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  Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-07-25 06:57 +0000
    Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-25 04:54 -0400
      Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-07-25 09:34 +0000
        Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-25 14:27 -0400
          Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-07-25 21:22 +0200
            Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-25 22:19 +0100
              Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-07-26 00:00 +0200
                Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-26 09:33 +0100
                  Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-26 09:42 +0100
                    Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-26 09:53 +0100
            Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-26 11:34 +1000
              Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-25 22:51 -0400
                Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-26 06:47 +0000
                  Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-26 03:52 -0400
                Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-07-26 17:45 +1000
        Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-25 18:32 -0700
          Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-26 12:33 +0100
      Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-07-25 20:26 +0000
    Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-07-25 21:16 +0200
      Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-25 22:16 +0100
        Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-28 18:00 +0000
          Re: Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 22:45 +0100
    Re: Open Source Doesn’t Write Itself, You Know. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-07 05:37 +0000
      Re: Open Source Doesn’t Write Itself, You Know. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 08:12 +0000

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#69886 — Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station

This pathetic bit of panhandling is currently front and center on their 
website.😄️

https://www.gentoo.org/news/2025/04/30/osuosl.html


Urgent - OSU Open Source Lab needs your help

Apr 30, 2025

OSL logoOregon State University’s Open Source Lab (OSL) has been a major 
supporter of Gentoo Linux and many other software projects for years. It 
is currently hosting several of our infrastructure servers as well as 
development machines for exotic architectures, and is critical for Gentoo 
operation.

Due to drops in sponsor contributions, OSL has been operating at loss for 
a while, with the OSU College of Engineering picking up the rest of the 
bill. Now, university funding has been cut, this is not possible anymore, 
and unless US$ 250.000 can be provided within the next two weeks OSL will 
have to shut down. The details can be found in a blog post of Lance 
Albertson, the director of OSL.

Please, if you value and use Gentoo Linux or any of the other projects 
that OSL has been supporting, and if you are in a position to make funds 
available, if this is true for the company you work for, etc … contact the 
address in the blog post. Obviously, long-term corporate sponsorships 
would here serve best - for what it’s worth, OSL developers have ended up 
at almost every big US tech corporation by now. Right now probably 
everything helps though.

-- 
All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free fall
into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental illness.

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#69893

Gentoo was one of those Interesting Ideas.

However it doesn't really offer much over the
more common distros.

Because of that it has no edge.

Like so many others it's going to go extinct.

Kinda straight-up Deb/Arch/RHEL distros - THOSE
will survive.

Any really 'new' OS ... it'll be Something
Completely Different - no guessing.

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#69895

On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 04:54:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> Gentoo was one of those Interesting Ideas.
> 
> However it doesn't really offer much over the more common distros.
> 
> Because of that it has no edge.
> 
> Like so many others it's going to go extinct.
> 
> Kinda straight-up Deb/Arch/RHEL distros - THOSE will survive.
> 
> Any really 'new' OS ... it'll be Something Completely Different - no
> guessing.

I agree.  Also, if any Gentoo users had jobs, they could donate a little 
here and there out of goodwill without having to be begged for it.  That's 
not happening though. You can't get blood out of a turnip.

-- 
All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free fall
into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental illness.

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#69908

On 7/25/25 5:34 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 04:54:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>> Gentoo was one of those Interesting Ideas.
>>
>> However it doesn't really offer much over the more common distros.
>>
>> Because of that it has no edge.
>>
>> Like so many others it's going to go extinct.
>>
>> Kinda straight-up Deb/Arch/RHEL distros - THOSE will survive.
>>
>> Any really 'new' OS ... it'll be Something Completely Different - no
>> guessing.
> 
> I agree.  Also, if any Gentoo users had jobs, they could donate a little
> here and there out of goodwill without having to be begged for it.  That's
> not happening though. You can't get blood out of a turnip.

   PART of the problem is the PAYMENT MODEL. They
   usually want some kind of e-pay - but I don't
   know who's real and who's not, how securely
   they store CC numbers or who to sue if it all
   goes wrong.

   And don't tell me PayPal ... PARTIALLY signed
   up once, bailed out in the middle ... then
   started getting bogus mails asking for my
   (non-existent) acct number and CC number and
   such. Traced one to Romania ..... that means
   active spying and/or an inside agent.

   Gimme a solid physical address and name and
   maybe I'll send a money order or something.

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#69911

W dniu 25.07.2025 o 20:27, c186282 pisze:
> how securely
>    they store CC numbers

Update your info: nova days CC numbers are generated randomly in bank 
mobile app (and remain valid only few hours). This is true even here, in 
Central Europe, in Poland (which is generally backward as hell).

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#69918

On 2025-07-25, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> W dniu 25.07.2025 o 20:27, c186282 pisze:
>> how securely
>>    they store CC numbers
>
> Update your info: nova days CC numbers are generated randomly in bank
> mobile app (and remain valid only few hours). This is true even here,
> in Central Europe, in Poland (which is generally backward as hell).

Did you mean: "bank card numbers"?

(Also, aren't there rules for what can be stored by merchants after
processing e.g. a CNP transaction?)

