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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-06-14 01:15 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-06-19 06:36 +0000 |
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VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-14 01:15 -0400
Re: VMS Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-14 10:05 -0700
Re: VMS Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-06-14 20:30 +0200
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-14 23:27 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-15 00:57 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-14 23:32 -0400
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-15 08:26 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-15 21:12 -0400
Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-16 18:15 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-17 23:20 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-18 04:14 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-18 02:34 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-15 18:49 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-15 22:45 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-16 04:35 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-16 01:35 -0400
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-14 23:03 -0400
Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-18 05:30 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-18 02:09 -0400
Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-18 19:00 +0000
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-18 20:23 +0000
Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-18 20:30 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-18 23:09 +0000
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-19 08:40 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-20 00:43 -0400
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 09:00 +0100
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 10:19 +0100
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 15:15 +0100
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-20 13:36 +0000
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 16:15 +0100
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-20 23:07 +0000
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-21 01:07 +0100
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-21 03:09 +0000
Re: VMS Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-06-21 03:43 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 01:36 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-21 05:53 +0000
Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-22 13:50 +0000
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-22 15:27 +0100
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-22 15:56 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-23 00:18 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-22 19:23 +0000
Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-23 18:10 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-23 19:27 +0000
Re: VMS Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-06-24 03:34 +0000
Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-24 04:52 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-24 05:14 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-24 01:36 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-24 06:49 +0000
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-24 10:31 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-25 01:36 -0400
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-25 07:31 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-25 03:08 -0400
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-24 08:56 +0100
Re: VMS Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-06-25 03:01 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-25 01:59 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-25 06:52 +0000
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-20 14:31 +0000
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 09:32 -0700
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 09:44 -0700
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-25 19:01 -0400
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-20 14:37 +0000
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-21 08:42 +0100
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-21 09:12 -0700
Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-21 18:44 +0100
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-21 20:47 +0100
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-21 13:31 -0700
Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-23 07:22 +0100
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-23 08:04 -0700
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-23 08:44 -0700
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-23 20:04 +0100
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-23 22:47 +0000
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-24 09:56 +0100
Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-23 21:53 +0100
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-23 14:28 -0700
Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-24 00:29 +0100
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 08:05 -0700
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-24 21:51 +0100
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 15:06 -0700
Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-25 07:06 +0100
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 10:39 -0700
Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-26 17:54 +0100
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-26 18:02 +0100
Re: VMS Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-07-27 04:04 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 01:50 -0400
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 12:07 +0100
Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-27 10:23 +0100
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 10:55 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 21:23 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 04:45 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 02:14 -0400
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:48 +0100
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:38 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:32 +0000
Re: VMS Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-28 14:17 -0700
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 05:08 +0000
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:44 +0100
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:39 +0100
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-29 01:03 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 05:29 +0000
