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ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-05 22:01 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2023-02-06 03:42 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-06 00:31 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-06 18:18 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-06 23:33 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-07 05:50 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-09 21:22 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-10 18:59 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-10 19:17 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-11 03:21 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-11 18:07 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "24B.R869" <26B.R869@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-11 23:08 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-06 04:34 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-06 00:52 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-06 18:17 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-08 03:02 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com> - 2023-02-06 17:38 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-06 23:54 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-02-07 13:59 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-08 01:49 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-08 19:15 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2023-02-08 11:39 +0000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-09 04:49 +1000
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-08 22:22 -0500
Re: ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST Tramiv <Tramiv@doe.com> - 2023-02-08 19:46 +0000
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-05 22:01 -0500 |
| Subject | ChatGPT *Can Write Code* ... And MS $$$ Will Push It Further FAST |
| Message-ID | <ciSdnWwhx5UI8H3-nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/us-health-weekend-features-project/article-11710217/Will-ChatGPT-job-Experts-reveal-five-professions-risk-AI.html As well as producing convincing text in English, ChatGPT can also write computer code in languages such as Python. Demonstrations shown off by OpenAI show ChatGPT debugging code in response to prompts. ChatGPT maker OpenAI also makes a different version, Codex, specifically for writing computer code, which Microsoft uses in its GitHub Copilot. Saidi says that such technology could have an immediate and wide-ranging impact on developers - and even cybersecurity experts. 'Now, this is where we can start to get a bit concerned, even with applications like ChatGPT still in their rudimentary form,' he continued. 'ChatGPT generates lines of html code without having to think, solving complex errors in sequence of code infinitely faster than a human. 'This, to a certain extent, is throwing the role of supporting software engineers into question. . . . A month or so ago I mentioned how 4/5/6th-gen (depends on how you count gens) software development platforms can put most programmers OUT OF BUSINESS. Even the pointy-haired boss can kinda describe what's wanted and then nit-pick the results until it's just what they (think they) want. With MS money behind it, ChatGPT+Codex will be a heavy contender Real Soon. Now it's looking MUCH more real. We may have outsmarted ourselves guys ... and automation will also absorb most of those backup jobs where "do you want fries with that ?" gets frequent play. McDonalds is already into AutoMacs, I think the first one is supposed to come online a few months from now. The deliveries will be all automated too in a few years - hardly a human hand involved anywhere in the chain. They haven't explained how unemployed humans are gonna PAY for their Big Macs however ..... Humans are expensive and bitch a lot. "AI"s are a little expensive up front, but cheap and placid thereafter. No complaints, no strikes, no lawsuits, no OSHA or Workers Comp or ............... get the Big Picture ? :-)
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| From | doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 03:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <trpsud$1vro$2@gallifrey.nk.ca> |
| In reply to | #36923 |
In article <ciSdnWwhx5UI8H3-nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@earthlink.com>, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: >https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/us-health-weekend-features-project/article-11710217/Will-ChatGPT-job-Experts-reveal-five-professions-risk-AI.html > >As well as producing convincing text in English, ChatGPT can >also write computer code in languages such as Python. > >Demonstrations shown off by OpenAI show ChatGPT debugging >code in response to prompts. > >ChatGPT maker OpenAI also makes a different version, Codex, >specifically for writing computer code, which Microsoft uses >in its GitHub Copilot. > >Saidi says that such technology could have an immediate and >wide-ranging impact on developers - and even cybersecurity >experts. > >'Now, this is where we can start to get a bit concerned, >even with applications like ChatGPT still in their rudimentary >form,' he continued. > >'ChatGPT generates lines of html code without having to think, >solving complex errors in sequence of code infinitely faster >than a human. > >'This, to a certain extent, is throwing the role of supporting >software engineers into question. > >. . . > > A month or so ago I mentioned how 4/5/6th-gen (depends > on how you count gens) software development platforms > can put most programmers OUT OF BUSINESS. Even the > pointy-haired boss can kinda describe what's wanted > and then nit-pick the results until it's just what > they (think they) want. > > With MS money behind it, ChatGPT+Codex will be a heavy > contender Real Soon. > > Now it's looking MUCH more real. We may have outsmarted > ourselves guys ... and automation will also absorb most > of those backup jobs where "do you want fries with that ?" > gets frequent play. McDonalds is already into AutoMacs, > I think the first one is supposed to come online a few > months from now. The deliveries will be all automated > too in a few years - hardly a human hand involved anywhere > in the chain. > > They haven't explained how unemployed humans are gonna > PAY for their Big Macs however ..... > > Humans are expensive and bitch a lot. "AI"s are a little > expensive up front, but cheap and placid thereafter. No > complaints, no strikes, no lawsuits, no OSHA or Workers > Comp or ............... get the Big Picture ? :-) > M$ touches something, it turns into mud! -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b If their only strength is in enforcing weakness, then they will preside over ruin. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 00:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4lWdnSYjDPYgDX3-nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #36924 |
