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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200 |
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Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:46 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 09:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:35 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 16:17 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 00:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 00:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-28 10:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:41 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:04 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:42 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 15:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 21:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 11:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 17:24 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:37 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 22:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 23:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-31 21:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:15 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 18:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-02 01:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 03:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:26 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 17:25 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 20:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:30 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:24 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:04 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:25 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:15 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:19 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:34 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-04 08:18 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 17:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 14:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:07 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 17:17 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 00:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-07 13:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-07 19:54 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:26 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-06 03:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 20:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 04:59 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 23:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 03:05 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 02:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 20:12 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-07 03:11 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 03:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 01:47 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 02:58 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 11:11 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-02 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:32 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:33 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:57 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-29 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:38 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 05:09 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 03:10 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-05-31 07:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-01 04:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 19:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 18:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 10:49 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:16 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:35 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 18:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 21:36 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:06 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:32 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 13:05 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:14 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:43 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 19:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 20:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:27 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:13 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-03 18:58 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:00 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-02 17:44 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 17:54 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 21:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:41 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 01:01 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:18 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:02 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:48 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:53 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 10:07 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 10:57 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 16:31 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 12:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-05 11:34 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:31 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 01:56 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 19:56 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:40 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-07 19:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-07 20:37 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 18:13 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 15:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 22:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 04:42 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 02:01 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:10 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 22:29 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-04 19:18 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 21:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-06-05 03:14 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 00:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-05 07:20 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 04:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 12:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-06-05 11:55 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-05 22:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-05 22:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 05:53 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-06 12:01 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-07 05:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-07 20:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-06 00:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-06 18:52 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-06 00:43 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 07:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 09:51 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:56 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 02:11 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 03:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 01:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:47 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:33 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:25 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 02:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:03 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:06 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 00:46 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:09 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:02 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-03 18:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 22:31 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-04 01:36 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:26 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 17:31 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:49 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:37 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-30 09:09 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:17 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-31 07:33 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-31 00:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-01 00:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:28 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-31 12:58 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 20:51 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:02 -0700