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 11:42 +0100
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:16 +0000
Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-29 12:10 +0100
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:08 +0100
Re: VMS Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 09:51 -0700
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 18:53 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 04:51 -0400
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:32 +0000
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 09:22 -0700
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 12:11 +0100
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-27 22:02 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 04:58 +0000
Re: VMS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-01 19:13 +0000
Re: VMS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-08-01 20:38 +0000
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-02 00:01 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 02:24 -0400
Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-08-02 11:34 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:02 -0400
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-03 02:08 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:00 -0400
Re: VMS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 10:26 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 20:00 +0000
Re: VMS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 10:19 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 21:31 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:03 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 02:19 -0400
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 21:09 -0400
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 10:17 -0700
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:46 +0000
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 14:34 -0700
Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:34 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:48 +0000
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-29 01:00 +0000
Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-29 10:07 +0100
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-29 23:05 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:43 -0400
Re: VMS Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-08-02 18:11 +0200
Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-24 14:42 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-24 18:05 +0000
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 11:14 -0700
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-24 23:10 +0000
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-24 21:16 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-24 23:21 +0000
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-21 14:05 -0700
Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-21 21:14 +0000
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-21 22:19 +0100
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-22 02:10 +0000
Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-27 06:00 +0000
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-27 08:37 +0100
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-27 08:45 +0100
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-27 08:14 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-27 13:27 -0400
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-27 19:13 +0100
Re: VMS Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-28 09:16 -0400
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-27 13:24 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-27 17:40 +0000
Re: VMS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-06-27 18:20 +0000
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-27 23:03 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-28 01:13 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-28 06:10 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-27 18:16 -0400
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-28 08:52 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-28 23:16 -0400
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-29 08:18 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-29 19:09 -0400
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:36 +0100
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:51 +0100
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:59 +0100
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:33 +0000
Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-30 09:08 -0700
Re: VMS jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-06-30 22:18 -0400
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 09:00 +0100
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 09:24 +0100
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:34 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-30 23:30 -0400
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-30 23:26 -0400
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 10:49 +0100
Re: VMS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-07-01 12:44 +0000
Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-02 01:13 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-01 21:46 -0400
Re: VMS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-07-02 16:03 +0000
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 07:54 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-30 18:10 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-30 23:12 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-01 04:02 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-01 12:42 -0400
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:56 +0100
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-20 14:42 +0000
Re: VMS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-07-20 14:54 +0000
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-20 16:51 +0100
Re: VMS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-07-20 16:15 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-25 00:31 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-25 05:53 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-25 05:05 -0400
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-25 10:59 +0100
Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-07-25 16:20 +0000
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-25 08:43 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-25 04:39 -0400
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-20 21:18 +0100
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-27 19:40 +0000
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 21:19 +0100
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-20 23:17 +0000
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-21 08:42 +0100
