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| First post | 2026-05-30 22:28 +0000 |
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The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-30 22:28 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:51 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 04:23 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 02:26 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 06:41 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:37 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:46 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:55 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 12:07 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 10:14 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:06 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 11:12 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:45 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:13 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:30 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 20:49 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:00 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:07 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:11 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:10 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 02:15 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2026-06-01 12:20 +0300
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 09:38 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:20 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 11:08 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 23:58 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-04 11:47 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 11:57 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-05 12:53 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 17:35 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-05 16:42 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:06 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 10:35 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 03:35 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:39 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 14:41 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:04 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:34 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 21:24 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:46 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:09 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:17 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:33 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:53 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 18:52 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 21:47 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 02:58 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:36 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:46 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:15 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 07:52 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:52 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-11 18:47 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:00 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:59 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:02 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:21 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:55 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 01:16 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:28 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:42 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 16:41 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:40 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:35 +0000
[OT] TINA applied to political opponents (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 09:35 +0100
Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:07 +0100
Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-12 14:18 +0000
Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 16:46 +0100
Re: [OT] TINA applied to political opponents rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:02 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:52 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:20 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:16 +0000
[OT] Percetion of the USA abroad (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 09:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 12:03 +0100
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 21:18 +0200
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad (was: Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:07 +0100
Re: [OT] Percetion of the USA abroad rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:17 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:22 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 21:48 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:57 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:27 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:28 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:54 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 01:27 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 10:57 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-07 08:00 -0700
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 16:35 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 23:48 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 00:53 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 08:26 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 23:06 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 00:11 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-09 17:42 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 10:39 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 03:44 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 23:55 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:47 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:58 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:40 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 23:39 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 23:00 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 04:36 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 02:30 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:19 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-08 23:53 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:23 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 02:28 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 18:24 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:40 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-10 19:17 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:56 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:24 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-08 22:42 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:45 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:44 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:08 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:07 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:03 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:43 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:52 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 00:33 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 06:03 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-11 02:42 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-11 17:26 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-11 11:31 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:37 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 18:13 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 03:16 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:54 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2026-06-08 21:46 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 04:50 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 03:16 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 08:49 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 01:48 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:11 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 01:32 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 05:38 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-10 10:49 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:08 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:31 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-11 03:31 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 04:36 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-11 08:37 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-11 19:02 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 02:54 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-08 14:12 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-09 01:30 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 11:15 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 14:30 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 23:38 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-08 09:22 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-09 00:28 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:03 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:42 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:53 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:53 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 08:52 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:41 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 06:41 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 03:07 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:28 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:16 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:18 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 18:59 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:51 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:56 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-05-31 16:43 +0800