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 08:54 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 05:04 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:54 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-28 09:15 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:29 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:45 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-29 02:50 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:17 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-30 04:25 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-30 13:20 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 14:16 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-30 04:00 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 23:41 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:09 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:51 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 17:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 22:14 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 04:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:53 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:32 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:52 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:46 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 00:27 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:26 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-03 21:30 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-04 04:30 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:13 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 03:03 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:12 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:08 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:33 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-03 14:45 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:39 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 13:21 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-03 02:57 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 22:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:10 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 09:05 +1000
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 08:19 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:52 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:20 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 20:34 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-28 21:07 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:40 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-01 19:12 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 10:28 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:15 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:30 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:29 +0100
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 16:49 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 12:18 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-02 17:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 15:48 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:39 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:55 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:03 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-06-02 12:22 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival TheLastSysop <thelastsysop@dev.null> - 2026-06-02 16:36 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 18:39 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-03 00:48 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 01:21 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:08 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:41 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-01 13:23 +0000
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:00 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:44 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:45 -0400
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:38 +0200
Re: Redundancy/Survival "Worst Case" <fritz@spamexpire-202605.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-05-26 17:21 +0200
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 19:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <brngfmx6l5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87648 |
On 2026-06-07 15:25, Rich wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> On 6/4/26 23:12, Robert Riches wrote: >>> On 2026-06-05, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >>>> I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a >>>> mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the >>>> scale, or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, >>>> etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - >>>> it gives them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. >>> >>> Self-checkout at Home Despot was the worst. When buying a plastic >>> packet of a half dozen #8 flat washers, the scale wouldn't register >>> that I had dropped the merchandise in the bag. My preferred >>> solution to that is to press on the scale with my hand when dropping >>> smaller items in the bag. >> >> ... >> >> The weird thing, 'self' ALWAYS has a human OVERSEEING >> the proceedings. Why not just give 'em a check-out >> terminal and do it in the usual fashion ??? > > If you pay attention, that human is overseeing the proceedings at four > or six terminals. > > But the human is not receiving the pay of six checkout clerks, they get > the pay of only a single one. > > So four, or six, customers are checking out in parallel, while the > overseer is being paid 1x the salary of a checkout clerk. > > From the MBA's running the show perspective, they get six checkout > lanes operating for only one hourly wage rather than six hourly wages, > for a 5x cost reduction in checkout clerk pay. At a lower speed, so not a 5x cost reduction. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 19:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8lufbFec78U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87648 |
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 13:25:52 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > If you pay attention, that human is overseeing the proceedings at four > or six terminals. > > But the human is not receiving the pay of six checkout clerks, they get > the pay of only a single one. > > So four, or six, customers are checking out in parallel, while the > overseer is being paid 1x the salary of a checkout clerk. > > From the MBA's running the show perspective, they get six checkout lanes > operating for only one hourly wage rather than six hourly wages, for a > 5x cost reduction in checkout clerk pay. I have no idea about the pay scale but at least in one case I don't think the human could operate as a checkout clerk. I think the store had a policy of hiring the challenged as baggers and making sure nobody is sneaking steaks out is within their abilities. I do not mean that negatively. Providing work for those who can function somewhat independently is a benefit and a step up from sheltered workshops. Speaking from experience it isn't all roses for the employer. It can be like herding needy cats.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 04:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8f1erFl49dU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87523 |
On 5 Jun 2026 03:12:31 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > Ahhhh, WinCo Foods. I was a regular from the mid-1980s. Then, early on > in the Wuhan scamdemic they suddenly started treating customers like > inmates in a high-security prison. I get my groceries elsewhere, now. > Prices might be higher, but I save at least that much in the gasoline it > had been costing me to get to WinCo. I don't go there that often, mostly in search of pork hocks, chicken gizzards, or other specialty meats the other markets don't carry. Even finding liver is a chore. WinCo is on the south side of a busy street, Rosauers is directly across on the north side. I come in from the west and making a left across one lane and then leaving going west is much easier. Winco is easier to turn into and a bear to escape. Besides, Rosauers has a machine to grind your own almond butter and WinCo only has one for peanuts. > Oh, yes, and in the People's Republic of Oregon, 1-mil plastic (and now > 3-mil, IIUC) are outlawed. I bring my own paper bags that I had custom > printed. Ah, the land of 'don't touch that gas pump'. I did notice if you're on a bike they ignore that. Last time I was in the state the eastern counties where there aren't enough people to provide pump attendants the law didn't apply. > The penny thing is interesting. In western Oregon, some retailers > promptly stopped touching pennies because their banks refused to supply > pennies to the retailers. However, just a couple of months ago an > employee (appeared to be a manager) at a retailer in Baker City in > eastern Oregon said there was no penny shortage. My theory is > local/regional banks are artificially making the penny shortage more > severe than it would naturally be. Albertson's seem to have a magical supply of pennies as do some other businesses. Rosauer's is the only one that went to credit cards only for self checkout. I go through the manned lines and I think you get pennies in change. I smell an ulterior motive although why they'd rather pay the swipe fees instead of maintaining the machines escapes me. Then there is Yoke's. I haven't been through a manned checkout in a while but they used to give out $2 bills in change. That had to be a special request to the bank. They're pristine so I use them for bookmarks. > The people I feel sorry for in the penny situation are those who work in > shoe stores, because each shoe store has to replace their entire > inventory of penny loafers with nickel loafers. I could set them up with some pennies. The CoinStar machines used to have Amazon gift cards with no charge for the conversion. They still have a number of gift card options but nothing I can use. Trivia: I drove OTR for a while in the '90s and loaded pennies at the Denver mint. They didn't even bother sealing the trailer. I spent the time between Denver and San Francisco wondering what you could do with 44,000 pounds of pennies. They were casual about nickles and dimes too but quarters they took seriously. The company had an armored tractor and a special trailer disguised as a reefer for those. The only thing I could think of is if you melted the pennies you'd have something like the zamak alloy if you wanted to do some spin casting.
