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  Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-23 00:16 +0000
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-06-23 00:34 +0000
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-23 00:39 +0000
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-23 01:31 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-23 01:38 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-23 06:00 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-24 02:39 +0000
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-06-23 02:40 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirectories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-23 03:19 +0000
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-07-14 16:57 -0400
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-15 07:48 +0200
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-15 08:35 +0100
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-15 07:44 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.nospam> - 2025-07-16 10:46 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-15 11:47 +0100
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-16 04:27 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-07-15 10:24 -0400
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-15 16:35 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-19 15:35 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-07-15 19:32 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-15 23:25 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-16 04:29 +0000
                Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-16 06:18 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-19 15:41 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-07-16 03:04 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-07-19 13:09 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-19 15:02 +0100
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-15 19:10 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-15 22:33 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-16 17:20 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-16 04:27 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-16 11:19 +0200
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-16 15:53 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-16 19:20 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.nospam> - 2025-07-16 10:38 +0000
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-23 02:22 +0000
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-24 02:42 +0000
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-23 04:03 +0000
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-24 02:45 +0000
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-24 04:25 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-24 06:37 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-24 06:55 +0000
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-23 01:05 -0400
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-23 08:23 +0100
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-24 02:47 +0000
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-24 03:16 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-24 04:52 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-24 01:28 -0400
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-24 20:38 +0000
                Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-24 21:37 +0000
                  Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-27 19:46 +0000
                Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-25 02:14 -0400
                  Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-27 19:49 +0000
                    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-27 18:34 -0400
                      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-28 14:07 +0000
                        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-28 23:06 +0000
                          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-29 03:41 +0000
                            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-29 04:44 +0000
                            XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-29 10:35 +0100
                              Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-29 23:58 +0000
                                Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-30 05:18 +0000
                                  Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 06:52 +0000
                                    Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-30 18:50 +0000
                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-30 13:15 -0700
                                        Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:30 +0000
                                        Re: XDG and Freedesktop Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 08:38 +0100
                                          Re: XDG and Freedesktop John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 12:49 -0700
                                            Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 23:57 +0000
                                              Re: XDG and Freedesktop Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-02 09:33 +0100
                                                Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 23:41 +0000
                                                  Re: XDG and Freedesktop John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 07:55 -0700
                                                    Re: XDG and Freedesktop The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-03 16:37 +0100
                                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 08:53 -0700
                                            Re: XDG and Freedesktop The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-02 09:27 +0100
                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-30 16:14 -0700
                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:29 +0000
                                        Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-01 03:40 +0000
                                          Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 04:28 +0000
                                            Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 09:01 -0700
                                              Re: XDG and Freedesktop Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-01 09:10 -0700
                                              Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 23:57 +0000
                                    Re: XDG and Freedesktop Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:07 +0100
                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:33 +0000
                                        Re: XDG and Freedesktop Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 07:02 +0100
                                          Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 07:30 +0000
                                          Re: XDG and Freedesktop Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-01 13:36 +0000
                                  Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-06-30 04:00 -0500
                                Re: XDG and Freedesktop Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:12 +0100
                                  Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:21 +0000
                                    Re: XDG and Freedesktop Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-01 04:20 +0000
                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 04:25 +0000
                            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-01 17:00 +0000
                              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-01 19:29 +0000
                                Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-02 18:20 +0000
                                  Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-03 16:18 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-24 01:13 -0400
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-24 06:42 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-24 03:42 -0400
                Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-24 19:16 +0000
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-06-29 12:30 +0200
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-29 20:31 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:40 +0100
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-06-30 14:03 +0200
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing  style. Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202506.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2025-06-30 02:17 +0200
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing  style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-30 05:53 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing  style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 06:55 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-30 02:05 -0400
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-30 20:32 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:34 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-01 11:45 +0000
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2025-06-27 17:57 -0300

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#69259 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop

On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 09:01:50 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> OSX is marvelous - it's Unix when freenix zealots want to count it for
> representation in popularity contests vs. The Great Satan of Redmond,
> but *not* Unix when they need to justify some arbitrary decision of a
> freenix "standards" group as The Only Way. A true chameleon!