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-21 07:02 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 03:23 -0400
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 01:27 -0400
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 01:10 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-21 05:59 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 02:10 -0400
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 10:12 +0100
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-20 13:39 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 01:23 -0400
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-21 06:57 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 03:07 -0400
Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-21 08:45 +0100
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-22 02:32 -0400
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-20 13:30 +0000
Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 16:14 +0100
Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-20 08:57 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 01:17 -0400
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-14 22:57 -0400
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-15 14:24 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-15 22:26 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-16 04:30 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-16 01:31 -0400
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-18 17:40 +0000
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-18 23:06 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-18 19:43 -0400
Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-19 01:08 +0000
Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-19 00:46 -0400
Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-19 06:36 +0000
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-06-14 01:15 -0400 |
| Subject | VMS |
| Message-ID | <wCqdnYde9MIbmND1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
I've still got my 3-inch (now painfully) small-type VMS manual. This was one of the genius systems - WAY beyond its time. If you were, maybe, the Hilton hotel chain and wanted to keep current with systems world-wide - over SLOW modems - VMS was set up to do it, even late 70s. This was a WELL thought-out operating system. Now, alas, somebody BOUGHT all the code and BIOS stuff. No longer 'free' for development. They will hold it hostage for the last nickel until it's utterly obsolete. Tragic. I still have HOPE there will be a New Linus - someone who sees the value of the system/approach and writes an updated work-alike. Various corps DO seem to be scheming against Linux. They somehow want to claim ownership and then absorb/destroy the system. The increasing M$ content is part of that scheme. A *FREE* OS - horrors !!! Some OTHER capable system is Disaster-Proofing the future. The other oddball is Plan-9 ... but it was never meant for 'home/small-biz' computers. They DID get it to run on the latest IBM mainframes though - there are celebration videos. Yea yea, there are a few other potentials, even BeOS, but they're just not nearly as capable as Linux or VMS. Amiga-OS ... sorry, no. Have less experience with the Control Data systems. MIGHT be useful. Just saying - Linux/BSD is great, but there ARE people legally conspiring against them. Really good alts DO need to Be There, SOON.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-14 10:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <102ka4k$9umt$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68776 |
On 6/13/25 22:15, c186282 wrote: > I've still got my 3-inch (now painfully) small-type VMS > manual. > > This was one of the genius systems - WAY beyond its time. > > If you were, maybe, the Hilton hotel chain and wanted to > keep current with systems world-wide - over SLOW modems - > VMS was set up to do it, even late 70s. > > This was a WELL thought-out operating system. > > Now, alas, somebody BOUGHT all the code and BIOS > stuff. No longer 'free' for development. They will > hold it hostage for the last nickel until it's > utterly obsolete. > > Tragic. > > I still have HOPE there will be a New Linus - someone > who sees the value of the system/approach and writes > an updated work-alike. > > Various corps DO seem to be scheming against Linux. > They somehow want to claim ownership and then > absorb/destroy the system. The increasing M$ content > is part of that scheme. A *FREE* OS - horrors !!! > > Some OTHER capable system is Disaster-Proofing the future. > The other oddball is Plan-9 ... but it was never meant > for 'home/small-biz' computers. They DID get it to > run on the latest IBM mainframes though - there > are celebration videos. > > Yea yea, there are a few other potentials, even > BeOS, but they're just not nearly as capable > as Linux or VMS. Amiga-OS ... sorry, no. Have > less experience with the Control Data systems. > MIGHT be useful. > > Just saying - Linux/BSD is great, but there ARE > people legally conspiring against them. Really > good alts DO need to Be There, SOON. Keep up with Distrowatch: They reported month ago that some group is writing a kernel in Rust to go with a new OS. Sorry but I lost the name of this one. bliss
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| From | Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-06-14 20:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <87tt4i9nw5.fsf@eder.anydns.info> |
| In reply to | #68784 |
On Sa 14 Jun 2025 at 10:05, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote: > Keep up with Distrowatch: They reported month ago > that some group is writing a kernel in Rust to go with > a new OS. Sorry but I lost the name of this one. You meaybe thinking of Redox OS https://www.redox-os.org/ 'Andreas -- ceterum censeo redmondinem esse delendam
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-14 23:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <102l0h9$fjtb$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68785 |
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 20:30:34 +0200, Andreas Eder wrote: > You meaybe thinking of Redox OS https://www.redox-os.org/ That name is obviously meant to be a kind of word play on “Rust”. As I recall from my high-school chemistry lessons, a “redox reaction” is one where one reactant is “reduced” (gains electrons) while the other is “oxidized” (loses them). This may or may not involve actual oxygen atoms (which are notorious eaters of electrons), but the concept has been generalized from that. The slight irony is that the name “Rust” does not come from the well-known redox reaction that iron undergoes with water in the presence of oxygen (catalyzed by a little bit of polar contaminants such as common salt), but from the name of a kind of fungus.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-15 00:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mb6k3rFlsd2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #68791 |