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 03:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn11273st.gmr.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #87532 |
On 2026-06-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On 5 Jun 2026 03:12:31 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > > >> Ahhhh, WinCo Foods. I was a regular from the mid-1980s. Then, early on >> in the Wuhan scamdemic they suddenly started treating customers like >> inmates in a high-security prison. I get my groceries elsewhere, now. >> Prices might be higher, but I save at least that much in the gasoline it >> had been costing me to get to WinCo. > > I don't go there that often, mostly in search of pork hocks, chicken > gizzards, or other specialty meats the other markets don't carry. Even > finding liver is a chore. > > WinCo is on the south side of a busy street, Rosauers is directly across > on the north side. I come in from the west and making a left across one > lane and then leaving going west is much easier. Winco is easier to turn > into and a bear to escape. Besides, Rosauers has a machine to grind your > own almond butter and WinCo only has one for peanuts. > >> Oh, yes, and in the People's Republic of Oregon, 1-mil plastic (and now >> 3-mil, IIUC) are outlawed. I bring my own paper bags that I had custom >> printed. > > Ah, the land of 'don't touch that gas pump'. I did notice if you're on a > bike they ignore that. Last time I was in the state the eastern counties > where there aren't enough people to provide pump attendants the law didn't > apply. Thankfully, for maybe year or so now, maybe two years, Oregon _F_I_N_A_L_L_Y_ allows self-serve gasoline everywhere. Stations are required to keep "service" on at least 50% of the pumps, and they can't give a discount for self-serve. My wife has the pump jockey do the job (and often fail to put the cap back on properly, sometimes resulting in gasoline spilling out of the fill neck while driving--not good). I operate the pump myself. >> The penny thing is interesting. In western Oregon, some retailers >> promptly stopped touching pennies because their banks refused to supply >> pennies to the retailers. However, just a couple of months ago an >> employee (appeared to be a manager) at a retailer in Baker City in >> eastern Oregon said there was no penny shortage. My theory is >> local/regional banks are artificially making the penny shortage more >> severe than it would naturally be. > > Albertson's seem to have a magical supply of pennies as do some other > businesses. Rosauer's is the only one that went to credit cards only for > self checkout. I go through the manned lines and I think you get pennies > in change. I smell an ulterior motive although why they'd rather pay the > swipe fees instead of maintaining the machines escapes me. > > Then there is Yoke's. I haven't been through a manned checkout in a while > but they used to give out $2 bills in change. That had to be a special > request to the bank. They're pristine so I use them for bookmarks. The Baker City retailer I mentioned (with no penny shortage) was a Bi-Mart. My local Bi-Mart (same chain) a little west of I-5 has now quit giving out pennies as change. So, there's a geographic/political difference in addition to a possible chain difference. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 05:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8hq8jF1g5uU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87564 |
On 6 Jun 2026 03:10:21 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > Thankfully, for maybe year or so now, maybe two years, Oregon > _F_I_N_A_L_L_Y_ allows self-serve gasoline everywhere. Amazing! It's been a minute or two since I've been in Oregon. Probably a couple of years pre-covid. I went across 20, down to Newport, and up the coast. I lucked out and the weather was great until I got to Port Angeles and the skies opened up. It was monsoon until I got over Stevens Pass. That was more restful than the trip where I went from Grants Pass to Gold Beach the hard way. At least I got to hike Mt. Bolivar. A few years later some guy died in that area when his GPS showed a 'shortcut'. The car got stuck in snow and he went for help. The wife and kids stayed with the car and survived. There is a lot of road around the Wild Rogue Wilderness, all of it pretty bad.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 01:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1eCcnWbfKdMQKL73nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87572 |
