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  Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-23 00:16 +0000
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-06-23 00:34 +0000
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-23 00:39 +0000
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-23 01:31 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-23 01:38 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-23 06:00 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-24 02:39 +0000
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-06-23 02:40 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirectories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-23 03:19 +0000
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-07-14 16:57 -0400
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-15 07:48 +0200
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-15 08:35 +0100
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-15 07:44 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.nospam> - 2025-07-16 10:46 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-15 11:47 +0100
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-16 04:27 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-07-15 10:24 -0400
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-15 16:35 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-19 15:35 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-07-15 19:32 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-15 23:25 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-16 04:29 +0000
                Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-16 06:18 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-19 15:41 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-07-16 03:04 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-07-19 13:09 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-19 15:02 +0100
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-15 19:10 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-15 22:33 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-16 17:20 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-16 04:27 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-16 11:19 +0200
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-16 15:53 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-16 19:20 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.nospam> - 2025-07-16 10:38 +0000
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-23 02:22 +0000
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-24 02:42 +0000
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-23 04:03 +0000
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-24 02:45 +0000
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-24 04:25 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-24 06:37 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-24 06:55 +0000
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-23 01:05 -0400
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-23 08:23 +0100
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-06-24 02:47 +0000
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-24 03:16 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-24 04:52 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-24 01:28 -0400
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-24 20:38 +0000
                Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-24 21:37 +0000
                  Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-27 19:46 +0000
                Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-25 02:14 -0400
                  Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-27 19:49 +0000
                    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-27 18:34 -0400
                      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-28 14:07 +0000
                        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-28 23:06 +0000
                          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-29 03:41 +0000
                            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-29 04:44 +0000
                            XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-29 10:35 +0100
                              Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-29 23:58 +0000
                                Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-30 05:18 +0000
                                  Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 06:52 +0000
                                    Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-30 18:50 +0000
                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-30 13:15 -0700
                                        Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:30 +0000
                                        Re: XDG and Freedesktop Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 08:38 +0100
                                          Re: XDG and Freedesktop John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 12:49 -0700
                                            Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 23:57 +0000
                                              Re: XDG and Freedesktop Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-02 09:33 +0100
                                                Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 23:41 +0000
                                                  Re: XDG and Freedesktop John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 07:55 -0700
                                                    Re: XDG and Freedesktop The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-03 16:37 +0100
                                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 08:53 -0700
                                            Re: XDG and Freedesktop The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-02 09:27 +0100
                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-30 16:14 -0700
                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:29 +0000
                                        Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-01 03:40 +0000
                                          Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 04:28 +0000
                                            Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 09:01 -0700
                                              Re: XDG and Freedesktop Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-01 09:10 -0700
                                              Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 23:57 +0000
                                    Re: XDG and Freedesktop Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:07 +0100
                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:33 +0000
                                        Re: XDG and Freedesktop Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 07:02 +0100
                                          Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 07:30 +0000
                                          Re: XDG and Freedesktop Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-01 13:36 +0000
                                  Re: XDG and Freedesktop (was: Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style.) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-06-30 04:00 -0500
                                Re: XDG and Freedesktop Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:12 +0100
                                  Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:21 +0000
                                    Re: XDG and Freedesktop Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-01 04:20 +0000
                                      Re: XDG and Freedesktop Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 04:25 +0000
                            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-01 17:00 +0000
                              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-01 19:29 +0000
                                Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-02 18:20 +0000
                                  Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-07-03 16:18 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-24 01:13 -0400
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-24 06:42 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-24 03:42 -0400
                Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-24 19:16 +0000
      Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-06-29 12:30 +0200
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-29 20:31 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:40 +0100
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-06-30 14:03 +0200
        Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing  style. Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202506.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2025-06-30 02:17 +0200
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing  style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-30 05:53 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing  style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 06:55 +0000
          Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-30 02:05 -0400
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-30 20:32 +0000
              Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-01 00:34 +0000
            Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-01 11:45 +0000
    Re: Program to dole out jpg's to subdirctories, card-dealing style. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2025-06-27 17:57 -0300

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#69597

In comp.os.linux.misc, John McCue  <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>> so I am not sure WHY it EVER was in "most Linux distros".
> I believe at the time (early 90s) xv was the only good
> image viewer that worked.

