Re: VMS

Subject	Re: VMS
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From	c186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date	2025-06-15 21:12 -0400
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On 6/15/25 3:26 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 15/06/2025 04:32, c186282 wrote:
>> I don't think the Old People were very aware of
>>    zinc. Bronze came early, but brass didn't really
>>    show up until much later.
>>
> Mm. Iron came and hordes of bronze bars became worthless.
> Talk about disruptive technology.
> The history of technology is fascinating

   Bronze is STILL valuable ... but not in the major
   military sense as back in the old days. Of course
   bronze cannons were still made into the 1800s, but
   usually for small mobile applications.

   Iron was indeed a 'disruptive technology', I'll
   agree with that !  Even fairly crappy steel swords
   and spears were still better than bronze.

>>    Probably because they didn't have any VMS units
>>    to help with analysis  🙂
> 
> Very likely true

   Babbage was making his computers using BRASS gears
   and cogs - not bronze or steel. Lovelace didn't
   live long enough to invent VMS alas.

   Hmm, how WOULD you network Babbage AEs using the
   tech of the time ? The telegraph was demonstrated
   just a few years after he proposed the AE ... maybe
   a two baud connection ?  :-)

   Steel micro-factoid - the famous Damascus steel that
   allowed the arabics to make light thin fast ultra-
   sharp swords was not actually MADE in Damascus or
   anywhere near. It came as ingots from outfits in
   eastern INDIA ... where the 'magic contaminate',
   vanadium, was introduced by accident because they
   lined their steel kilns with the plentiful seashells.
   The particular species tended to absorb and concentrate
   vanadium and it'd get into the steel.

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VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-14 01:15 -0400
  Re: VMS Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-14 10:05 -0700
    Re: VMS Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-06-14 20:30 +0200
      Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-14 23:27 +0000
        Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-15 00:57 +0000
          Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-14 23:32 -0400
            Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-15 08:26 +0100
              Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-15 21:12 -0400
                Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-16 18:15 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-17 23:20 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-18 04:14 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-18 02:34 -0400
            Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-15 18:49 +0000
              Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-15 22:45 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-16 04:35 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-16 01:35 -0400
        Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-14 23:03 -0400
          Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-18 05:30 +0000
            Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-18 02:09 -0400
              Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-18 19:00 +0000
                Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-18 20:23 +0000
                Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-18 20:30 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-18 23:09 +0000
              Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-19 08:40 +0100
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-20 00:43 -0400
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 09:00 +0100
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 10:19 +0100
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 15:15 +0100
                Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-20 13:36 +0000
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 16:15 +0100
                Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-20 23:07 +0000
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-21 01:07 +0100
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-21 03:09 +0000
                Re: VMS Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-06-21 03:43 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 01:36 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-21 05:53 +0000
                Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-22 13:50 +0000
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-22 15:27 +0100
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-22 15:56 +0100
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-23 00:18 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-22 19:23 +0000
                Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-23 18:10 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-23 19:27 +0000
                Re: VMS Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-06-24 03:34 +0000
                Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-24 04:52 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-24 05:14 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-24 01:36 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-24 06:49 +0000
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-24 10:31 +0100
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-25 01:36 -0400
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-25 07:31 +0100
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-25 03:08 -0400
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-24 08:56 +0100
                Re: VMS Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-06-25 03:01 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-25 01:59 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-25 06:52 +0000
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 09:32 -0700
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-25 09:44 -0700
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-25 19:01 -0400
                Re: VMS candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-27 06:00 +0000
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-27 08:37 +0100
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-27 08:45 +0100
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-27 08:14 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-27 13:27 -0400
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-27 19:13 +0100
                Re: VMS Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-28 09:16 -0400
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-27 13:24 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-27 17:40 +0000
                Re: VMS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-06-27 18:20 +0000
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-27 23:03 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-28 01:13 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-28 06:10 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-27 18:16 -0400
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-28 08:52 +0100
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-28 23:16 -0400
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-29 08:18 +0100
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-29 19:09 -0400
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:36 +0100
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:51 +0100
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:59 +0100
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:33 +0000
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-30 09:08 -0700
                Re: VMS jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-06-30 22:18 -0400
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 09:00 +0100
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 09:24 +0100
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:34 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-30 23:30 -0400
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-30 23:26 -0400
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-01 10:49 +0100
                Re: VMS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-07-01 12:44 +0000
                Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-02 01:13 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-01 21:46 -0400
                Re: VMS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-07-02 16:03 +0000
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-30 07:54 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-30 18:10 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-30 23:12 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-01 04:02 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-01 12:42 -0400
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-30 08:56 +0100
                Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-27 19:40 +0000
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 21:19 +0100
                Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-20 23:17 +0000
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-21 08:42 +0100
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-21 07:02 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 03:23 -0400
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 01:27 -0400
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 01:10 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-21 05:59 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 02:10 -0400
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 10:12 +0100
                Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-20 13:39 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 01:23 -0400
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-21 06:57 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 03:07 -0400
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-21 08:45 +0100
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-22 02:32 -0400
                Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-20 13:30 +0000
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-20 16:14 +0100
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-20 08:57 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-21 01:17 -0400
    Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-14 22:57 -0400
      Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-15 14:24 +0000
        Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-15 22:26 -0400
          Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-16 04:30 +0000
            Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-16 01:31 -0400
            Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-18 17:40 +0000
              Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-18 23:06 +0000
              Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-18 19:43 -0400
                Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-19 01:08 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-19 00:46 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-19 06:36 +0000

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