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 08:48 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-31 10:16 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 10:22 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-06 06:38 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 03:04 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 13:32 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 11:34 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 14:01 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-09 20:29 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-09 22:52 +0200
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-10 04:36 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 08:48 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-06 09:17 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-06 09:40 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-07 02:57 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-07 16:11 +0100
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-09 20:30 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:19 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-10 00:22 +0000
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:18 -0400
Re: The boring Linux habit that saves machines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 01:33 -0400
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 01:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <I_qcncNV2ZW4NLr3nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87692 |
On 6/8/26 04:54, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-06-08, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-06-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> By the time 8+3 became 12+3 became 128/256/1024 then naming >>> constraints disappeared. Alas, esp M$, they TOTALLY disappeared. >> >> Ah yes, good old MICROS~1.. > > I eagerly anticipate the day Microsoft is ordered to split up following > some antitrust ruling, if only because then one could propose the > split-up parts be named MICROS~1,MICROS~2,...,MICROS~N. Bill Gates quickly LEARNED - to GREASE your political reps. All his 'trust' problems then instantly disappeared. That's how realpolitik works ... Machiavelli would totally understand. As for what's become "normal" for M$ ... that's been a very long evolution/devolution. Everybody WANTED long file names, then REALLY long file names, so they GOT it for better or worse. Now for us that have to COPE with that mess ... well .... As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible' chars - from their word processor docs as the file name. Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE. Oh well, "job security" I guess. The New Guys can't program their way out of a wet paper bag ... so they just use/pay-for the wunnerful M$ "solutions" and think that's a-OK. Can't really trash them too much, that's Just How It's Done these days. My gen was bits and bytes, theirs is a different world (that WILL bite 'em bad eventually). But they'll just blame it all on M$ ... butts saved. That's how it works now. Kinda tragic ....... WHEN Vlad/Xi/Kim and friends really GO for it ... global DOOM. They'll try to recruit us Old Guys but, well, just TOO Old now ...... I'll "advise" a bit, for $500 an hour :-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 11:11 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mv1lfmxelh.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87720 |
On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote: > As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to > copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible' > chars - from their word processor docs as the file name. > Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE. I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, as a suggestion. No special chars. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 01:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1OKdnWDXId1La7X3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87736 |
On 6/9/26 05:11, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote: >> As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to >> copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible' >> chars - from their word processor docs as the file name. >> Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE. > > I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, > as a suggestion. No special chars. Hmm ... was using LibreOffice Writer just today - TRYING to coerce it into doing proper mailing envelopes. Limited success - and the docs were confusing. However it didn't offer to use the first sentence as the file name. Writer knew what a #10 envelope is, my printer knows what a #10 envelope is - but ........ had to do really ridiculous tweaks to the template just to get the addressee lines up into the right place. I think it chose some OTHER kind of envelope by default even if you TOLD it #10. Wanted super-nice/clear address for the US Govt Internal Revenue people. Never got good marks for penmanship in school and that's never improved :-) Bought a 'label machine' - found a mystery PPD file. Haven't dared trying it yet. Not factory supported. Nobody loves Linux ! :-( And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just torture - so much depth and breadth of complication just to accomplish something kinda stupid. DO have a Win-1.x install as a VM somewhere ! Also have the BYTE mag with a REVIEW of it :-) Clue, better stuff for the C64/128 at the time ...
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| From | TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 05:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4aee94ddda8d241b3ca5@dev.null> |
| In reply to | #87777 |
>On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 01:32:36 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >On 6/9/26 05:11, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote: >>> As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to >>> copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible' >>> chars - from their word processor docs as the file name. >>> Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE. >> >> I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, >> as a suggestion. No special chars. > > Hmm ... was using LibreOffice Writer just today - TRYING > to coerce it into doing proper mailing envelopes. > > Limited success - and the docs were confusing. > > However it didn't offer to use the first sentence as > the file name. > > Writer knew what a #10 envelope is, my printer knows > what a #10 envelope is - but ........ had to do really > ridiculous tweaks to the template just to get the > addressee lines up into the right place. I think it > chose some OTHER kind of envelope by default even if > you TOLD it #10. > > Wanted super-nice/clear address for the US Govt > Internal Revenue people. Never got good marks for > penmanship in school and that's never improved :-) > > Bought a 'label machine' - found a mystery PPD file. > Haven't dared trying it yet. Not factory supported. > Nobody loves Linux ! :-( > > And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of > liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on > modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just > torture - so much depth and breadth of complication > just to accomplish something kinda stupid. > > DO have a Win-1.x install as a VM somewhere ! > Also have the BYTE mag with a REVIEW of it :-) > Clue, better stuff for the C64/128 at the time ... For Writer envelopes I would avoid the wizard once it starts being clever. Make a small Writer document with the page style set to the real envelope size, then position the address block explicitly with margins/paragraph spacing. Save that as a template and print one or two sacrificial envelopes or plain sheets held over an envelope to check alignment. For the label printer, a safe first step is to inspect the PPD before letting CUPS use it. It is just text, so look for the *NickName, *ModelName, and PageSize entries and make sure they look like your printer/label stock. Then add it as a separate test queue in CUPS rather than replacing a working printer. Print a CUPS test page or a tiny text label first, not the important letter. Also check whether the printer speaks driverless IPP/AirPrint or a common language such as ZPL/EPL/ESC/POS. Some label machines work better through that route than through an old vendor PPD. -- TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> "I survived the great rm -rf / rehearsal and all I got was this .signature."