Can confirm that I used on Unix (not Linux) in mid-90s at least. Late
90s I replaced it with feh, and only went back to xv for fast cropping
(open, crop, save, and quit is faster than gnu imp chugging through all the
plugins during startup.)

> Slackware 15.0 moved it to the "extra" directory.  That
> usually means its days are numbered.

Last time I used it I noticed it performed poorly for my cropping needs.
In particular, for images larger than the screen, it would scale them
down to fit on the screen, crop *that* version and save the scaled
version when I wanted the unscaled one saved.

Elijah
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back to cropping in the imp

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#69604

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 23:25:05 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:

> ... only went back to xv for fast cropping (open, crop, save, and
> quit is faster than gnu imp chugging through all the plugins during
> startup.)

Just timed the startup of GIMP 3.0.4 on my main machine. Took 3 seconds.

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#69606

In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 23:25:05 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:
> > ... only went back to xv for fast cropping (open, crop, save, and
> > quit is faster than gnu imp chugging through all the plugins during
> > startup.)
> Just timed the startup of GIMP 3.0.4 on my main machine. Took 3 seconds.

Not too bad, I think gnu imp has improved start-up time. But xv is pretty
fast. If you use the keyboard shortcuts instead of the GUI buttons to
start the crop action and then save the file and quit, you only need
the mouse to draw the rectangle.

Flow goes:

	xv /tmp/filename.foo
	c <drag rectangle> <ctrl-s> <enter><enter><enter> q

One enter is to accept the image save options. Then double enter is to
exit the filename box and confirm overwriting. This is suitable for the
sorts of things I usually want a fast crop for.

I'd time it now, but I haven't used it in a few years and libraries
on my system have changed:

$ xv
xv: error while loading shared libraries: libtiff.so.5: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
$ 

(It is installed in ~/bin/ which is how it survived the OS upgrades.
The timestamp says I compiled it in 2016.)

Last time I timed it[*], just for opening and quitting (not editing), I
got these numbers:

time gimp --no-data --no-splash -f /tmp/pyramid.jpg -b '(gimp-quit 0)'
real    0m3.95s

time xv /tmp/pyramid.jpg
real    0m2.04s

time feh /tmp/pyramid.jpg
real    0m0.10s

$ identify /tmp/pyramid.jpg
/tmp/pyramid.jpg JPEG 344x324 344x324+0+0 8-bit DirectClass 47.6KB 0.000u 0:00.000

You can see one of the reasons I like feh for viewing images.

[*] That was December 2016. I do not recall which 2.x version of gnu imp
    I had, and my notes (= old Usenet posts) don't say. I did run strace
    to count system calls:

    $ strace -o /tmp/feh.strace feh /tmp/pyramid.jpg
    $ strace -o /tmp/xv.strace xv /tmp/pyramid.jpg
    $ strace -o /tmp/gimp.strace gimp --no-data --no-splash \
	-f /tmp/pyramid.jpg -b '(gimp-quit 0)'
    $ wc -l /tmp/*.strace
        1067 /tmp/feh.strace
      151202 /tmp/gimp.strace
       49195 /tmp/xv.strace
      201464 total

Elijah
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can't find the pyramid image today, but it was in /tmp/ so...

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#69759

Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> Last time I used it I noticed it performed poorly for my cropping needs.
> In particular, for images larger than the screen, it would scale them
> down to fit on the screen, crop *that* version and save the scaled
> version when I wanted the unscaled one saved.

When you have the "save window" open where you pick filetype and name 
the "crop", there's a checkbox for "normal size" on the bottom right 
just about the filename entry.

Check that and you'll get a full size crop instead of a "crop the 
screen scaled version".

Why it is not checked by default I do not know.