On 6/6/26 01:41, rbowman wrote: > On 6 Jun 2026 03:10:21 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > >> Thankfully, for maybe year or so now, maybe two years, Oregon >> _F_I_N_A_L_L_Y_ allows self-serve gasoline everywhere. > > Amazing! It's been a minute or two since I've been in Oregon. Probably a > couple of years pre-covid. I went across 20, down to Newport, and up the > coast. I lucked out and the weather was great until I got to Port Angeles > and the skies opened up. It was monsoon until I got over Stevens Pass. > > That was more restful than the trip where I went from Grants Pass to Gold > Beach the hard way. At least I got to hike Mt. Bolivar. A few years later > some guy died in that area when his GPS showed a 'shortcut'. The car got > stuck in snow and he went for help. The wife and kids stayed with the car > and survived. There is a lot of road around the Wild Rogue Wilderness, all > of it pretty bad. Never been to Oregon ... and, now-WOKE, see NO reason to ever go there. Seems like somebody is putting LSD in the water supply up the entire west coast. Gimme a Stetson and some cowboy boots and I could be happy until the end.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 20:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8jcocFbdt7U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87576 |
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 01:52:13 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Never been to Oregon ... and, now-WOKE, see NO reason to ever go > there. Seems like somebody is putting LSD in the water supply up the > entire west coast. > > Gimme a Stetson and some cowboy boots and I could be happy until the > end. You would fit in fine in eastern Oregon. There's a semi-serious movement to secede from Oregon and join Nevada or Utah. Oregon has a historical quirk that the present day liberals would rather forget -- no blacks allowed. Blacks still are at about 2% of the population.
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 03:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1129okn.t82.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #87617 |
On 2026-06-06, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 01:52:13 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Never been to Oregon ... and, now-WOKE, see NO reason to ever go >> there. Seems like somebody is putting LSD in the water supply up the >> entire west coast. >> >> Gimme a Stetson and some cowboy boots and I could be happy until the >> end. > > You would fit in fine in eastern Oregon. There's a semi-serious movement > to secede from Oregon and join Nevada or Utah. It's Idaho that eastern Oregon wants to join. Search for "Greater Idaho": https://duckduckgo.com/?ia=web&origin=funnel_home_website&t=h_&hps=1&start=1&q=%22greater+idaho%22 -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 11:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <du6dfmx9it.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #87564 |
On 2026-06-06 05:10, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-06-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On 5 Jun 2026 03:12:31 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: >> Ah, the land of 'don't touch that gas pump'. I did notice if you're on a >> bike they ignore that. Last time I was in the state the eastern counties >> where there aren't enough people to provide pump attendants the law didn't >> apply. > > Thankfully, for maybe year or so now, maybe two years, Oregon > _F_I_N_A_L_L_Y_ allows self-serve gasoline everywhere. Stations > are required to keep "service" on at least 50% of the pumps, and > they can't give a discount for self-serve. My wife has the pump > jockey do the job (and often fail to put the cap back on > properly, sometimes resulting in gasoline spilling out of the > fill neck while driving--not good). I operate the pump myself. Filling the tank so much that gasoline spills when moving, if the cap is loose, means the tank has been filled way too much over the limit. This is bad for a modern car and can cause an expensive breakdown. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 03:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1129orf.t82.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #87599 |
On 2026-06-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-06-06 05:10, Robert Riches wrote: >> On 2026-06-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> On 5 Jun 2026 03:12:31 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > > >>> Ah, the land of 'don't touch that gas pump'. I did notice if you're on a >>> bike they ignore that. Last time I was in the state the eastern counties >>> where there aren't enough people to provide pump attendants the law didn't >>> apply. >> >> Thankfully, for maybe year or so now, maybe two years, Oregon >> _F_I_N_A_L_L_Y_ allows self-serve gasoline everywhere. Stations >> are required to keep "service" on at least 50% of the pumps, and >> they can't give a discount for self-serve. My wife has the pump >> jockey do the job (and often fail to put the cap back on >> properly, sometimes resulting in gasoline spilling out of the >> fill neck while driving--not good). I operate the pump myself. > > Filling the tank so much that gasoline spills when moving, if the cap is > loose, means the tank has been filled way too much over the limit. This > is bad for a modern car and can cause an expensive breakdown. Not necessarily. In this case, the fill was fine. The driver (my wife) is as much of a lead-foot as is her husband. The spilled quantity was tiny--just enough to smell it in the garage. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 04:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <cfycnaBCx9Rtr7j3nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87599 |