On 2/5/23 10:42 PM, The Doctor wrote: > In article <ciSdnWwhx5UI8H3-nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@earthlink.com>, > 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: >> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/us-health-weekend-features-project/article-11710217/Will-ChatGPT-job-Experts-reveal-five-professions-risk-AI.html >> >> As well as producing convincing text in English, ChatGPT can >> also write computer code in languages such as Python. >> >> Demonstrations shown off by OpenAI show ChatGPT debugging >> code in response to prompts. >> >> ChatGPT maker OpenAI also makes a different version, Codex, >> specifically for writing computer code, which Microsoft uses >> in its GitHub Copilot. >> >> Saidi says that such technology could have an immediate and >> wide-ranging impact on developers - and even cybersecurity >> experts. >> >> 'Now, this is where we can start to get a bit concerned, >> even with applications like ChatGPT still in their rudimentary >> form,' he continued. >> >> 'ChatGPT generates lines of html code without having to think, >> solving complex errors in sequence of code infinitely faster >> than a human. >> >> 'This, to a certain extent, is throwing the role of supporting >> software engineers into question. >> >> . . . >> >> A month or so ago I mentioned how 4/5/6th-gen (depends >> on how you count gens) software development platforms >> can put most programmers OUT OF BUSINESS. Even the >> pointy-haired boss can kinda describe what's wanted >> and then nit-pick the results until it's just what >> they (think they) want. >> >> With MS money behind it, ChatGPT+Codex will be a heavy >> contender Real Soon. >> >> Now it's looking MUCH more real. We may have outsmarted >> ourselves guys ... and automation will also absorb most >> of those backup jobs where "do you want fries with that ?" >> gets frequent play. McDonalds is already into AutoMacs, >> I think the first one is supposed to come online a few >> months from now. The deliveries will be all automated >> too in a few years - hardly a human hand involved anywhere >> in the chain. >> >> They haven't explained how unemployed humans are gonna >> PAY for their Big Macs however ..... >> >> Humans are expensive and bitch a lot. "AI"s are a little >> expensive up front, but cheap and placid thereafter. No >> complaints, no strikes, no lawsuits, no OSHA or Workers >> Comp or ............... get the Big Picture ? :-) >> > > M$ touches something, it turns into mud! People pay to rub mud on themselves - MS capitalizes on that :-) Now there WAS a time when MS was relatively benign. It was seen as a sort of industry hero. Most all was free or almost free. That changed when the Macs became really popular. MS became *evil*. Gates was/is a superior programmer - unfortunately he also became a very savvy, sociopathic, BIZ GUY ....... Oh well, the MS marketing strategy, different from Apple's "elitist" strategy, makes sure that MOST people get and get used to MS systems. They don't know anything else, anything better, and cannot fully grasp "open"/free software - assume it's junk. I know several bosses who are CONVINCED that if they aren't buying $5k software licenses for MS dependent products they're just not doing their jobs (or fattening their budgets). One buys a bunch of ArcGIS licenses - even though almost nobody can figure out how to use it. Yep, there are FREE gis systems that'll do what everyone needs, more simply, but FREE=CRAP ! ArcGIS is "standard" and lots of licenses = PRESTIGE !
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 18:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tvbEL.609367$iU59.244424@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #36931 |
On 2023-02-06, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > Now there WAS a time when MS was relatively benign. > It was seen as a sort of industry hero. Most all was > free or almost free. That changed when the Macs > became really popular. MS became *evil*. I think it happened earlier than that. I was finding and working around bugs and design flaws in MS-DOS before the Mac came out. But I agree that in the CP/M days Microsoft was a relatively decent company that then turned evil. > Gates was/is a superior programmer - We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. He was/is a mediocre programmer who built his reputation on tricks that would get a programmer fired in a Real-World environment. At least until he got his hooks into the industry, because... > unfortunately he also became a very savvy, > sociopathic, BIZ GUY ....... ...to the point where the board had to ease him out of the top slot because he was becoming an embarrassment to the company. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 23:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <VaCcnQPPfpQLSXz-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #36937 |
On 2/6/23 1:18 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2023-02-06, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > >> Now there WAS a time when MS was relatively benign. >> It was seen as a sort of industry hero. Most all was >> free or almost free. That changed when the Macs >> became really popular. MS became *evil*. > > I think it happened earlier than that. I was finding > and working around bugs and design flaws in MS-DOS > before the Mac came out. But I agree that in the CP/M > days Microsoft was a relatively decent company that > then turned evil. Originally the OS and some fairly decent tools were "affordable" and they weren't all obsessed about people "stealing" them. But that DID change - not all at once, but progressively. Gates began to acquire an 'empire' and that DOES change yer thinking (almost always for the worse). > >> Gates was/is a superior programmer - > > We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. He was/is > a mediocre programmer who built his reputation on tricks > that would get a programmer fired in a Real-World environment. > At least until he got his hooks into the industry, because... Well, what you might call "tricks" I might call "brilliant" :-) I've done enough embedded to appreciate the art of cramming a lot of function into a teenie-tiny space using every possible hardware/software quirk. That's kinda the universe of young Gates - 8008's or less such with pitiful specs. And a lot of those "tricks" live on - and not just in MS systems. Search around a bit and you CAN find ads from people selling "advanced office computer workstations" based on the 8080 ... they used up a rather large ugly office desk. You could splurge (impress your rivals !) by buying the DUAL 8" FLOPPY UNIT and a whopping 32kb of RAM :-) I think most were S-100 units. https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Intel_8080_Advertisement_May_1974.jpg or the IMSAI 8080 or try http://bluefaqs.com/2009/09/35-vintage-tech-ads/ >> unfortunately he also became a very savvy, >> sociopathic, BIZ GUY ....... > > ...to the point where the board had to ease him out of the > top slot because he was becoming an embarrassment to the > company. That MAY have been the reason. However I doubt it because The Company has become much more evil since Gates kinda left the picture. Win-11 is pure BigBrotherWare. I cringe every time I need to set up some new hire with it so they can have their precious Word and Excel LIKE EVERY NORMAL BIZ PERSON USES ......... Aaaaauuuggghhhh !