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#69601

On 2025-07-15, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
>>> I would use xv (by John Bradley) for that. It used to be in most Linux
>>> distros, but does not seem to be anymore.  More information: 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)
>>
>>I use XV once in a while, but on my 5K monitor it's a real struggle to
>>read the text.  I took a look at the source, everything is placed by
>>pixel.  It didn't look easy to fix.
>
> xv is an ancient program. I am not surprised that it wasnt written
> with today's resolutions and screen sizes in mind.
>
> The reason why it is not in the Linux distros is that it isnt free
> (neither as in beer, not as in speech). The cited wikipedia entry
> doesnt mention a license change, so I am not sure WHY it EVER was in
> "most Linux distros".

I used xv prior to 2003 on an Alpha machine.  From the printed
and comb/cerlox/surelox-bound manual for version 3.10a, stating
copyright years 1989 and 1994--minus bold and italics, modulo any
typos by me:

     xv Licensing Information

     xv is shareware for personal use only.

     You may use xv for your own amusement, and if you find
     it nifty, useful, generally cool, or of some value to
     you, your registration fee would be greatly
     appreciated.  $25 is the standard registration fee,
     though of course, larger amounts are quite welcome.
     Folks who donate $40 or more can receive a printed,
     bound copy of the xv manual for no extra charge.  If
     you want one, just ask.  Be sure to specify the version
     of xv that you are using!

I must have sent at least $40 to have the bound manual.  If I
remember correctly, the free version had an initial flash screen
and/or nagged for registration, and anyone who registered
received a diff or other instructions to modify the source code
to remove the flash screen and/or nag.

Thanks.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#69754

Le 15-07-2025, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> a écrit :
>
> xv is an ancient program.

Yep. There is nothing to say about that.

> The reason why it is not in the Linux distros is that it isnt free
> (neither as in beer, not as in speech). The cited wikipedia entry
> doesnt mention a license change, so I am not sure WHY it EVER was in
> "most Linux distros".

But I'm really surpris with that.

For it being brought with most Linux distro is easy to understand, at
the beginning, there was not that much choice, so including it in the
distro was an obvious choice.

But, for it being nor free, neither as beer nor as speech is much
surprising.

In the old time, free as speech wasn't a subject as it is Today, so
there was no issue at the time to include it.

But, the free as beer is more surprising. I never paid anything
particular for it. So, if it wasn't as free as a beer at the time, my
first slackware distro was just illegal, and that's really surprising.

-- 
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#69757

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> writes:
> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> a écrit :
>> The reason why it is not in the Linux distros is that it isnt free
>> (neither as in beer, not as in speech). The cited wikipedia entry
>> doesnt mention a license change, so I am not sure WHY it EVER was in
>> "most Linux distros".
>
> But I'm really surpris with that.
>
> For it being brought with most Linux distro is easy to understand, at
> the beginning, there was not that much choice, so including it in the
> distro was an obvious choice.
>
> But, for it being nor free, neither as beer nor as speech is much
> surprising.
>
> In the old time, free as speech wasn't a subject as it is Today, so
> there was no issue at the time to include it.
>
> But, the free as beer is more surprising. I never paid anything
> particular for it. So, if it wasn't as free as a beer at the time, my
> first slackware distro was just illegal, and that's really surprising.

See https://github.com/haegar/xv (scroll down a bit). It’s freely
redistributable, the registration fee applies to use (by certain
categories of user).

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#69594

Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote at 20:57 this Monday (GMT):
> Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
>
>> I would use xv (by John Bradley) for that. It used to be in most Linux
>> distros, but does not seem to be anymore.  More information: 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)
>
> I use XV once in a while, but on my 5K monitor it's a real struggle to
> read the text.  I took a look at the source, everything is placed by
> pixel.  It didn't look easy to fix.


Well, someone rewrite it into sxiv, then nsxiv. Nsxiv is pretty good, I
use it daily.
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#69596

On 2025-07-15, candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote at 20:57 this Monday (GMT):
>
>> Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
>>
>>> I would use xv (by John Bradley) for that. It used to be in most Linux
>>> distros, but does not seem to be anymore.  More information: 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)
>>
>> I use XV once in a while, but on my 5K monitor it's a real struggle to
>> read the text.  I took a look at the source, everything is placed by
>> pixel.  It didn't look easy to fix.
>
> Well, someone rewrite it into sxiv, then nsxiv. Nsxiv is pretty good, I
> use it daily.