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 23:27:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > The slight irony is that the name “Rust” does not come from the > well-known redox reaction that iron undergoes with water in the presence > of oxygen (catalyzed by a little bit of polar contaminants such as > common salt), but from the name of a kind of fungus. Even more ironical, rust is a pathogen that the Romans sacrificed a dog in hopes of preventing, https://penelope.uchicago.edu/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/robigalia.html
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-06-14 23:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iKicnS3JDZlDo9P1nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #68796 |
On 6/14/25 8:57 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 23:27:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> The slight irony is that the name “Rust” does not come from the >> well-known redox reaction that iron undergoes with water in the presence >> of oxygen (catalyzed by a little bit of polar contaminants such as >> common salt), but from the name of a kind of fungus. > > Even more ironical, rust is a pathogen that the Romans sacrificed a dog in > hopes of preventing, > > https://penelope.uchicago.edu/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/robigalia.html Hmmmmmmmm ... in THEORY a dose of iron-containing hemoglobin in the vicinity COULD delay rusting ... I don't think the Old People were very aware of zinc. Bronze came early, but brass didn't really show up until much later. Probably because they didn't have any VMS units to help with analysis :-)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-15 08:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <102lsif$p6mb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #68802 |
On 15/06/2025 04:32, c186282 wrote: > I don't think the Old People were very aware of > zinc. Bronze came early, but brass didn't really > show up until much later. > Mm. Iron came and hordes of bronze bars became worthless. Talk about disruptive technology. The history of technology is fascinating > Probably because they didn't have any VMS units > to help with analysis 🙂 Very likely true -- The higher up the mountainside The greener grows the grass. The higher up the monkey climbs The more he shows his arse. Traditional
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-06-15 21:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <My6dnVtlTfPD8tL1nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #68804 |
On 6/15/25 3:26 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 15/06/2025 04:32, c186282 wrote: >> I don't think the Old People were very aware of >> zinc. Bronze came early, but brass didn't really >> show up until much later. >> > Mm. Iron came and hordes of bronze bars became worthless. > Talk about disruptive technology. > The history of technology is fascinating Bronze is STILL valuable ... but not in the major military sense as back in the old days. Of course bronze cannons were still made into the 1800s, but usually for small mobile applications. Iron was indeed a 'disruptive technology', I'll agree with that ! Even fairly crappy steel swords and spears were still better than bronze. >> Probably because they didn't have any VMS units >> to help with analysis 🙂 > > Very likely true Babbage was making his computers using BRASS gears and cogs - not bronze or steel. Lovelace didn't live long enough to invent VMS alas. Hmm, how WOULD you network Babbage AEs using the tech of the time ? The telegraph was demonstrated just a few years after he proposed the AE ... maybe a two baud connection ? :-) Steel micro-factoid - the famous Damascus steel that allowed the arabics to make light thin fast ultra- sharp swords was not actually MADE in Damascus or anywhere near. It came as ingots from outfits in eastern INDIA ... where the 'magic contaminate', vanadium, was introduced by accident because they lined their steel kilns with the plentiful seashells. The particular species tended to absorb and concentrate vanadium and it'd get into the steel.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-16 18:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7bZ3Q.75589$00L5.68100@fx41.iad> |
| In reply to | #68812 |
On 2025-06-16, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Babbage was making his computers using BRASS gears > and cogs - not bronze or steel. Lovelace didn't > live long enough to invent VMS alas. > > Hmm, how WOULD you network Babbage AEs using the > tech of the time ? The telegraph was demonstrated > just a few years after he proposed the AE ... maybe > a two baud connection ? :-) Well, Teletypes managed 110 baud (even 150 on the model 37 but that was pushing it). I have a 35RO on which I did a complete adjustment and lubrication schedule according to the manual. In the process I got a good look at how it decoded incoming data with nothing more than a honking big solenoid and a bunch of very clever little cams and pawls. Pretty awesome, actually. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-06-17 23:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pc6dnfrmaMLvrc_1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #68834 |
On 6/16/25 2:15 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-06-16, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> Babbage was making his computers using BRASS gears >> and cogs - not bronze or steel. Lovelace didn't >> live long enough to invent VMS alas. >> >> Hmm, how WOULD you network Babbage AEs using the >> tech of the time ? The telegraph was demonstrated >> just a few years after he proposed the AE ... maybe >> a two baud connection ? :-) > > Well, Teletypes managed 110 baud (even 150 on the model 37 > but that was pushing it). I have a 35RO on which I did a > complete adjustment and lubrication schedule according to > the manual. In the process I got a good look at how it > decoded incoming data with nothing more than a honking big > solenoid and a bunch of very clever little cams and pawls. > Pretty awesome, actually. Old telegraphs were interesting - because the data was essentially 'binary' - ones and zeros, contact or not. This made it possible to use simple relays as repeater/amplifiers. Easy 1800s tech. So, in theory, they COULD have networked Babbage Analytical Engines. Very low speed, but it really would have worked. I wonder what protocol Ada would have envisioned ? Babbage was the hardware guy, but Lovelace understood the Full Potential a LOT better.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-18 04:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mbespiF2tnjU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #68866 |