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-07 05:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <FElEL.12234$Aoja.12218@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #36941 |
On 2023-02-07, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > On 2/6/23 1:18 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2023-02-06, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: >> >>> Gates was/is a superior programmer - >> >> We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. He was/is >> a mediocre programmer who built his reputation on tricks >> that would get a programmer fired in a Real-World environment. >> At least until he got his hooks into the industry, because... > > Well, what you might call "tricks" I might call "brilliant" :-) > > I've done enough embedded to appreciate the art of cramming > a lot of function into a teenie-tiny space using every possible > hardware/software quirk. That's kinda the universe of young > Gates - 8008's or less such with pitiful specs. > > And a lot of those "tricks" live on - and not just in MS > systems. Been there, done that. I've written code that I'm not too proud of, and I've maintained code that goes over the top in cleverness. If I can find another way to squeeze a few bytes I'll untangle as much of it as I can. And there's no way I'd let clever but obfuscated code stand when porting it to a system with enough memory to do it in a straightforward fashion. Clever tricks will bite you sooner or later. Or maybe they'll bite the next person who has to maintain it. But if you're a consultant who has collected your money and headed off down the road, you're probably not too worried about that - especially if you're someone like Gates. > or the IMSAI 8080 I still have mine - gotta figure how to find or fake a 2708 with the boot code that has rotted away. >>> unfortunately he also became a very savvy, >>> sociopathic, BIZ GUY ....... >> >> ...to the point where the board had to ease him out of the >> top slot because he was becoming an embarrassment to the >> company. > > That MAY have been the reason. However I doubt it because > The Company has become much more evil since Gates kinda > left the picture. I can believe both simultaneously. Maybe the board changed composition in the meantime. Or maybe they were just waiting for the chance to screw the industry themselves. > Win-11 is pure BigBrotherWare. That's why I've done what I can to stick with XP. I've heard that Win7 wasn't too bad, but we've always had bad chemistry for some reason. > I cringe > every time I need to set up some new hire with it so they > can have their precious Word and Excel LIKE EVERY NORMAL > BIZ PERSON USES ......... For my needs, LibreOffice is much nicer. At least I can pull up a CSV file and have the columns come out with decent widths without having to manually invoke that hilariously-named "autofit" feature. > Aaaaauuuggghhhh ! I feel your pain. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-09 21:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Sb6cnVkbUvDvN3j-nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #36945 |
On 2/7/23 12:50 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2023-02-07, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > >> On 2/6/23 1:18 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2023-02-06, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Gates was/is a superior programmer - >>> >>> We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. He was/is >>> a mediocre programmer who built his reputation on tricks >>> that would get a programmer fired in a Real-World environment. >>> At least until he got his hooks into the industry, because... >> >> Well, what you might call "tricks" I might call "brilliant" :-) >> >> I've done enough embedded to appreciate the art of cramming >> a lot of function into a teenie-tiny space using every possible >> hardware/software quirk. That's kinda the universe of young >> Gates - 8008's or less such with pitiful specs. >> >> And a lot of those "tricks" live on - and not just in MS >> systems. > > Been there, done that. I've written code that I'm not too proud > of, and I've maintained code that goes over the top in cleverness. > If I can find another way to squeeze a few bytes I'll untangle > as much of it as I can. And there's no way I'd let clever but > obfuscated code stand when porting it to a system with enough > memory to do it in a straightforward fashion. > > Clever tricks will bite you sooner or later. Or maybe they'll > bite the next person who has to maintain it. But if you're a > consultant who has collected your money and headed off down > the road, you're probably not too worried about that - > especially if you're someone like Gates. > >> or the IMSAI 8080 > > I still have mine - gotta figure how to find or fake > a 2708 with the boot code that has rotted away. https://www.nteinc.com/specs/2700to2799/pdf/nte2708.pdf https://groups.io/g/AltairComputerClub/topic/81091122 https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/replace-2708-eprom-with-an-arduino.1225897/ https://www.ebay.com/itm/254772475431 Good luck finding the old boot code. >>>> unfortunately he also became a very savvy, >>>> sociopathic, BIZ GUY ....... >>> >>> ...to the point where the board had to ease him out of the >>> top slot because he was becoming an embarrassment to the >>> company. >> >> That MAY have been the reason. However I doubt it because >> The Company has become much more evil since Gates kinda >> left the picture. > > I can believe both simultaneously. Maybe the board changed > composition in the meantime. Or maybe they were just waiting > for the chance to screw the industry themselves. > >> Win-11 is pure BigBrotherWare. > > That's why I've done what I can to stick with XP. I've heard > that Win7 wasn't too bad, but we've always had bad chemistry > for some reason. 7 still works kinda OK, not as junky as 10 or 11. XP is really about as far as you wanna go with Win, Now way on back I was looking through the Win2k registry and, gee, there were NSA keys in there - plainly labeled too .... I keep 2k and XP in VM's for those rare times something about them is needed - tends to be web interfaces for devices that require Win plugins or nothin'. Between WINE and VirtualBox I'd rather use VirtualBox. >> I cringe >> every time I need to set up some new hire with it so they >> can have their precious Word and Excel LIKE EVERY NORMAL >> BIZ PERSON USES ......... > > For my needs, LibreOffice is much nicer. At least I can > pull up a CSV file and have the columns come out with decent > widths without having to manually invoke that hilariously-named > "autofit" feature. > >> Aaaaauuuggghhhh ! > > I feel your pain.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-10 18:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PuwFL.454391$gGD7.408423@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #36985 |
On 2023-02-10, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote:
> On 2/7/23 12:50 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2023-02-07, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> or the IMSAI 8080
>>
>> I still have mine - gotta figure how to find or fake
>> a 2708 with the boot code that has rotted away.
>
> https://www.nteinc.com/specs/2700to2799/pdf/nte2708.pdf
> https://groups.io/g/AltairComputerClub/topic/81091122
> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/replace-2708-eprom-with-an-arduino.1225897/
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/254772475431
Thanks for the links. It'd be nice to get it going again -
there's some stuff on my 8-inch floppies I'd like to copy.