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#69919

W dniu 25.07.2025 o 23:19, Nuno Silva pisze:
> Did you mean: "bank card numbers"?

No. I just checked my new bank card, and I have two numbers: one bank 
card number, and second CVV (probably in the past it was called CC, and 
both are use to confirm internet Visa payments). And in the past CVV was 
printed on the reverse of bank card (with recommendation keep in secret 
for security reasons), and nova days it is generated randomly in the 
bank mobile app, and remain valid for few hours (for security reasons).

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#69933

On 2025-07-25, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> W dniu 25.07.2025 o 23:19, Nuno Silva pisze:
>> Did you mean: "bank card numbers"?
>
> No. I just checked my new bank card, and I have two numbers: one bank
> card number, and second CVV (probably in the past it was called CC,
> and both are use to confirm internet Visa payments). And in the past
> CVV was printed on the reverse of bank card (with recommendation keep

Except for American Express, who had the clever idea of having it on the
same side as the card number...

> in secret for security reasons), and nova days it is generated
> randomly in the bank mobile app, and remain valid for few hours (for
> security reasons).

Unless I'm mistaken, all of these additional elements, including the
printed CVV, cannot be stored *at all*.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#69934

Nuno Silva wrote:

> Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote:
> 
>> in the past CVV was printed on the reverse of bank card
> 
> Except for American Express, who had the clever idea of having it on the
> same side as the card number...
My latest bank cards don't have any details embossed on the front, 
they're *all* printed on the back.

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#69935

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:
> Nuno Silva wrote:
>> Jacek Marcin Jaworski wrote:
>>> in the past CVV was printed on the reverse of bank card
>> Except for American Express, who had the clever idea of having it on
>> the same side as the card number...
> My latest bank cards don't have any details embossed on the front,
> they're *all* printed on the back.

Most of mine are on the back now, the exception being the ones that
don’t have the PAN or CVV printed on them at all; you ask the app
instead.

I miss the embossed form, it made it easier to slide them out of my
wallet l-) Not that I have to do that often any more.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#69922

??Jacek Marcin Jaworski?? <jaworski1978@adres.pl> wrote:
> W dniu 25.07.2025 o 20:27, c186282 pisze:
>> how securely
>>    they store CC numbers
> 
> Update your info: nova days CC numbers are generated randomly in bank 
> mobile app (and remain valid only few hours). This is true even here, in 
> Central Europe, in Poland (which is generally backward as hell).

I guess Australia is even more backward - of the banks I use, just
one offers that for "medium to large businesses", so far as I can
find. Perhaps it's available from some separate online card
companies like Wise.

Anyway, then you're placing your faith in the developers of their
"mobile app". I prefer my solution of using debit/pre-paid-credit
cards with only just enough money loaded on before each online
purchase (plus about 10-20% to cover fees which often turn out
to be more than I think they'll be).

-- 
__          __
#_ < |\| |< _#

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#69924

On 7/25/25 9:34 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> ??Jacek Marcin Jaworski?? <jaworski1978@adres.pl> wrote:
>> W dniu 25.07.2025 o 20:27, c186282 pisze:
>>> how securely
>>>     they store CC numbers
>>
>> Update your info: nova days CC numbers are generated randomly in bank
>> mobile app (and remain valid only few hours). This is true even here, in
>> Central Europe, in Poland (which is generally backward as hell).
> 
> I guess Australia is even more backward - of the banks I use, just
> one offers that for "medium to large businesses", so far as I can
> find. Perhaps it's available from some separate online card
> companies like Wise.

   You don't have credit cards in Oz ??? I don't
   think that's real ... the things are integral
   to most every economy. In the USA and elsewhere
   people kind of LIVE on their credit cards, pay
   high interest just to have food and such to the
   end of the month.

   Yes, it's BAD to keep a large running (up) balance
   but that's how it is.

> Anyway, then you're placing your faith in the developers of their
> "mobile app". I prefer my solution of using debit/pre-paid-credit
> cards with only just enough money loaded on before each online
> purchase (plus about 10-20% to cover fees which often turn out
> to be more than I think they'll be).

   There USED to be a US bank that offered "instant/limited"
   fake credit card numbers. You could specify how much it
   was worth, how long it'd be good. It was very useful for
   online shopping, esp back when "security" was a sort of
   alien concept.

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#69929

On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 22:51:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    There USED to be a US bank that offered "instant/limited"
>    fake credit card numbers. You could specify how much it was worth,
>    how long it'd be good. It was very useful for online shopping, esp
>    back when "security" was a sort of alien concept.

I was trying to think of which one it was. It was a good idea. I haven't 
had a problem with PayPal and use it on sites I'm not familiar with. My 
Usenet provider is in Berlin and for a while they were using a European 
PayPal analog called Click'N'Buy. That would invariably get flagged by 
MasterCard even though it's only 10 Euros a year. They do PayPal now.