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 23:20:24 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Old telegraphs were interesting - because the data was essentially > 'binary' - ones and zeros, contact or not. This made it possible to > use simple relays as repeater/amplifiers. Easy 1800s tech. Sort of. The first attempts were complex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle_telegraph Morse and the refiners of his system introduced a time element, with a dot being three dits.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-06-18 02:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <99ScnUXAJeptwM_1nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #68868 |
On 6/18/25 12:14 AM, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 23:20:24 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Old telegraphs were interesting - because the data was essentially >> 'binary' - ones and zeros, contact or not. This made it possible to >> use simple relays as repeater/amplifiers. Easy 1800s tech. > > Sort of. The first attempts were complex. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle_telegraph > > Morse and the refiners of his system introduced a time element, with a dot > being three dits. Yea, required a few tweaks - but what doesn't ? In any case, using telegraph to network Babbage machines WAS possible by about 1850. Alas the machines WEREN'T THERE YET. The theory was perfect, the physical MEANS had not been realized. THAT had to wait for valves to replace brass gears. As best I've been able to tell, Lovelace never described any intercommunication scheme between Babbage computers. Her health went bad ... basically crushing the last half of her career alas.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-15 18:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mb8itrF1c5sU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #68802 |
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 23:32:37 -0400, c186282 wrote: > On 6/14/25 8:57 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 23:27:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> The slight irony is that the name “Rust” does not come from the >>> well-known redox reaction that iron undergoes with water in the >>> presence of oxygen (catalyzed by a little bit of polar contaminants >>> such as common salt), but from the name of a kind of fungus. >> >> Even more ironical, rust is a pathogen that the Romans sacrificed a dog >> in hopes of preventing, >> >> https://penelope.uchicago.edu/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/ robigalia.html > > Hmmmmmmmm ... in THEORY a dose of iron-containing hemoglobin in the > vicinity COULD delay rusting ... afaik wheat rust has nothing to do with iron. Odd to name your programming language after a fungus that has been destroying crops for millennia.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-06-15 22:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Wi6dnVqzopeoGNL1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #68811 |
On 6/15/25 2:49 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 23:32:37 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> On 6/14/25 8:57 PM, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 23:27:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> The slight irony is that the name “Rust” does not come from the >>>> well-known redox reaction that iron undergoes with water in the >>>> presence of oxygen (catalyzed by a little bit of polar contaminants >>>> such as common salt), but from the name of a kind of fungus. >>> >>> Even more ironical, rust is a pathogen that the Romans sacrificed a dog >>> in hopes of preventing, >>> >>> https://penelope.uchicago.edu/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/ > robigalia.html >> >> Hmmmmmmmm ... in THEORY a dose of iron-containing hemoglobin in the >> vicinity COULD delay rusting ... > > afaik wheat rust has nothing to do with iron. Odd to name your programming > language after a fungus that has been destroying crops for millennia. As the subject seemed to be IRON I was commenting on adding 'free Fe' into an environment were lots of iron was involved. WHEAT rust is a very different subject. Doubt blood would REALLY help there. But, superstition IS often stronger than 100 True Facts. Reason and 'gut feeling' are two entirely different brain systems - the latter being MUCH older and very much Darwin-Tested.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-06-16 04:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mb9l93F6akeU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #68817 |
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 22:45:18 -0400, c186282 wrote: > As the subject seemed to be IRON I was commenting on adding 'free Fe' > into an environment were lots of iron was involved. I believe it all started with the rust programming language which was named after a fungus. No iron involved. Now if the discussion were about IronPython...
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-06-16 01:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <RE-dnT-UoNrZMNL1nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #68821 |
On 6/16/25 12:35 AM, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 22:45:18 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> As the subject seemed to be IRON I was commenting on adding 'free Fe' >> into an environment were lots of iron was involved. > > I believe it all started with the rust programming language which was > named after a fungus. No iron involved. I thought it began with sacrificing dogs .... > Now if the discussion were about IronPython... Isn't that mostly a pointless Win/C# thing ?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-06-14 23:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Z2udned3u9ZgqtP1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #68791 |
On 6/14/25 7:27 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 20:30:34 +0200, Andreas Eder wrote: > >> You meaybe thinking of Redox OS https://www.redox-os.org/ > > That name is obviously meant to be a kind of word play on “Rust”. As I > recall from my high-school chemistry lessons, a “redox reaction” is one > where one reactant is “reduced” (gains electrons) while the other is > “oxidized” (loses them). This may or may not involve actual oxygen atoms > (which are notorious eaters of electrons), but the concept has been > generalized from that. > > The slight irony is that the name “Rust” does not come from the well-known > redox reaction that iron undergoes with water in the presence of oxygen > (catalyzed by a little bit of polar contaminants such as common salt), but > from the name of a kind of fungus. "Fungus" ??? TOO CRUEL ! Rust is perfectly OK ... but I don't see much advantage over plain 'C'. Lots of 'new langs' are like that, just 'C' with nastier syntax.