> Good luck finding the old boot code.
I should have listings somewhere...
>>> Win-11 is pure BigBrotherWare.
>>
>> That's why I've done what I can to stick with XP. I've heard
>> that Win7 wasn't too bad, but we've always had bad chemistry
>> for some reason.
>
> 7 still works kinda OK, not as junky as 10 or 11. XP is
> really about as far as you wanna go with Win,
I agree, and have managed to continue making a living on XP.
The laptop I'm writing this on came with Win7; I shrank its
partition and loaded Debian onto it, leaving a dual-boot
configuration. I seldom boot W7, although if I could figure
out how to get VirtualBox to access its partition it would
make life easier sometimes.
> Now way on
> back I was looking through the Win2k registry and, gee,
> there were NSA keys in there - plainly labeled too ....
They've been pulling their shenanigans for a long time:
- Win95 Registration Troj^H^H^H^HWizard
- Win98 Java extensions (smacked down HARD by Sun)
- Win2K's attempt to break Samba servers by sending
them an invalid command and refusing to connect
if the error message wasn't worded exactly the
way a Microsoft server would word it (took the
open source community about two days to patch
the Samba server to spoof a M$ server)
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-10 19:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ts657d$14i22$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #36999 |
On 10/02/2023 18:59, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2023-02-10, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > >> On 2/7/23 12:50 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2023-02-07, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: >>> >>>> or the IMSAI 8080 >>> >>> I still have mine - gotta figure how to find or fake >>> a 2708 with the boot code that has rotted away. >> >> https://www.nteinc.com/specs/2700to2799/pdf/nte2708.pdf >> https://groups.io/g/AltairComputerClub/topic/81091122 >> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/replace-2708-eprom-with-an-arduino.1225897/ >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/254772475431 > > Thanks for the links. It'd be nice to get it going again - > there's some stuff on my 8-inch floppies I'd like to copy. > >> Good luck finding the old boot code. > > I should have listings somewhere... > >>>> Win-11 is pure BigBrotherWare. >>> >>> That's why I've done what I can to stick with XP. I've heard >>> that Win7 wasn't too bad, but we've always had bad chemistry >>> for some reason. >> >> 7 still works kinda OK, not as junky as 10 or 11. XP is >> really about as far as you wanna go with Win, > > I agree, and have managed to continue making a living on XP. > The laptop I'm writing this on came with Win7; I shrank its > partition and loaded Debian onto it, leaving a dual-boot > configuration. I seldom boot W7, although if I could figure > out how to get VirtualBox to access its partition it would > make life easier sometimes. > >> Now way on >> back I was looking through the Win2k registry and, gee, >> there were NSA keys in there - plainly labeled too .... > > They've been pulling their shenanigans for a long time: > > - Win95 Registration Troj^H^H^H^HWizard > - Win98 Java extensions (smacked down HARD by Sun) > - Win2K's attempt to break Samba servers by sending > them an invalid command and refusing to connect > if the error message wasn't worded exactly the > way a Microsoft server would word it (took the > open source community about two days to patch > the Samba server to spoof a M$ server) > Not impossible if you have an assembler and a ROM burner to write your own. -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift.
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-11 03:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tTGdndAfloeHzXr-nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #36999 |
On 2/10/23 1:59 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2023-02-10, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > >> On 2/7/23 12:50 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2023-02-07, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: >>> >>>> or the IMSAI 8080 >>> >>> I still have mine - gotta figure how to find or fake >>> a 2708 with the boot code that has rotted away. >> >> https://www.nteinc.com/specs/2700to2799/pdf/nte2708.pdf >> https://groups.io/g/AltairComputerClub/topic/81091122 >> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/replace-2708-eprom-with-an-arduino.1225897/ >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/254772475431 > > Thanks for the links. It'd be nice to get it going again - > there's some stuff on my 8-inch floppies I'd like to copy. Does anyone even sell 8" floppies anymore (much LESS 8" drives) ??? Hey, I'll check Amazon for an external USB 8" floppy unit :-) I have a dozen of the things, but NO WAY to read them. Hardware obsolescence is a BIGGIE - even the National Archives are is a panic. Not to mention all that important NASA stuff stored on on-off devices in one-off file systems in undocumented encoding formats .......... >> Good luck finding the old boot code. > > I should have listings somewhere... Hope. SOMETIMES you get lucky. Found disk images for my Apple-II (dual disk) unit. Now I've gotta decide whether to risk turning it on - the caps may go up in flames and take everything else with them. Have an LSI-11 unit ... some PAPER caps in it. They WILL go up in flames fer-sure. MAJOR re- soldering job there ..... What DISAPPEARED on me was VMS images. The people offering them for free DON'T anymore. I really liked VMS ... super-capable, geared for multi-user international biz/science even over super-crap modems back in the day. > >>>> Win-11 is pure BigBrotherWare. >>> >>> That's why I've done what I can to stick with XP. I've heard >>> that Win7 wasn't too bad, but we've always had bad chemistry >>> for some reason. >> >> 7 still works kinda OK, not as junky as 10 or 11. XP is >> really about as far as you wanna go with Win, > > I agree, and have managed to continue making a living on XP. > The laptop I'm writing this on came with Win7; I shrank its > partition and loaded Debian onto it, leaving a dual-boot > configuration. I seldom boot W7, although if I could figure > out how to get VirtualBox to access its partition it would > make life easier sometimes. Though all my boxes use Linux's ... I just CANNOT be 100% free of Win. I've users that only use Win and I have to port over apps. 'C' and Lazarus and Python make that kinda easy - but I *have* to micro-tweak them for Win. Lucky nobody's still using CP/M :-) >> Now way on >> back I was looking through the Win2k registry and, gee, >> there were NSA keys in there - plainly labeled too .... > > They've been pulling their shenanigans for a long time: Pretty much since the beginning. SOME say there are backdoors even in Win-3.11. Gates was threatened with anti-trust - and he very quickly learned to GREASE his politicians. > - Win95 Registration Troj^H^H^H^HWizard > - Win98 Java extensions (smacked down HARD by Sun) > - Win2K's attempt to break Samba servers by sending > them an invalid command and refusing to connect > if the error message wasn't worded exactly the > way a Microsoft server would word it (took the > open source community about two days to patch > the Samba server to spoof a M$ server) M$ just IS gonna make it harder and harder to get around them. They have unlimited money. Their OTHER scheme is to "infiltrate" Linux/Unix ... keep adding modules/apps/ code-snippets until their stuff is integral/INDISPENSIBLE in the -IX universe. Then they OWN it, or at least can unleash the lawyers to DESTROY it. M$, like Apple, IS slowly drifting towards an -IX underlying system because it just HAS to. However they'll wanna completely OWN that universe and have the legal power/$$$ to overwhelm any opposition. Time for a "New Unix" - something Bill CAN'T claim ???