Thanks for the tip.  I've downloaded nxsiv and it looks like a
good replacement for xv.  Yes, it handles progressive JPEGs.

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#69628

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote at 22:33 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 2025-07-15, candycanearter07
><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>
>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote at 20:57 this Monday (GMT):
>>
>>> Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> I would use xv (by John Bradley) for that. It used to be in most Linux
>>>> distros, but does not seem to be anymore.  More information: 
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)
>>>
>>> I use XV once in a while, but on my 5K monitor it's a real struggle to
>>> read the text.  I took a look at the source, everything is placed by
>>> pixel.  It didn't look easy to fix.
>>
>> Well, someone rewrite it into sxiv, then nsxiv. Nsxiv is pretty good, I
>> use it daily.

*rewrote

> Thanks for the tip.  I've downloaded nxsiv and it looks like a
> good replacement for xv.  Yes, it handles progressive JPEGs.


Yeah, I love how simple it is and how it can also be used in scripts
(with the -i and -o switches to read filenames from/write filenames to pipes)
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#69603

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 19:10:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Well, someone rewrite it into sxiv, then nsxiv.

But doesn’t the xv licence prohibit distributing modified versions?

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#69607

On 2025-07-15 21:10, candycanearter07 wrote:
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote at 20:57 this Monday (GMT):
>> Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
>>
>>> I would use xv (by John Bradley) for that. It used to be in most Linux
>>> distros, but does not seem to be anymore.  More information:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)
>>
>> I use XV once in a while, but on my 5K monitor it's a real struggle to
>> read the text.  I took a look at the source, everything is placed by
>> pixel.  It didn't look easy to fix.
> 
> 
> Well, someone rewrite it into sxiv, then nsxiv. Nsxiv is pretty good, I
> use it daily.

I just looked on openSUSE. sxiv is available and I installed it (comes 
from https://github.com/muennich/sxiv). License is "GPL-2.0-only". nsxiv 
is not available anywhere (ib openSUSE).

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#69624

On 2025-07-16, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2025-07-15 21:10, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote at 20:57 this Monday (GMT):
>>
>>> Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> I would use xv (by John Bradley) for that. It used to be in most Linux
>>>> distros, but does not seem to be anymore.  More information:
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)
>>>
>>> I use XV once in a while, but on my 5K monitor it's a real struggle to
>>> read the text.  I took a look at the source, everything is placed by
>>> pixel.  It didn't look easy to fix.
>> 
>> Well, someone rewrite it into sxiv, then nsxiv. Nsxiv is pretty good, I
>> use it daily.
>
> I just looked on openSUSE. sxiv is available and I installed it (comes 
> from https://github.com/muennich/sxiv). License is "GPL-2.0-only". nsxiv 
> is not available anywhere (ib openSUSE).

Under Debian, however, it's as simple as

$ sudo apt install nsxiv

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#69643

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote at 15:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 2025-07-16, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2025-07-15 21:10, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote at 20:57 this Monday (GMT):
>>>
>>>> Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> I would use xv (by John Bradley) for that. It used to be in most Linux
>>>>> distros, but does not seem to be anymore.  More information:
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)
>>>>
>>>> I use XV once in a while, but on my 5K monitor it's a real struggle to
>>>> read the text.  I took a look at the source, everything is placed by
>>>> pixel.  It didn't look easy to fix.
>>> 
>>> Well, someone rewrite it into sxiv, then nsxiv. Nsxiv is pretty good, I
>>> use it daily.
>>
>> I just looked on openSUSE. sxiv is available and I installed it (comes 
>> from https://github.com/muennich/sxiv). License is "GPL-2.0-only". nsxiv 
>> is not available anywhere (ib openSUSE).
>
> Under Debian, however, it's as simple as
>
> $ sudo apt install nsxiv


You can also always compile nsxiv from source?
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#69609

On 2025-07-15, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote at 20:57 this Monday (GMT):
>> Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
>>
>>> I would use xv (by John Bradley) for that. It used to be in most Linux
>>> distros, but does not seem to be anymore.  More information: 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)
>>
>> I use XV once in a while, but on my 5K monitor it's a real struggle to
>> read the text.  I took a look at the source, everything is placed by
>> pixel.  It didn't look easy to fix.
>
>
> Well, someone rewrite it into sxiv, then nsxiv. Nsxiv is pretty good, I
> use it daily.