There is this thing called “the Unix philosophy”. Or perhaps we should 
start calling it “the *nix philosophy”, to get away from any trademark 
confusion.

One of its principles is “mechanism, not policy”. The OS kernel and core 
userland should be a versatile toolkit on top of which the user/developer/
admin can build more specialized applications; that core should not 
enforce any particular policies about how such apps should work, instead 
just providing a suitably-general mechanism on which the user/developer/
admin can implement just about any policy they desire.

Consider how the X11 display server, and its Wayland successor, conform to 
this philosophy, being basically toolkits on top of which you can build 
countless different styles of GUIs. Or even none at all, if that’s your 
desire. And consider how MacOS violates that philosophy, by inextricably 
binding its “One True” GUI, right up to a very high level, directly into 
the OS kernel.

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#69225 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop

On 2025-06-30, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 05:18:06 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>     ldo@theon:~> ls -d ~/.[!.]* | wc -l 270
>>>
>>> Death to dotfile clutter!
>> 
>> Unix ... has dot files.
>
> Way too many of them. How many are there in your $HOME?
>
> The XDG spec aims to keep this clutter under control.

You did miss the point that the spec does this in a way that
specifically does not allow to retain the previous behaviour. Why?

This, intentionally or not, deals a blow to choice.

It would literally take just a dot per file to retain that
compatibility. You call them "dot files", but that's precisely the
problem, they *aren't* "dot files" anymore.

>>> This is all implemented in common library code. If the same code runs
>>> on a different *nix system, built against the same libraries, then it
>>> will implement the same conventions for its dotfiles.
>> 
>> Bunch of big "if"s there.
>
> Most of the Linux distros around already contain those libraries. The 
> whole freedesktop.org group has widespread support among *nixes. They’re 
> not some “fringe” group as you might think.

Oh, how common is freedesktop adoption in non-Linux-based UNIX-like
systems?


>>> These are very versatile things. They not only define clickable icons
>>> on the desktop, but also menu entries. And also icons in the favourites
>>> toolbar. And also custom entries in the “create new document” menu in
>>> file managers.
>> 
>> Somehow I find myself not needing any of those things.
>
> If you run a Linux GUI, then you already have them.

No. See, you're doing what freedesktop appears to sometimes do, conflate
GUI with "full-featured Desktop Environment". It's possible to use a GUI
in a Linux-based system without most or all of that. 

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#69231 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop

On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:07:03 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:

> You did miss the point that the spec does this in a way that
> specifically does not allow to retain the previous behaviour. Why?

To get rid of the clutter.

> This, intentionally or not, deals a blow to choice.

Think of it this way: keeping all those dotfiles in the root of $HOME is 
not just clutter, it’s also a potential privacy risk. It lets other users 
on the system see the kinds of apps you run, and perhaps even when you 
last ran them.

> It would literally take just a dot per file to retain that
> compatibility.

Putting files beginning with “.” inside directories beginning with “.” is 
kind of ... stupid, don’t you think? The initial “.” is supposed to denote 
“don’t normally show this file/dir”. It was a hack to reduce clutter.

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#69243 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop

On 2025-07-01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:07:03 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:
>
>> You did miss the point that the spec does this in a way that
>> specifically does not allow to retain the previous behaviour. Why?
>
> To get rid of the clutter.
>
>> This, intentionally or not, deals a blow to choice.
>
> Think of it this way: keeping all those dotfiles in the root of $HOME is 
> not just clutter, it’s also a potential privacy risk. It lets other users 
> on the system see the kinds of apps you run, and perhaps even when you 
> last ran them.

That's not really a valid argument, is it?

Sounds to me that you need to check the permissions and umask in use in
your system?

>> It would literally take just a dot per file to retain that
>> compatibility.
>
> Putting files beginning with “.” inside directories beginning with “.” is 
> kind of ... stupid, don’t you think? The initial “.” is supposed to denote 
> “don’t normally show this file/dir”. It was a hack to reduce clutter.

At this point, I'm starting to suspect you're trying to justify a bad
and non-inclusive design decision as you go.

It's all fun to argue about "." in front of names being a hack, but
that's a very tiny cost that'd have given you the ability to coexist
with the existing approach.