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 10:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <j1lnfmx239.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87777 |
On 2026-06-10 07:32, c186282 wrote: > On 6/9/26 05:11, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-06-09 07:48, c186282 wrote: >>> As said somewhere ... a number of workers just took to >>> copy/paste the first sentence - including 'invisible' >>> chars - from their word processor docs as the file name. >>> Too many of THEM, too few of ME ... had to just COPE. >> >> I seem to recall Libre Office or Open Office doing that automatically, >> as a suggestion. No special chars. Years ago, not now. I forgot to say. > > Hmm ... was using LibreOffice Writer just today - TRYING > to coerce it into doing proper mailing envelopes. > > Limited success - and the docs were confusing. > > However it didn't offer to use the first sentence as > the file name. > > Writer knew what a #10 envelope is, my printer knows > what a #10 envelope is - but ........ had to do really > ridiculous tweaks to the template just to get the > addressee lines up into the right place. I think it > chose some OTHER kind of envelope by default even if > you TOLD it #10. Printing envelopes is an art. I did manage to print envelopes, but from one time to the next I forgot the tricks. And I always fear the envelope will jam in my laserjet. So what I do is, I use envelopes with a transparent window, and a first page for the letter that matches that hole. > > Wanted super-nice/clear address for the US Govt > Internal Revenue people. Never got good marks for > penmanship in school and that's never improved :-) > > Bought a 'label machine' - found a mystery PPD file. > Haven't dared trying it yet. Not factory supported. > Nobody loves Linux ! :-( > > And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of > liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on > modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just > torture - so much depth and breadth of complication > just to accomplish something kinda stupid. > > DO have a Win-1.x install as a VM somewhere ! > Also have the BYTE mag with a REVIEW of it :-) > Clue, better stuff for the C64/128 at the time ... > :-) -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 11:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1BbWR.178518$DvK9.106109@fx48.iad> |
| In reply to | #87777 |
On 2026-06-10, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > And I *won't* install Winderz. Last one I kind-of > liked was Win2K. Don't think that'll even run on > modern hardware. Dealing with Win at work was just > torture - so much depth and breadth of complication > just to accomplish something kinda stupid. IMHO Windows' usability peaked somewhere between 2K and XP and has been going downhill ever since. In my job I have to write stuff that runs under Windows (I prefer to say it runs _despite_ it), but I just do back-end stuff (file handling, TCP/IP, etc.), not fancy GUI stuff. So I get by just fine using XP under VirtualBox on a Linux machine. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 00:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <110cvkl$13kte$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87806 |
On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 11:08:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > In my job I have to write stuff that runs under Windows (I prefer to > say it runs _despite_ it), but I just do back-end stuff (file > handling, TCP/IP, etc.), not fancy GUI stuff. So I get by just fine > using XP under VirtualBox on a Linux machine. Why not make WSL2 a requirement? Then you can deliver your code running natively on Linux. Microsoft seems to be edging that way -- all its AI stuff is heavily Linux-dependent, at least on the development side for now, but I figure it’s only a matter of time before that spreads to the deployment side as well.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 03:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <UZpWR.114885$Hs3.36357@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #87825 |
On 2026-06-11, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2026 11:08:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> In my job I have to write stuff that runs under Windows (I prefer to >> say it runs _despite_ it), but I just do back-end stuff (file >> handling, TCP/IP, etc.), not fancy GUI stuff. So I get by just fine >> using XP under VirtualBox on a Linux machine. > > Why not make WSL2 a requirement? Then you can deliver your code > running natively on Linux. Our customers are bigger than we are, so we can't tell them to go pound sand if they don't like what we have to offer. Our native Windows development systems are in place - we might as well keep using them. Some of our customers are running Linux, and we have a native Linux version for them. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 04:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <110de04$17a50$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87830 |
On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 03:31:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > Our customers are bigger than we are, so we can't tell them to go > pound sand if they don't like what we have to offer. Sounds like your vendor-lock-in is not as strong as it should be ... I thought *all* proprietary software vendors had figured that out ...