Is sxiv a rewrite of sv?  I used to use XV, but I don't see the
similarity between the two except that they display images.

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#69019

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 00:16:08 -0000 (UTC), pH wrote:

> I've got a pile of scanned family slides in various directories.
>
> They need to be further subdivided and catagorized so here's my
> scenario:
>
> 1: I have directory 'A' full of jpgs.
>
> 2: I make a few (3-5) suitable sub-directories in that directory.
>   (eg: "pets" "cars" "ski_trip" etcetera)
>
> 3: Is there a program that will display a thumbnail of a jpg (or any
> size, I guess) and list the subdirectories somewhere on the screen,
> 1 - pets 2 - cars 3 - ski trip
>
> Then display a pic, ask me for a # and move the jpg to that
> corresponding sub-dir (maybe with a prompt) with <CR>/<SPC> to just
> leave it where it is. Q or ESC to quit.

I wrote a script <https://bitbucket.org/ldo17/SortPictures> mainly for
my own use, for quickly sorting through images in the way that you
mention, among many others. It’s not really GUI-based: you launch it
from the command line, and specify custom keystrokes for the actions
you want to perform, e.g. to sort images from the “unsorted” directory
into others:

    SortPictures --move=c:cars/ --move=p:pets/ --move=s:ski\ trip/ unsorted/

Then press “c”, ”p” or “s” as appropriate for each picture, or of
course you can leave it unsorted and go to the next one.

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#69065

On 2025-06-23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 00:16:08 -0000 (UTC), pH wrote:
>
>> I've got a pile of scanned family slides in various directories.
>>
>> They need to be further subdivided and catagorized so here's my
>> scenario:
>>
>> 1: I have directory 'A' full of jpgs.
>>
>> 2: I make a few (3-5) suitable sub-directories in that directory.
>>   (eg: "pets" "cars" "ski_trip" etcetera)
>>
>> 3: Is there a program that will display a thumbnail of a jpg (or any
>> size, I guess) and list the subdirectories somewhere on the screen,
>> 1 - pets 2 - cars 3 - ski trip
>>
>> Then display a pic, ask me for a # and move the jpg to that
>> corresponding sub-dir (maybe with a prompt) with <CR>/<SPC> to just
>> leave it where it is. Q or ESC to quit.
>
> I wrote a script <https://bitbucket.org/ldo17/SortPictures> mainly for
> my own use, for quickly sorting through images in the way that you
> mention, among many others. It’s not really GUI-based: you launch it
> from the command line, and specify custom keystrokes for the actions
> you want to perform, e.g. to sort images from the “unsorted” directory
> into others:
>
>     SortPictures --move=c:cars/ --move=p:pets/ --move=s:ski\ trip/ unsorted/
>
> Then press “c”, ”p” or “s” as appropriate for each picture, or of
> course you can leave it unsorted and go to the next one.

That sounds slick.  My pics are not labeled w/ nice identifying text;
it's all stuff like "dscn3334.jpg" and so on 

pH

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#69023

In comp.os.linux.misc, pH  <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:
> I've got a pile of scanned family slides in various directories.
> 
> They need to be further subdivided and catagorized so here's my scenario:
> 
> 1: I have directory 'A' full of jpgs.
> 
> 2: I make a few (3-5) suitable sub-directories in that directory.
>   (eg: "pets" "cars" "ski_trip" etcetera)
> 
> 3: Is there a program that will display a thumbnail of a jpg (or any size, I
> guess) and list the subdirectories somewhere on the screen, 
> 1 - pets
> 2 - cars
> 3 - ski trip

I use `feh` for such purposes. You can assign "actions" to the numbers
(0, 1, 2, 3 ..) so that when you view images you can hit a number and
run an action with the filename. Critically, it does not list the 
actions anywhere so you might want to use a notepad.