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#69244 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop

On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:02:45 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:

> On 2025-07-01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> Think of it this way: keeping all those dotfiles in the root of $HOME
>> is not just clutter, it’s also a potential privacy risk. It lets other
>> users on the system see the kinds of apps you run, and perhaps even
>> when you last ran them.
> 
> That's not really a valid argument, is it?
> 
> Sounds to me that you need to check the permissions and umask in use in
> your system?

Suppose you wanted to share some files with other users, but not other 
files. Tell me how you would group things and set permissions on your 
directories to achieve that, starting from $HOME.

> It's all fun to argue about "." in front of names being a hack, but
> that's a very tiny cost that'd have given you the ability to coexist
> with the existing approach.

One or two files, no big deal. Once we get up to a few hundred, then 
that’s clutter.

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#69250 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop

Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-07-01, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:07:03 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> It would literally take just a dot per file to retain that
>>> compatibility.
>>
>> Putting files beginning with “.” inside directories beginning with “.” is 
>> kind of ... stupid, don’t you think? The initial “.” is supposed to denote 
>> “don’t normally show this file/dir”. It was a hack to reduce clutter.
> 
> At this point, I'm starting to suspect you're trying to justify a bad
> and non-inclusive design decision as you go.

Lawrence is more often trolling than contributing.  You are starting to 
sense the Dr.  Jeckil trolling side here.  A killfile entry helps to 
reduce one's exposure to the trolling.

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#69215 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.)

In Message-ID: <eli$2506300118@qaz.wtf> Eli the Bearded:

[Snip...]

> Somehow I find myself not needing any of those things.

+1

> Elijah
> ------
> is admittedly different in UI taste

++1

Running barebones openbox DIY pointy-clicky hoopla.

Yeah, I'm a greybeard luddite. So sue me.

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Pardon any bogus email addresses (wookie) in place for spambots.
Really, it's (wyrd) at att, dotted with net. * DO NOT SPAM IT. *
I toss GoogleGroup (http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/).

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#69226 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop

On 2025-06-30, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 10:35:05 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:
>
[...]
>> I think the only challenge of this one, once one knows the tools,
>> might be that it requires "desktop entry" files (".desktop").
>
> These are very versatile things. They not only define clickable icons on 
> the desktop, but also menu entries. And also icons in the favourites 
> toolbar. And also custom entries in the “create new document” menu in file 
> managers.

Yes, but they're additional things, which was what I was aiming at with
the «it requires "desktop entry" files» part, as opposed to just
providing a binary name or a command to execute.

If the tool you want to use does not have a desktop entry file, can you
use it for file/protocol associations without creating such a file
first?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#69228 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop

On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:12:14 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:

> On 2025-06-30, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 10:35:05 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>
>>> I think the only challenge of this one, once one knows the tools,
>>> might be that it requires "desktop entry" files (".desktop").
>>
>> These are very versatile things. They not only define clickable icons
>> on the desktop, but also menu entries. And also icons in the favourites
>> toolbar. And also custom entries in the “create new document” menu in
>> file managers.
> 
> Yes, but they're additional things, which was what I was aiming at with
> the «it requires "desktop entry" files» part, as opposed to just
> providing a binary name or a command to execute.

They are wrappers, which allow you to hook your custom functions into the 
GUI in all the places where you might want to.

> If the tool you want to use does not have a desktop entry file, can you
> use it for file/protocol associations without creating such a file
> first?

Doesn’t seem like it <https://manpages.debian.org/xdg-mime(1)>. Document-
application associations are an inseparable part of the whole concept of a 
GUI.

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#69240 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop

In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> Document-application associations are an inseparable part of the whole
> concept of a GUI.

Uh-huh. I think you fail to convey anything significant there.

Document-*TYPE* application associations (in the "preferences" not
"requirements" meaning of "association") existed before GUIs are are
baked into TUI and CLIs in various ways, consider $EDITOR and
mailcap configuration, which gets used by Pine and Elm.