On 6/6/26 05:47, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-06-06 05:10, Robert Riches wrote: >> On 2026-06-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> On 5 Jun 2026 03:12:31 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > > >>> Ah, the land of 'don't touch that gas pump'. I did notice if you're on a >>> bike they ignore that. Last time I was in the state the eastern counties >>> where there aren't enough people to provide pump attendants the law >>> didn't >>> apply. >> >> Thankfully, for maybe year or so now, maybe two years, Oregon >> _F_I_N_A_L_L_Y_ allows self-serve gasoline everywhere. Stations >> are required to keep "service" on at least 50% of the pumps, and >> they can't give a discount for self-serve. My wife has the pump >> jockey do the job (and often fail to put the cap back on >> properly, sometimes resulting in gasoline spilling out of the >> fill neck while driving--not good). I operate the pump myself. > > Filling the tank so much that gasoline spills when moving, if the cap is > loose, means the tank has been filled way too much over the limit. This > is bad for a modern car and can cause an expensive breakdown. True ! But I've watched MANY pump, then tap-tap-tap, until the fuel is kinda literally dripping out of the fill tube. THINK they're gaining something :-) MOSTLY gaining a large dribble down the street for five+ miles .....
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-07 19:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8lv1kFec78U11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87638 |
On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 04:59:17 -0400, c186282 wrote: > But I've watched MANY pump, then tap-tap-tap, > until the fuel is kinda literally dripping out of the fill tube. > THINK they're gaining something > > MOSTLY gaining a large dribble down the street for five+ miles ..... I'm careful but a couple of times I've suffered from the effect where you pump nice cold gasoline into a black bike tank on a 95 degree day. The dribble doesn't hit the street.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-04 23:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lNCcneEBefAn2b_3nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87520 |
On 6/4/26 20:13, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 6/4/26 13:58, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 10:36:46 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Individual biz varied more "back then". Took a little while for them >>>> to decide what was in their fiscal interests to use. NOW they seem to >>>> take anything, and you can run it Debit or CCard, PIN or No-PIN >>>> respectively. >>>> Most still have terminals that CAN do mag stripe, but chip-reading >>>> (by insertion or 'tapping') is the most common approach. And yes, >>>> they still do cash. GETTING paid is better than fretting about the >>>> cost of the transaction terminals. >>> >>> I use cash for groceries and usually go through the self checkout line. I >>> seldom go to WinCo even though their prices are good because the traffic >>> pattern is a pain. I had some items and the cash lines were long so I >>> figured I would use the card line. My card was declined. Turns out when >>> they say debit card they mean only debit cards since the swipe fee is much >>> lower than a credit card. >> >> I *never* use 'self-checkout' - they ALWAYS think >> customers are stealing stuff. If somebody just doesn't >> like your face or shoes they'll have the cops come >> and arrest you for shoplifting and strip searched. There >> have been MANY complaints and even lawsuits. I read that >> WalMart is REMOVING this option from a number of its stores. > > I refuse to use self-checkout. The last thing I want is to hear a> mechanical voice nattering at me that I didn't put the bag on the > scale, or put items into the bag at the exact time it wants me to, > etc. etc. ad nausaeum. I'd rather deal with real live people - > it gives them jobs and they're much more pleasant to deal with. My sentiments and more. And if something doesn't get registered, it's the CHECKERS fault, not mine. I go to the food store maybe every ten days to get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half of that is my fav, cashew nuts). It's always "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" and go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say "Hi !", get to watch each item individually scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" and get a little smile. MUCH better. Alas by many reports, Gen-Z/A2 are TERRIFIED to actually interact with strange humans, even over a phone line. Dunno WHAT'S behind that but it's pretty damned bad. A few weeks back a pleasant little bagger gal commented on the Archeology mag I bought - she was pretty sharp and the short exchange made me feel good. Gen-Z might have freaked at her 'rude judgemental intrusion' into their precious insular 'space'. >>> I wasn't thinking since the card I use for the ATM is a debit card >>> but that's all I ever use it for. >> >> Debit cards are likely the best overall option - UNLESS >> you're one of those people perpetually