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-11 18:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <%PQFL.155022$Ldj8.129403@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #37009 |
On 2023-02-11, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > Found disk images for my Apple-II (dual disk) > unit. Now I've gotta decide whether to risk > turning it on - the caps may go up in flames > and take everything else with them. Have an > LSI-11 unit ... some PAPER caps in it. They > WILL go up in flames fer-sure. MAJOR re- > soldering job there ..... Try re-forming the capacitors. My IMSAI had been sitting for 20 years, so after sweeping out the mouse droppings I unhooked the big electrolytics in that good old 28-amp power supply, then took a battery and a suitable resistor and slowly charged and discharged them. I hooked them up again, crossed my fingers, flipped the power switch, and it came right up. > Though all my boxes use Linux's ... I just CANNOT be > 100% free of Win. I've users that only use Win and > I have to port over apps. 'C' and Lazarus and Python > make that kinda easy - but I *have* to micro-tweak > them for Win. Our customers are pretty much 100% Windows, although a few daring ones are using Linux, and the ports I've been maintaining came in handy. Fortunately for me I do mostly back-end stuff, so someone else can worry about the eye candy; I just sit in the background, talk with the rest of the system via sockets, and ensure that the design of the internals remains logical. > M$ just IS gonna make it harder and harder to get around > them. They have unlimited money. Their OTHER scheme is > to "infiltrate" Linux/Unix ... keep adding modules/apps/ > code-snippets until their stuff is integral/INDISPENSIBLE > in the -IX universe. Then they OWN it, or at least can > unleash the lawyers to DESTROY it. Embrace, extend, extinguish... just one more "innovation" that they didn't invent, PR flacks notwithstanding. Hopefully the Linux stalwarts will ensure that alternatives remain - and Apple has gotten inconveniently large and hard to kill, which wasn't in Bill's plan at all. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | "24B.R869" <26B.R869@noaaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-11 23:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <iEmdnWXeddSz-3X-nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #37021 |
On 2/11/23 1:07 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2023-02-11, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > >> Found disk images for my Apple-II (dual disk) >> unit. Now I've gotta decide whether to risk >> turning it on - the caps may go up in flames >> and take everything else with them. Have an >> LSI-11 unit ... some PAPER caps in it. They >> WILL go up in flames fer-sure. MAJOR re- >> soldering job there ..... > > Try re-forming the capacitors. My IMSAI had been sitting > for 20 years, so after sweeping out the mouse droppings > I unhooked the big electrolytics in that good old 28-amp > power supply, then took a battery and a suitable resistor > and slowly charged and discharged them. I hooked them > up again, crossed my fingers, flipped the power switch, > and it came right up. I know it can work - but for some of these old boxes there are a LOT of caps. Maybe after I retire .... >> Though all my boxes use Linux's ... I just CANNOT be >> 100% free of Win. I've users that only use Win and >> I have to port over apps. 'C' and Lazarus and Python >> make that kinda easy - but I *have* to micro-tweak >> them for Win. > > Our customers are pretty much 100% Windows, although a > few daring ones are using Linux, and the ports I've been > maintaining came in handy. Fortunately for me I do mostly > back-end stuff, so someone else can worry about the eye > candy; I just sit in the background, talk with the rest > of the system via sockets, and ensure that the design of > the internals remains logical. The users will NEVER be happy about the "look & feel", so you're better off with the engines the GUI makes use of. >> M$ just IS gonna make it harder and harder to get around >> them. They have unlimited money. Their OTHER scheme is >> to "infiltrate" Linux/Unix ... keep adding modules/apps/ >> code-snippets until their stuff is integral/INDISPENSIBLE >> in the -IX universe. Then they OWN it, or at least can >> unleash the lawyers to DESTROY it. > > Embrace, extend, extinguish... just one more "innovation" > that they didn't invent, PR flacks notwithstanding. Hopefully > the Linux stalwarts will ensure that alternatives remain - > and Apple has gotten inconveniently large and hard to kill, > which wasn't in Bill's plan at all. Oh, I dunno ..... M$ owns a fair percentage of Apple (and probably vice-versa). As such they APPEAR to be competitors but it's really just one mega-corp. My concern is their "infiltration" (and their army of lawyers). Won't be long before they CAN claim some kind of ownership of Linux, maybe extending to the kernel. Linus won't be on the scene forever and without his anal vision EXPECT the kernel to import more and more M$ bits and pieces. As such, as I've said here before, the Capable People need to get started on a TOTALLY non-M$ take on Unix/Linux - something pure and just different enough so they can NEVER lay claim. I've mentioned OS-9 here before ... a fairly "Unix-Like" OS from the old days (brags about being much more efficient and is STILL sold). Perhaps a functional, legally unique, clone of that blown up into a modern 64-bit OS ... ???