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 08:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <110doka$19h5s$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #87832 |
On 2026-06-11, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 03:31:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Our customers are bigger than we are, so we can't tell them to go >> pound sand if they don't like what we have to offer. > > Sounds like your vendor-lock-in is not as strong as it should be ... > I thought *all* proprietary software vendors had figured that out ... In order for vendor lock-in to be usable, you have to have a big share of the market in place already, at least a near-monopoly. Microsoft can pull this in some customer segments, but your average software vendor can't. (Besides being likely illegal in a lot of places, of course.) -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-11 19:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hDDWR.203165$Grwb.187447@fx13.iad> |
| In reply to | #87851 |
On 2026-06-11, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-06-11, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 03:31:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Our customers are bigger than we are, so we can't tell them to go >>> pound sand if they don't like what we have to offer. >> >> Sounds like your vendor-lock-in is not as strong as it should be ... >> I thought *all* proprietary software vendors had figured that out ... > > In order for vendor lock-in to be usable, you have to have a big share > of the market in place already, at least a near-monopoly. Microsoft can > pull this in some customer segments, but your average software vendor > can't. > > (Besides being likely illegal in a lot of places, of course.) Also, we decided not to roll that way. We're a small outfit, and happy to stay there in our niche. We're too laid back to lose ourselves in empire-building exercises. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d_YVR.65222$GKib.42422@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #87720 |
On 2026-06-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > The New Guys can't program their way out of a wet > paper bag ... so they just use/pay-for the wunnerful > M$ "solutions" and think that's a-OK. Can't really > trash them too much, that's Just How It's Done > these days. My gen was bits and bytes, theirs is > a different world (that WILL bite 'em bad eventually). > > But they'll just blame it all on M$ ... butts saved. > That's how it works now. And then M$ will offer a new "solution" which they'll eagerly adopt. Lather, rinse, repeat... > Kinda tragic ....... Yup. > WHEN Vlad/Xi/Kim and friends really GO for it ... > global DOOM. Don't forget friends like Elon/Mark/Tim... > They'll try to recruit us Old Guys but, well, just > TOO Old now ...... I'll "advise" a bit, for $500 > an hour :-) There you go, job security again. :-) -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-10 02:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1OKdnZ_WId1mlLT3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87746 |
On 6/9/26 14:31, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> The New Guys can't program their way out of a wet >> paper bag ... so they just use/pay-for the wunnerful >> M$ "solutions" and think that's a-OK. Can't really >> trash them too much, that's Just How It's Done >> these days. My gen was bits and bytes, theirs is >> a different world (that WILL bite 'em bad eventually). >> >> But they'll just blame it all on M$ ... butts saved. >> That's how it works now. > > And then M$ will offer a new "solution" which they'll > eagerly adopt. Lather, rinse, repeat... HehHehHeh ... YEP !!! :-) Just WAITING for Vlad/Xi/Kim to finally go after the M$ "cloud". They might be able to hide the attack as some sort of 'internal malfunction'. That would ruin LOTS of US businesses, all at a keypress. The best attack, corrupt all the backups too over a one or two year span. Nothing left and nothing to rebuild on. Xi probably has the Big Shiny Red Button on his desk ........ >> Kinda tragic ....... > > Yup. Nothing to do about it. The Mistake will eventually be realized - after it's Too Late ....... The "Blame Someone Else" meme is STRONG these days alas. Over-rides all common sense, all professionalism. >> WHEN Vlad/Xi/Kim and friends really GO for it ... >> global DOOM. > > Don't forget friends like Elon/Mark/Tim... Everybody is contributing. And then "AI"-based ... even more, and more interesting, paths to Total Doom. Hmm ... grand-daddy started as a blacksmith ... MAY be back to that. (Wound up in the mines after alas, didn't live too long - NO safety filters and such way back then - silicosis + black lung ....) >> They'll try to recruit us Old Guys but, well, just >> TOO Old now ...... I'll "advise" a bit, for $500 >> an hour :-) > > There you go, job security again. :-) Hey ! :-) Wouldn't MIND suddenly becoming "valuable" again in my 90s.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-08 14:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8o0u2FqrflU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87673 |
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 23:00:22 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Long nasty narrative filenames with lots of punctuation became our > norm and nobody would stop doing it. A 'human nature' issue alas. Like many human activities a happy balance is rare. We had one programmer who thought anything beyond 3 characters was a waste. After a while you learned 'ary' was going to be an array of something. otoh my dislike for Gtk was in part from the excessively long snake case function names. I started reading a Python book I got in a humble bundle. It's the third edition and in the preface the author says he prefers camel case and used it in the previous edition but decided to use snake case to demonstrate the true Pythonista style.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-08 18:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dyDVR.24697$Mm3.14474@fx33.iad> |
| In reply to | #87694 |