Macintosh in the pre-"Unix inside" age (maybe still but I'm not looking
under the covers these days) associated an owner and type to a file --
an individual file -- both as four letter codes. Any program that could
open TEXT files could edit a TEXT file with say "File->Open". But if you
double-clicked an icon, it would try to use the program that owned the
file. That was a "document-application association" in the true sense.
You needed to edit the file itself to change what program would be the
default to open it, and there were power user tools to do just that.

Windows does it's own thing, the details of which I am blissfully
unaware of.

There's nothing stopping you or I from building some new system of
associations. Maybe file(1) could be modified to be a launcher. Or
a GUI could use directories as keys for the program to launch. There's
the Android model with common types managed by the OS and private
ones quite literally owned by the app (dedicated user per app along
the lines of daemons).

A Plan 9 system might create a union mount between a program and
the files for it, and under Plan 9 such mounts could be created
per process if needed.

Elijah
------
used mgr ( hack.org/~mc/mgr/ ) briefly but does not recall how it worked there

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#69241 — Re: XDG and Freedesktop

On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 04:20:16 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Document-application associations are an inseparable part of the whole
>> concept of a GUI.
> 
> Uh-huh. I think you fail to convey anything significant there.

You were asking whether it was possible to set up such associations in an 
XDG-style system without the help of .desktop files. The answer is no.

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#69255

Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote at 03:41 this Sunday (GMT):
> In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:07:22 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> I refuse to use drag-and-drop.  It's too dangerous, even for experienced
>>> users.  One slip of the finger on the mouse button you're dragging, and
>>> it's time for
>>> $ find ~ -print | grep <myfilename>
>
> Valid, but I'd probably go with:
>
>      find ~ -name \*myfilename\*
>
> I don't use drag-n-drop because I don't use any file manager I can drag
> from.

There's a handy program I use sometimes called dragon-drop that lets you
spawn a simple file window to drag onto programs as needed. Very useful
for scripts.

>> In my case, it would just end up on the desktop. (What? You don't have an 
>> entire virtual desktop dedicated to things like your email client?)
>
> Nope. Why would I need a virtual desktop for mailx? I don't have a
> "desktop" I have a root window blissfully free of icons. If only I could
> convince XDG aware programs that "Desktop" is not a place.
>
> $ grep -i desktop ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
> XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/.empty"
> $ (cd ; du .empty)
> 4       .empty
> $
>
> Elijah
> ------
> does a lot of command line file management on his phone, too


Do you use xscreensaver to set the root window?
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#69256

In comp.os.linux.misc,
candycanearter07  <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote at 03:41 this Sunday (GMT):
>> does a lot of command line file management on his phone, too
> Do you use xscreensaver to set the root window?

No. I don't run any x... programs on my phone. I do image resizing and
video file management with Termux, though.

Also, I tend to set a background on my phone when it is new and never
change it again, so not really useful to install special software for.

Elijah
------
has sometimes had two or three backgrounds over the life a phone

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#69287

Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote at 19:29 this Tuesday (GMT):
> In comp.os.linux.misc,
> candycanearter07  <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote at 03:41 this Sunday (GMT):
>>> does a lot of command line file management on his phone, too
>> Do you use xscreensaver to set the root window?
>
> No. I don't run any x... programs on my phone. I do image resizing and
> video file management with Termux, though.

Oh, cool! Your phone offers a terminal?

> Also, I tend to set a background on my phone when it is new and never
> change it again, so not really useful to install special software for.
>
> Elijah
> ------
> has sometimes had two or three backgrounds over the life a phone


Neat. I change my backgrounds like every couple months or so, when I
come up with something to draw for it.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#69313

In comp.os.linux.misc,
candycanearter07  <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Oh, cool! Your phone offers a terminal?

I use Termux (and plugins like Termux:Api and Termux:Widget) loaded from
F-Droid. If your device is rooted, there's a sudo for Termux.

Elijah
------
there was a "Play Store" Termux but Google rules de-facto killed it

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#69077

On 6/23/25 11:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 02:47:40 -0000 (UTC), pH wrote:
> 
>> ...I tend to think command-liney since I'm a CP/M fan at heart....but
>> Linux is okay, too, don't get me wrong.
> 
> Unfortunately Linux doesn’t have those drive letters that CP/M fans know
> and love.
> 
> MS-DOS copied them, though, and Windows still uses them to this day. You
> might be more at home over there.