in debt and HAVE >> to incrementally pay a CCard because you don't have three >> dollars in yer checking account. > > We usually use credit cards, but only because we get bonus points > that translate into (a small number of) real dollars from time to > time. We do use debit cards when it's more beneficial, though. I've never used 'bonus points' ever. And really never use the CCard for anything but online payments. Hey, SKIP the 'bonus' bullshit ... just lower the price a little and be done with it. One store I go to always wants me to put in my phone number. WON'T. "But you will save x-dollars!". My reply is the same - "They're not giving discounts unless they expect to make MORE off me some way". >>> Another market capitalized on the 'OMG they aren't going to make pennies >>> anymore!' by turning the self checkout lanes into card only. Pisses me off >>> since the other store in town deal with it. One did the logical thing and >>> rounds off. Sometimes you save 2 cents, sometimes you pay 2 cents more. >>> BFD. >> >> The 'pennies' thing - nobody is going to be happy with >> it EXCEPT the Treasury. Admittedly they're NOT worth >> the cost of making anymore, but transactions almost >> never add up to exact multiples of five cents. >> >> Pennies are SO useless otherwise .... I've suggested >> some kind of PLASTIC penny instead with a tiny little >> strip of 'hologram' tape inside. > > Canada got rid of pennies years ago. People have come to > accept the rounding thing - it all averages out in the end. In theory yes ... half the time YOU eat the diff, the other half of the time the store eats the diff. However the logical 'average' though, customers CHAFE at the idea of being 'cheated' out of a couple of pennies every time it happens. Still think my 'plastic penny' idea has merit here. Ultra-cheap and makes people FEEL like they're not being cheated. Familiar with ISDN numbers ... usually found on books ? It's a long number to which is applied some complex math formula. This verifies that it's an ACCURATE number when the math adds up Just So. Put something like that in the plastic penny 'holo-ribbon' and only issue x-many pennies with that number. If MORE start to show up, forgeries, banks PULL and INVALIDATE that series. Melt 'em down and re-mold. Not an 'instant' process, but 'longer term forgery moderation'. As it's only pennies, forgeries are not gonna add up to a huge amount. Oh, also a GREAT way to re-cycle those PET water bottles :-)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 06:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8f9q0Fl49dU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87526 |
On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 23:38:25 -0400, c186282 wrote: > I go to the food store maybe every ten days to > get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half of that is my fav, > cashew nuts). It's always "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" > and go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say "Hi !", get to watch > each item individually scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" > and get a little smile. MUCH better. Most of the stores in town don't have a 'n items or less' aisle anymore.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 03:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Jz-dneYY7bWy6L_3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87540 |
On 6/5/26 02:48, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 23:38:25 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> I go to the food store maybe every ten days to >> get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half of that is my fav, >> cashew nuts). It's always "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" >> and go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say "Hi !", get to watch >> each item individually scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" >> and get a little smile. MUCH better. > > Most of the stores in town don't have a 'n items or less' aisle anymore. Gee, UNfriendly town !!! Sorry, gonna keep using HUMAN checkers. Any place that gets rid of them I won't shop there anymore.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-05 19:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <elFUR.38656$SHu9.38203@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #87526 |
On 2026-06-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > I go to the food store maybe every ten days to > get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half > of that is my fav, cashew nuts). It's always > "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" and > go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say > "Hi !", get to watch each item individually > scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" > and get a little smile. MUCH better. +1 > Alas by many reports, Gen-Z/A2 are TERRIFIED to > actually interact with strange humans, even over > a phone line. Dunno WHAT'S behind that but it's > pretty damned bad. Weird. > A few weeks back a pleasant little bagger gal > commented on the Archeology mag I bought - she > was pretty sharp and the short exchange made > me feel good. Gen-Z might have freaked at > her 'rude judgemental intrusion' into their > precious insular 'space'. When we're at the pub, my wife often strikes up a conversation with the waitress while we're paying our bill. She's good at getting someone's life history out of them. Many of these people are there to pay the bills while going to school - and taking interesting and useful courses, not just fluff. It's reassuring to see that at least some people are trying to make something of their lives. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 00:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j76dnV9gQrVGPr73nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87558 |