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 04:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Kr%DL.409659$gGD7.207495@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #36923 |
On 2023-02-06, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > 'ChatGPT generates lines of html code without having to think, > solving complex errors in sequence of code infinitely faster > than a human. Oh, great. Web sites will be even more clever at discriminating against the browsers they don't want you to run. The other day I went to the bank to activate a credit card, since I couldn't get it to work on their web site. The clerk asked me which browser I was using, pointing out that they only support Edge and Chrome. When I told him I used Firefox, he replied, "Never heard of it." But I got him to walk through the activation procedure on his own terminal (which worked fine, of course, since he was using Edge). At least I had the satisfaction of wasting the bank's time rather than them wasting mine. > A month or so ago I mentioned how 4/5/6th-gen (depends > on how you count gens) software development platforms > can put most programmers OUT OF BUSINESS. Even the > pointy-haired boss can kinda describe what's wanted > and then nit-pick the results until it's just what > they (think they) want. > > With MS money behind it, ChatGPT+Codex will be a heavy > contender Real Soon. Oh no - M$ makes enough stupid design decisions on their own; who knows what crap an AI will come up with. > Humans are expensive and bitch a lot. "AI"s are a little > expensive up front, but cheap and placid thereafter. No > complaints, no strikes, no lawsuits, no OSHA or Workers > Comp or ............... get the Big Picture ? :-) And still our governments are obsessed with increasing our population as quickly as possible. What are these people going to do, aside from going psychotic and shooting each other? -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 00:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <7cycne6TYc8VCH3-nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #36926 |
On 2/5/23 11:34 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2023-02-06, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > >> 'ChatGPT generates lines of html code without having to think, >> solving complex errors in sequence of code infinitely faster >> than a human. > > Oh, great. Web sites will be even more clever at discriminating > against the browsers they don't want you to run. Yep ! EDGE or NOTHIN' !!! :-) > The other day I went to the bank to activate a credit card, > since I couldn't get it to work on their web site. The clerk > asked me which browser I was using, pointing out that they only > support Edge and Chrome. When I told him I used Firefox, he > replied, "Never heard of it." But I got him to walk through the > activation procedure on his own terminal (which worked fine, of > course, since he was using Edge). At least I had the satisfaction > of wasting the bank's time rather than them wasting mine. "Never heard" of Firefox ??? Bull. It's been around for longer than Chrome and a LOT longer than Edge. It's just a dodge for an inferior web page. >> A month or so ago I mentioned how 4/5/6th-gen (depends >> on how you count gens) software development platforms >> can put most programmers OUT OF BUSINESS. Even the >> pointy-haired boss can kinda describe what's wanted >> and then nit-pick the results until it's just what >> they (think they) want. >> >> With MS money behind it, ChatGPT+Codex will be a heavy >> contender Real Soon. > > Oh no - M$ makes enough stupid design decisions on their own; > who knows what crap an AI will come up with. Doesn't matter - they'll COMPEL people to use it. They have the clout ... and nobody, despite all the MS BS, rebels. They made everybody buy newer PCs for Win-11, a HUGE expense, and BET they repeat that for Win-12. MS has clearly bought-in to the main PC makers and PROFIT$ when new hardware is required. Nobody blinks an eye. >> Humans are expensive and bitch a lot. "AI"s are a little >> expensive up front, but cheap and placid thereafter. No >> complaints, no strikes, no lawsuits, no OSHA or Workers >> Comp or ............... get the Big Picture ? :-) > > And still our governments are obsessed with increasing our > population as quickly as possible. What are these people going > to do, aside from going psychotic and shooting each other? (Western) govts HAVE A PROBLEM. Look up the fecundity rates. Even the USA is now below the pop replacement rate. I think Japan is worst off. "Success" means you don't have to have nine kids to support/defend you. BUT - 'welfare' states DEPEND on ripping-off future gens to support the bread and circuses for the CURRENT gens. To fail at that is political DISASTER (broader disaster, who cares so long as the pols are pop eh). Did you wonder why the US (and EU) are ignoring massive illegal immigration ? THAT is why. They need a whole new class of wage slaves to pay TAXES to float all the "free money" stuff. As for "going psycho" ... yea, it's a problem. The social/cultural disintegration was "in-progress" (usually with Chinese backing somewhere in there) but COVID lockdowns amplified the problem quite abruptly. Way too many people CAN'T COPE anymore and either go psycho or go Mad Max. Dunno if there's any real fix beyond hard-ass fascists - and that has a lot of issues as well.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 18:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rvbEL.609364$iU59.84778@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #36932 |