On 2026-06-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 23:00:22 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Long nasty narrative filenames with lots of punctuation became our >> norm and nobody would stop doing it. A 'human nature' issue alas. > > Like many human activities a happy balance is rare. We had one programmer > who thought anything beyond 3 characters was a waste. After a while you > learned 'ary' was going to be an array of something. otoh my dislike for > Gtk was in part from the excessively long snake case function names. > > I started reading a Python book I got in a humble bundle. It's the third > edition and in the preface the author says he prefers camel case and used > it in the previous edition but decided to use snake case to demonstrate > the true Pythonista style. OK, I bite. What's snake case, and how does it differ from camel case? -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 01:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8p8kqF8q2vU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87699 |
On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 23:00:22 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Long nasty narrative filenames with lots of punctuation became our >>> norm and nobody would stop doing it. A 'human nature' issue alas. >> >> Like many human activities a happy balance is rare. We had one >> programmer who thought anything beyond 3 characters was a waste. After >> a while you learned 'ary' was going to be an array of something. otoh >> my dislike for Gtk was in part from the excessively long snake case >> function names. >> >> I started reading a Python book I got in a humble bundle. It's the >> third edition and in the preface the author says he prefers camel case >> and used it in the previous edition but decided to use snake case to >> demonstrate the true Pythonista style. > > OK, I bite. What's snake case, and how does it differ from camel case? camelCase snake_case. https://peps.python.org/pep-0008/#naming-conventions "Function names should be lowercase, with words separated by underscores as necessary to improve readability. Variable names follow the same convention as function names. mixedCase is allowed only in contexts where that’s already the prevailing style (e.g. threading.py), to retain backwards compatibility." It's the last paragraph that's the kicker. PySide6 and PyQt6 are Python bindings for the Qt libraries, which use camel case like self.setCentralWidget(central_widget) Supposedly you can add from __feature__ import snake_case, true_property and use self.set_central_widget(). It works some of the time. I'm not enough of a Python purist to wonder if it works for this particular function so I stick to camel case. Besides I prefer it but in Rome... Much of the legacy code I worked on was snake case so if I was modifying it I would stick to the style of the original. What I do take exception to is Hungarian notation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation Microsoft should have sent Simonyi back to Hungary in a box. Note: I've liked the Hungarians I've worked with but not this particular one.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 11:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m52lfmxelh.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87706 |
On 2026-06-09 03:30, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-06-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > What I do take exception to is Hungarian notation. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation > > Microsoft should have sent Simonyi back to Hungary in a box. Note: I've > liked the Hungarians I've worked with but not this particular one. Some Borland Pascal used this. Some of my programs did as well. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-09 18:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e_YVR.65224$GKib.23066@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #87706 |
On 2026-06-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:08:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> OK, I bite. What's snake case, and how does it differ from camel case? > > camelCase snake_case. Got it, thanks. > What I do take exception to is Hungarian notation. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation > > Microsoft should have sent Simonyi back to Hungary in a box. Note: I've > liked the Hungarians I've worked with but not this particular one. Hear, hear. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 14:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <wwvtsrelbq5.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #87621 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > On Sat, 06 Jun 2026 09:40:20 GMT, TheLastSysop wrote: >> Most backup bugs in this area are not the weird Unicode character >> itself; they are the one forgotten script that splits on whitespace >> or treats a newline in a filename as a record separator. > > I must admit, I could probably live with forbidding newlines in > file/directory names. Why not reserve one little character, just to > make life that little bit easier for shell script writers? ;) Shell script writers are welcome to choose a less deranged language... -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 23:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <InGdndngSovlpLv3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87649 |
On 6/7/26 09:30, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >> On Sat, 06 Jun 2026 09:40:20 GMT, TheLastSysop wrote: > >>> Most backup bugs in this area are not the weird Unicode character >>> itself; they are the one forgotten script that splits on whitespace >>> or treats a newline in a filename as a record separator. >> >> I must admit, I could probably live with forbidding newlines in >> file/directory names. Why not reserve one little character, just to >> make life that little bit easier for shell script writers? ;) > > Shell script writers are welcome to choose a less deranged language... Oooh ! Nasty ! :-) Not that I totally disagree. They kept expanding shells to do more and more odd things - and the syntax became bizarre and not even REMOTELY "self documenting". Shell scripts DO still have a useful place - IF you keep 'em simple. Anything beyond that, script in Python. For fun some years back I wrote a Bash version that largely emulated what my Python and Pascal server backup programs did. It worked. However despite most units being more or less self-repeating you just couldn't READ the damned thing. Comments didn't help much. One tiny change needed and it was "WHAT ? WHERE THE FUCK ? HOW THE FUCK ? WHAT'S *THAT* MEAN ? YOU NEED *TWO* SPACES AFTER ???" On the plus, never saw the keyword "lambda" in a Bash script ! :-)
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