a data only plan with a decent cap. They push phone plans with data dangled on the side. My phone is not Verizon and has a 5 GB cap that I've never gotten close to.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 22:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pf-cnd1sQqvTthH1nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70203 |
On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> What I like is its more than a 5Mbps down 5i2kbps up that was subject to >> line issues on a monthly basis. And data is not capped in any way. > > I have a 100 GB/month cap and rarely hit it. In fact at the moment it > reports 21.928 GB used as of 07/30/2025, and it rolls over on 8/12. Some > months I use more but the current crop of Prime or Netflix videos aren't > all that appealing and I haven't been watching youtube tutorials. > > Many people wouldn't be happy but it works for me. It was like pulling > teeth to get Verizon to fess up to a data only plan with a decent cap. > They push phone plans with data dangled on the side. My phone is not > Verizon and has a 5 GB cap that I've never gotten close to. Note that SOME people - even with naught but just little phones - just HAVE to stream 4K/8K video all the time. Yes, they're kinda idiots. However their overages pump profit into the providers ... lots and lots ...... My last plan had a 2tb cap - new one, not entirely sure yet, gotta wait for the bill. I do download some of the latest Linux distros every two or three months ... so low-GB plans are NOT good. Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with my provider. Kinda too much work ... May not proceed.
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