On 6/5/26 15:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> I go to the food store maybe every ten days to >> get a few items (now VERY expensive - but half >> of that is my fav, cashew nuts). It's always >> "10 items or less". Walk right by "self" and >> go to the 10-items lane instead. Get to say >> "Hi !", get to watch each item individually >> scanned by the employee. Get to say "THANKS !" >> and get a little smile. MUCH better. > > +1 > >> Alas by many reports, Gen-Z/A2 are TERRIFIED to >> actually interact with strange humans, even over >> a phone line. Dunno WHAT'S behind that but it's >> pretty damned bad. > > Weird. I know, but search on it ... not making this up. >> A few weeks back a pleasant little bagger gal >> commented on the Archeology mag I bought - she >> was pretty sharp and the short exchange made >> me feel good. Gen-Z might have freaked at >> her 'rude judgemental intrusion' into their >> precious insular 'space'. > > When we're at the pub, my wife often strikes up a > conversation with the waitress while we're paying > our bill. She's good at getting someone's life > history out of them. Many of these people are > there to pay the bills while going to school - > and taking interesting and useful courses, > not just fluff. It's reassuring to see that > at least some people are trying to make something > of their lives. Checkers/waiters/etc are NOT alien drones. SOME are idiots but MOST are "people". Some are BRIGHT people. They're not evil or devils. Odd how the rise of "social networks" resulted in the kiddies becoming very UN-social. Some new thinking paradigm emerged. Either that or Mommy WAS smoking enough crack to warp their little brains ......
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 05:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8hqqnF1g5uU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87569 |
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 00:36:43 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Checkers/waiters/etc are NOT alien drones. SOME are idiots but MOST > are "people". Some are BRIGHT people. They're not evil or devils. The pattern is kids come to UM, fall in love with the area, and stay after they graduate. We may have the most well educated baristas, waiters, and shoe clerks in the world.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 02:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j76dnVVgQrUxIL73nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #87575 |
On 6/6/26 01:51, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 00:36:43 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Checkers/waiters/etc are NOT alien drones. SOME are idiots but MOST >> are "people". Some are BRIGHT people. They're not evil or devils. > > The pattern is kids come to UM, fall in love with the area, and stay after > they graduate. We may have the most well educated baristas, waiters, and > shoe clerks in the world. Ummm ... ok ..... but is that overall useful ? :-) Anyway, from reading, really seems like a LOT of Gen-Z/A2 act like they're kinda far up "the spectrum" when it comes to random social interaction. They're the kind who will TEXT the Uber driver - "over by the yellow sign" rather than just SAY "over by the yellow sign". NOT sure of the whats and whys for this. Probably multi-factor, no one convenient answer. But it STARTED with 'online'-everything - a blank gap between "Me" and "Them". ANYway ... NO reason to be mean to those with 'service' jobs at all. Most are very decent. Don't even care if they can write 'C' - not THAT many can or ever will anyhow.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-06 20:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8jd9uFbdt7U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #87580 |
On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 02:26:52 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Anyway, from reading, really seems like a LOT of Gen-Z/A2 act like > they're kinda far up "the spectrum" when it comes to random social > interaction. > > They're the kind who will TEXT the Uber driver - "over by the yellow > sign" rather than just SAY "over by the yellow sign". I don't have much contact with Gen Z. They're around obviously but I think they hide in spider holes. I'm not great at estimating ages but it even seems like a slightly older crowd at events around town, even the last 4/20 thing I stumbled into.
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