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-18 05:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1054j9c.3ce8.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> |
| In reply to | #68800 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote at 03:03 this Sunday (GMT): > On 6/14/25 7:27 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 20:30:34 +0200, Andreas Eder wrote: >> >>> You meaybe thinking of Redox OS https://www.redox-os.org/ >> >> That name is obviously meant to be a kind of word play on “Rust”. As I >> recall from my high-school chemistry lessons, a “redox reaction” is one >> where one reactant is “reduced” (gains electrons) while the other is >> “oxidized” (loses them). This may or may not involve actual oxygen atoms >> (which are notorious eaters of electrons), but the concept has been >> generalized from that. >> >> The slight irony is that the name “Rust” does not come from the well-known >> redox reaction that iron undergoes with water in the presence of oxygen >> (catalyzed by a little bit of polar contaminants such as common salt), but >> from the name of a kind of fungus. > > "Fungus" ??? TOO CRUEL ! > > Rust is perfectly OK ... but I don't see much advantage > over plain 'C'. Lots of 'new langs' are like that, just > 'C' with nastier syntax. Rust I personally dislike the syntax of, AND its development team is apparently pretty controversial. -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-06-18 02:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <PpudnVnCnvuYxc_1nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #68873 |
On 6/18/25 1:30 AM, candycanearter07 wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote at 03:03 this Sunday (GMT): >> On 6/14/25 7:27 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 20:30:34 +0200, Andreas Eder wrote: >>> >>>> You meaybe thinking of Redox OS https://www.redox-os.org/ >>> >>> That name is obviously meant to be a kind of word play on “Rust”. As I >>> recall from my high-school chemistry lessons, a “redox reaction” is one >>> where one reactant is “reduced” (gains electrons) while the other is >>> “oxidized” (loses them). This may or may not involve actual oxygen atoms >>> (which are notorious eaters of electrons), but the concept has been >>> generalized from that. >>> >>> The slight irony is that the name “Rust” does not come from the well-known >>> redox reaction that iron undergoes with water in the presence of oxygen >>> (catalyzed by a little bit of polar contaminants such as common salt), but >>> from the name of a kind of fungus. >> >> "Fungus" ??? TOO CRUEL ! >> >> Rust is perfectly OK ... but I don't see much advantage >> over plain 'C'. Lots of 'new langs' are like that, just >> 'C' with nastier syntax. > > > Rust I personally dislike the syntax of, AND its development team is > apparently pretty controversial. IMHO, stick to 'C' ... but use GOOD PRACTICES.
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| From | candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> |
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| Date | 2025-06-18 19:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10562v8.1mrg1.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> |
| In reply to | #68875 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote at 06:09 this Wednesday (GMT): > On 6/18/25 1:30 AM, candycanearter07 wrote: >> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote at 03:03 this Sunday (GMT): >>> On 6/14/25 7:27 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 20:30:34 +0200, Andreas Eder wrote: >>>> >>>>> You meaybe thinking of Redox OS https://www.redox-os.org/ >>>> >>>> That name is obviously meant to be a kind of word play on “Rust”. As I >>>> recall from my high-school chemistry lessons, a “redox reaction” is one >>>> where one reactant is “reduced” (gains electrons) while the other is >>>> “oxidized” (loses them). This may or may not involve actual oxygen atoms >>>> (which are notorious eaters of electrons), but the concept has been >>>> generalized from that. >>>> >>>> The slight irony is that the name “Rust” does not come from the well-known >>>> redox reaction that iron undergoes with water in the presence of oxygen >>>> (catalyzed by a little bit of polar contaminants such as common salt), but >>>> from the name of a kind of fungus. >>> >>> "Fungus" ??? TOO CRUEL ! >>> >>> Rust is perfectly OK ... but I don't see much advantage >>> over plain 'C'. Lots of 'new langs' are like that, just >>> 'C' with nastier syntax. >> >> >> Rust I personally dislike the syntax of, AND its development team is >> apparently pretty controversial. > > > IMHO, stick to 'C' ... but use GOOD PRACTICES. Makes sense to me. -- user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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