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#69931

On 7/26/25 2:47 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 22:51:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     There USED to be a US bank that offered "instant/limited"
>>     fake credit card numbers. You could specify how much it was worth,
>>     how long it'd be good. It was very useful for online shopping, esp
>>     back when "security" was a sort of alien concept.
> 
> I was trying to think of which one it was. It was a good idea. I haven't
> had a problem with PayPal and use it on sites I'm not familiar with. My
> Usenet provider is in Berlin and for a while they were using a European
> PayPal analog called Click'N'Buy. That would invariably get flagged by
> MasterCard even though it's only 10 Euros a year. They do PayPal now.
> 

   "Wachovia" ??? Too long ago to remember for sure.

   You've got the whole Euro thing to deal with. The
   USA picture is a bit different.

   The 'fake' CCards were damned good in the bad old
   days for placing orders with potentially dicey
   companies/people. SOME would be bogus, or just
   corrupted, and try to charge thousands to your
   card. YOU would have to try and deal with that.
   Might be successful, might NOT.

   These days I mostly give my numbers to large
   well-known corps/govt. 99% of what I buy is
   from Amazon - so I know who to blame/sue. And
   hell YES I'll sic good lawyers on them ... sue
   for millions, class actions. Fight or SUFFER.
   We've all become gladiators now ... never let
   the assholes win. Sad but true.

   What the fuck happened to nice old Western Civ ???

   If any current US bank will re-offer the 'fake'
   cards I'll move a bunch of money over to them
   in five minutes.

   Buying stuff for my last employer, seems my
   company credit card took a tour of the UK
   and EU ... hotels, posh clothing stores ...
   at least twice. I wasn't buying anything from
   what seemed to be dicey people, but SOMEBODY
   got the numbers and it was Party Time. It's
   one thing if the corp/staff can fight that
   but if it's just YOU - far more difficult !
   Haven't had a valid passport since maybe '84
   but the banks will SWEAR I was partying in
   London, Paris and Monaco yesterday .....

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#69930

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 7/25/25 9:34 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> ??Jacek Marcin Jaworski?? <jaworski1978@adres.pl> wrote:
>>> W dniu 25.07.2025 o 20:27, c186282 pisze:
>>>> how securely
>>>>     they store CC numbers
>>>
>>> Update your info: nova days CC numbers are generated randomly in bank
>>> mobile app (and remain valid only few hours). This is true even here, in
>>> Central Europe, in Poland (which is generally backward as hell).
>> 
>> I guess Australia is even more backward - of the banks I use, just
>> one offers that for "medium to large businesses", so far as I can
>> find. Perhaps it's available from some separate online card
>> companies like Wise.
> 
>   You don't have credit cards in Oz ???

Of course, but they don't usually have that feature of: "CC numbers
are generated randomly in bank mobile app (and remain valid only
few hours)". At least not with the banks I use (or they're not
mentioning it on their websites).

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#69921

On 7/25/25 02:34, CtrlAltDel wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 04:54:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>> Gentoo was one of those Interesting Ideas.
>>
>> However it doesn't really offer much over the more common distros.
>>
>> Because of that it has no edge.
>>
>> Like so many others it's going to go extinct.
>>
>> Kinda straight-up Deb/Arch/RHEL distros - THOSE will survive.
>>
>> Any really 'new' OS ... it'll be Something Completely Different - no
>> guessing.
> 
> I agree.  Also, if any Gentoo users had jobs, they could donate a little
> here and there out of goodwill without having to be begged for it.  That's
> not happening though. You can't get blood out of a turnip.

	I think you are being harsh on the Gentoo users.  I do not have
a job and donate to PCLinux from my Social Security Stipend.  Some
folks are much poorer and do not have a place to live which is compatible
with more that sleeping and eating.
	>
> 
> -- 
> All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free fall
> into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental illness.

	You had better stay out of advocacy newsgroups.
	I learned that a long time past when I used BBS to access Usenet.

	bliss

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#69940

On 26/07/2025 02:32, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>      >
>>
>> -- 
>> All of Usenet is in a psychological, emotional, and antisocial free fall
>> into an abyss and fully immersed in a drowning pool of mental illness.
> 
>      You had better stay out of advocacy newsgroups.
>      I learned that a long time past when I used BBS to access Usenet.

Hah!. We did indeed learn lessons that the social media generation has 
not yet come to terms with.

-- 
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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#69915

On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 04:54:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> 
> Like so many others it's going to go extinct.
> 

Gentoo and Linux From Scratch will outlive your lame
sorry ass.

That's because there will always be a community that craves
self-reliance and independence.

Don't forget.  You only began to use GNU/Linux when distros
became established.  You could not survive without them
then or now.

But others do not share the same experience.




-- 
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

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#69910

W dniu 25.07.2025 o 08:57, CtrlAltDel pisze:
> Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station

To avoid such stupid claims, Gentoo team should just start require fee 
for any updates (and only ISO image with basic packages should be for free).

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#69916

On 2025-07-25, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:

> W dniu 25.07.2025 o 08:57, CtrlAltDel pisze:
>> Gentoo Begs for Cash Like a Meth Addict at A Gas Station
>
> To avoid such stupid claims, Gentoo team should just start require fee
> for any updates (and only ISO image with basic packages should be for
> free).

How does that even fit in a distro like Gentoo?

It's source-based, rolling-release...

-- 
Nuno Silva

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