I document my use here: https://qaz.wtf/qz/blosxom/2020/03/22/new-logos

For your case something like:

mkdir pets cars ski-trip

feh --action1 "mv '%f' pets/"     \
    --action2 "mv '%f' cars/"     \
    --action3 "mv '%f' ski-trip/" \
    --scale-down                  \
    --cycle-once       *.jpg

I've been using feh since 1999 or so[*] and find it the most useful image
viewer. Documentation is via man page, `feh --help` will only tell
you "See 'man feh'"

[*] It has long had a feature to view images specified by URL. It also
    has a feature to reload an image after a certain amount of time. I
    vividly remember using it to periodically reload the some news
    website's (probably CNN) map of states called for Bush or Gore that
    fateful Tuesday in November 2000. I just didn't want to keep the
    whole webpage open.

Elijah
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#69066

On 2025-06-23, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc, pH  <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:
>> I've got a pile of scanned family slides in various directories.
>> 
>> They need to be further subdivided and catagorized so here's my scenario:
>> 
>> 1: I have directory 'A' full of jpgs.
>> 
>> 2: I make a few (3-5) suitable sub-directories in that directory.
>>   (eg: "pets" "cars" "ski_trip" etcetera)
>> 
>> 3: Is there a program that will display a thumbnail of a jpg (or any size, I
>> guess) and list the subdirectories somewhere on the screen, 
>> 1 - pets
>> 2 - cars
>> 3 - ski trip
>
> I use `feh` for such purposes. You can assign "actions" to the numbers
> (0, 1, 2, 3 ..) so that when you view images you can hit a number and
> run an action with the filename. Critically, it does not list the 
> actions anywhere so you might want to use a notepad.
>
> I document my use here: https://qaz.wtf/qz/blosxom/2020/03/22/new-logos
>
> For your case something like:
>
> mkdir pets cars ski-trip
>
> feh --action1 "mv '%f' pets/"     \
>     --action2 "mv '%f' cars/"     \
>     --action3 "mv '%f' ski-trip/" \
>     --scale-down                  \
>     --cycle-once       *.jpg
>

This looks very promising.  Hopefully I can add a "do nothing" case, too.
I'll read up on it.

pH



> I've been using feh since 1999 or so[*] and find it the most useful image
> viewer. Documentation is via man page, `feh --help` will only tell
> you "See 'man feh'"
>
> [*] It has long had a feature to view images specified by URL. It also
>     has a feature to reload an image after a certain amount of time. I
>     vividly remember using it to periodically reload the some news
>     website's (probably CNN) map of states called for Bush or Gore that
>     fateful Tuesday in November 2000. I just didn't want to keep the
>     whole webpage open.
>
> Elijah
> ------
> has various "${noun}sort" feh themes

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#69070

pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:
> On 2025-06-23, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> I use `feh` for such purposes. You can assign "actions" to the numbers
>> (0, 1, 2, 3 ..) so that when you view images you can hit a number and
>> run an action with the filename. Critically, it does not list the 
>> actions anywhere so you might want to use a notepad.
>>
>> I document my use here: https://qaz.wtf/qz/blosxom/2020/03/22/new-logos
>>
>> For your case something like:
>>
>> mkdir pets cars ski-trip
>>
>> feh --action1 "mv '%f' pets/"     \
>>     --action2 "mv '%f' cars/"     \
>>     --action3 "mv '%f' ski-trip/" \
>>     --scale-down                  \
>>     --cycle-once       *.jpg
>>
> 
> This looks very promising.  Hopefully I can add a "do nothing" case, too.
> I'll read up on it.
> 
> pH

The do-nothing case is just feh's standard "go to next image" action 
(spacebar or right arrow are the defaults for "go to next image").

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