On 2023-02-06, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > On 2/5/23 11:34 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> The other day I went to the bank to activate a credit card, >> since I couldn't get it to work on their web site. The clerk >> asked me which browser I was using, pointing out that they only >> support Edge and Chrome. When I told him I used Firefox, he >> replied, "Never heard of it." But I got him to walk through the >> activation procedure on his own terminal (which worked fine, of >> course, since he was using Edge). At least I had the satisfaction >> of wasting the bank's time rather than them wasting mine. > > "Never heard" of Firefox ??? Bull. It's been around > for longer than Chrome and a LOT longer than Edge. > It's just a dodge for an inferior web page. You know that. I know that. But the bank turns a blind eye - although I'm sure that up in head office someone is rubbing his hands with glee. I'm going to make it a policy from now on to go to the bank and waste their time if their web site acts up. >> Oh no - M$ makes enough stupid design decisions on their own; >> who knows what crap an AI will come up with. > > Doesn't matter - they'll COMPEL people to use it. They > have the clout ... and nobody, despite all the MS BS, > rebels. They made everybody buy newer PCs for Win-11, > a HUGE expense, and BET they repeat that for Win-12. > MS has clearly bought-in to the main PC makers and > PROFIT$ when new hardware is required. Nobody blinks > an eye. On the other hand, there'll be plenty of cheap hardware available that I can run Linux on. >> And still our governments are obsessed with increasing our >> population as quickly as possible. What are these people going >> to do, aside from going psychotic and shooting each other? > > (Western) govts HAVE A PROBLEM. Look up the fecundity > rates. Even the USA is now below the pop replacement > rate. I think Japan is worst off. "Success" means you > don't have to have nine kids to support/defend you. Horrors! We might finally develop the resources to take care of the people we already have. (I know, it's a dream, but we all need our fantasies.) > BUT - 'welfare' states DEPEND on ripping-off future gens > to support the bread and circuses for the CURRENT gens. > To fail at that is political DISASTER (broader disaster, > who cares so long as the pols are pop eh). Did you wonder > why the US (and EU) are ignoring massive illegal immigration ? > THAT is why. They need a whole new class of wage slaves to > pay TAXES to float all the "free money" stuff. Here in Canada we've gone the other way, and are trying to push immigration rates up as fast as we can. For the past 20 years or so, we've been bringing in between 200,000 and 250,000 people a year. For the last couple of years it's been over 400,000. (Multiply by 10 to scale it to U.S. levels.) Most of these people go straight to Vancouver or Toronto, both of which are becoming crowded, noisy, and among the most expensive places in the world to live. In other words, paradise for the politicians. > As for "going psycho" ... yea, it's a problem. The social/cultural > disintegration was "in-progress" (usually with Chinese backing > somewhere in there) but COVID lockdowns amplified the problem > quite abruptly. Way too many people CAN'T COPE anymore and > either go psycho or go Mad Max. Dunno if there's any real > fix beyond hard-ass fascists - and that has a lot of issues > as well. Yes, but corporate fascism seems to be gaining hold. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-08 03:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <VLacnRDiUsSfyn7-nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #36935 |
On 2/6/23 1:17 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2023-02-06, 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > >> On 2/5/23 11:34 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> The other day I went to the bank to activate a credit card, >>> since I couldn't get it to work on their web site. The clerk >>> asked me which browser I was using, pointing out that they only >>> support Edge and Chrome. When I told him I used Firefox, he >>> replied, "Never heard of it." But I got him to walk through the >>> activation procedure on his own terminal (which worked fine, of >>> course, since he was using Edge). At least I had the satisfaction >>> of wasting the bank's time rather than them wasting mine. >> >> "Never heard" of Firefox ??? Bull. It's been around >> for longer than Chrome and a LOT longer than Edge. >> It's just a dodge for an inferior web page. > > You know that. I know that. But the bank turns a blind eye - > although I'm sure that up in head office someone is rubbing > his hands with glee. I'm going to make it a policy from now > on to go to the bank and waste their time if their web site > acts up. Careful ... at some point they'll "cancel" you. >>> Oh no - M$ makes enough stupid design decisions on their own; >>> who knows what crap an AI will come up with. >> >> Doesn't matter - they'll COMPEL people to use it. They >> have the clout ... and nobody, despite all the MS BS, >> rebels. They made everybody buy newer PCs for Win-11, >> a HUGE expense, and BET they repeat that for Win-12. >> MS has clearly bought-in to the main PC makers and >> PROFIT$ when new hardware is required. Nobody blinks >> an eye. > > On the other hand, there'll be plenty of cheap hardware > available that I can run Linux on. M$ will continue its war against -IX systems. For awhile -IX will find ways to prevail, but I suspect that can't be forever. It's economics, clout, number of politicians bought ....... Linus isn't greasing lots of pols. Bill learned, he didn't. Sorry, but righteousness/reason do NOT prevail. MONEY prevails. >>> And still our governments are obsessed with increasing our >>> population as quickly as possible. What are these people going >>> to do, aside from going psychotic and shooting each other? >> >> (Western) govts HAVE A PROBLEM. Look up the fecundity >> rates. Even the USA is now below the pop replacement >> rate. I think Japan is worst off. "Success" means you >> don't have to have nine kids to support/defend you. > > Horrors! We might finally develop the resources to take care of > the people we already have. (I know, it's a dream, but we all > need our fantasies.) No, we will NOT find ways to "develop resources to take care of the people we already have" ... it's impossible. Wise up They will gear to the "new wage-slave" class. >> BUT - 'welfare' states DEPEND on ripping-off future gens >> to support the bread and circuses for the CURRENT gens. >> To fail at that is political DISASTER (broader disaster, >> who cares so long as the pols are pop eh). Did you wonder >> why the US (and EU) are ignoring massive illegal immigration ? >> THAT is why. They need a whole new class of wage slaves to >> pay TAXES to float all the "free money" stuff. > > Here in Canada we've gone the other way, and are trying to push > immigration rates up as fast as we can. For the exact reasons I've stated. > For the past 20 years > or so, we've been bringing in between 200,000 and 250,000 people > a year. For the last couple of years it's been over 400,000. > (Multiply by 10 to scale it to U.S. levels.) Most of these people > go straight to Vancouver or Toronto, both of which are becoming > crowded, noisy, and among the most expensive places in the world > to live. In other words, paradise for the politicians. Yep, paradise for pols ... but HELL for everyone else. However they WILL find