   DOS *was* a (stolen) version of CP/M. The only
   good trick was to make 'pip' run all the time.

   I actually *do* like drive letters - and so do
   most people. In the office people KNEW what
   was meant by the 'P-drive' - but they'd NEVER
   be able to related to /dev/whatever. MOST
   people are NOT experts - but we expect them
   to DO lots of stuff.

   You can kind of FAKE 'drive letters' in -ix, but
   it's still not quite the same. M$ introduced
   an 'improvement' years back where you could only
   have a shared/named drive from ONE IP address.
   Had to make fixes for that, lots and lots of
   aliases. Nasty.

   As for the poster ... if he doesn't have SOME kind
   of description for his photos then he's just kind
   of SCREWED. Only some heavy 'AI' might be able to
   look at them and extract SOME kind of generalities.

   PLACING them on disk ... simple hashing. You're
   never far from what you need that way.

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#69084

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 01:13:52 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>  You can kind of FAKE 'drive letters' in -ix, but
>    it's still not quite the same. M$ introduced an 'improvement' years
>    back where you could only have a shared/named drive from ONE IP
>    address. Had to make fixes for that, lots and lots of aliases. Nasty.

There is the weird thing Cygwin does with drive letters. I don't think 
it's the same as the WSL /mnt/c convention.

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#69090

On 6/24/25 2:42 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 01:13:52 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>   You can kind of FAKE 'drive letters' in -ix, but
>>     it's still not quite the same. M$ introduced an 'improvement' years
>>     back where you could only have a shared/named drive from ONE IP
>>     address. Had to make fixes for that, lots and lots of aliases. Nasty.
> 
> There is the weird thing Cygwin does with drive letters. I don't think
> it's the same as the WSL /mnt/c convention.


   Don't CARE who did it or WHY ... looks like M$ is
   trying to freeze-out the -ix server universe.

   Just HATE 'em.

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#69098

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 03:42:07 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> On 6/24/25 2:42 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 01:13:52 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>   You can kind of FAKE 'drive letters' in -ix, but
>>>     it's still not quite the same. M$ introduced an 'improvement'
>>>     years back where you could only have a shared/named drive from ONE
>>>     IP address. Had to make fixes for that, lots and lots of aliases.
>>>     Nasty.
>> 
>> There is the weird thing Cygwin does with drive letters. I don't think
>> it's the same as the WSL /mnt/c convention.
> 
> 
>    Don't CARE who did it or WHY ... looks like M$ is trying to
>    freeze-out the -ix server universe.
> 
>    Just HATE 'em.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azure_Linux

Ballmer got fired a while back. 

theregister.com/2025/06/23/history_tech_selfie/

It was a charity event but it's an interesting combination. 

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#69185

On 2025-06-23 09:23, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> writes:
>> I've got a pile of scanned family slides in various directories.
>>
>> They need to be further subdivided and catagorized so here's my scenario:
>>
>> 1: I have directory 'A' full of jpgs.
>>
>> 2: I make a few (3-5) suitable sub-directories in that directory.
>>    (eg: "pets" "cars" "ski_trip" etcetera)
>>
>> 3: Is there a program that will display a thumbnail of a jpg (or any size, I
>> guess) and list the subdirectories somewhere on the screen,
>> 1 - pets
>> 2 - cars
>> 3 - ski trip
> 
> That seems like it could be done easily in an ordinary GUI file
> manager. Make the preview size big enough that you can easily see what’s
> in each picture, and drag images to the appropriate subdirectory.
> 
> Photo management applications usually have tagging systems of some sort,
> but I don’t have any specific recommendations that run under Linux.

Well, I use one, "shotwell". The photos are internally sorted into 
directories, ~/Pictures/year/month or ~/Pictures/year/month/days. But 
each photo has assigned "tags", like "pets", "cars", "ski_trips", etc. 
Any number of them. Thus, I can click on any tag and see all the photos 
that were assigned that tag.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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