angles to make it SEEM different. >> As for "going psycho" ... yea, it's a problem. The social/cultural >> disintegration was "in-progress" (usually with Chinese backing >> somewhere in there) but COVID lockdowns amplified the problem >> quite abruptly. Way too many people CAN'T COPE anymore and >> either go psycho or go Mad Max. Dunno if there's any real >> fix beyond hard-ass fascists - and that has a lot of issues >> as well. > > Yes, but corporate fascism seems to be gaining hold. "Corporate fanaticism" has been around for 150 years at least. The 1890's made it most obvious. Since then they've obscured it. Plenty of whitewash. The Wokies are, they think, anti-corporate/anti-capitalist. They don't see how they are being USED both by capitalist interests AND our enemies. Maybe they'll "get it" when they're really old, maybe, but meanwhile fanaticism blinds them. Loads of rhetoric, no wisdom, no insight, can't/won't even add up the columns of numbers. My immediate worry though is the "going psycho"/"Mad Max" angle. It seems people in western civ's just CAN'T COPE anymore. There will be many forms of "suicide" involved in this. The latest is the "Great Resignation" ... people just QUITTING - and, for the moment, finding ways for the State to support them. But that can't last long .... And AFTER ... oh wow ............. MEANWHILE, "AI" will increasingly genocide "people jobs". Let's see how those economics work out ... :-)
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| From | Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 17:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <trrvh2$37v18$1@bluemanedhawk.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #36923 |
Meh. I'm still pretty apathetic to machine learning. It's consistently less effective to brute-force solutions with ML than to determine the solutions through clever, creative, wise human thought. -- ⚗︎ | /blu.mɛin.dʰak/ | shortens to "Hawk" | he/him/his/himself/Mr. bluemanedhawk.github.io Bitches stole my whole ass ␔🭖᷿᪳𝼗᷍⏧𒒫𐻾ࣛ↉�⃣ quoted-printable, can't have shit in Thunderbird 😩
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-06 23:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <NXOdnTl4775jRHz-nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #36939 |
On 2/6/23 5:38 PM, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote: > > Meh. I'm still pretty apathetic to machine learning. It's > consistently less effective to brute-force solutions with ML than to > determine the solutions through clever, creative, wise human thought. Alas, I think that's starting to change. The "AI"s seem more savvy at "Lego" programs - taking a vague-ish description of what's needed and stacking functional modules together to achieve the effect. With 64-bit processors and loads of cheap RAM/storage that may put them over the top. Doesn't matter if it's less efficient, so long as the "AI"s are CHEAPER THAN HUMAN PROGRAMMERS WHO USE ALL THOSE TERMS NOBODY UNDERSTANDS TO THWART YOUR GOALS OF SELLING SUPERCRAPWARE AND RISING IN THE COMPANY.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-07 13:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <trtlgd$3oork$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #36942 |
26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: > On 2/6/23 5:38 PM, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote: >> >> ?Meh. I'm still pretty apathetic to machine learning. It's >> consistently less effective to brute-force solutions with ML than to >> determine the solutions through clever, creative, wise human >> thought. > > Alas, I think that's starting to change. The "AI"s seem more savvy > at "Lego" programs - taking a vague-ish description of what's > needed and stacking functional modules together to achieve the > effect. > > With 64-bit processors and loads of cheap RAM/storage that may put > them over the top. Doesn't matter if it's less efficient, so long > as the "AI"s are CHEAPER THAN HUMAN PROGRAMMERS WHO USE ALL THOSE > TERMS NOBODY UNDERSTANDS TO THWART YOUR GOALS OF SELLING > SUPERCRAPWARE AND RISING IN THE COMPANY. What is more likely to happen is the AI's will allow an entire population of people who can't create a program now (even stringing 'modules' together in Bash) to create programs. The results will likely be rough and dirty, but for those folks will mostly achieve their desired goal (provided everything aligns properly). I.e., AI will allow all the Excel jockeys to actually create more than 'Excel programs'. For the more crafted programs that do more than "abort" when their inputs don't match *exactly* their expectations, those will likely still require someone with actual programming skill to create them.
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| From | "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> |
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| Date | 2023-02-08 01:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ea2cnfgWouaM237-nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #36949 |
On 2/7/23 8:59 AM, Rich wrote: > 26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noaada.net> wrote: >> On 2/6/23 5:38 PM, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote: >>> >>> ?Meh. I'm still pretty apathetic to machine learning. It's >>> consistently less effective to brute-force solutions with ML than to >>> determine the solutions through clever, creative, wise human >>> thought. >> >> Alas, I think that's starting to change. The "AI"s seem more savvy >> at "Lego" programs - taking a vague-ish description of what's >> needed and stacking functional modules together to achieve the >> effect. >> >> With 64-bit processors and loads of cheap RAM/storage that may put >> them over the top. Doesn't matter if it's less efficient, so long >> as the "AI"s are CHEAPER THAN HUMAN PROGRAMMERS WHO USE ALL THOSE >> TERMS NOBODY UNDERSTANDS TO THWART YOUR GOALS OF SELLING >> SUPERCRAPWARE AND RISING IN THE COMPANY. > > What is more likely to happen is the AI's will allow an entire > population of people who can't create a program now (even stringing > 'modules' together in Bash) to create programs. The results will > likely be rough and dirty, but for those folks will mostly achieve > their desired goal (provided everything aligns properly). Oh, I understand (won't be TOO long before nobody does) - BUT, if SuperCrapWare is super-CHEAPWare, with no annoying and expensive humans in the loop anymore, it WILL prevail. That's economics. > I.e., AI will allow all the Excel jockeys to actually create more than > 'Excel programs'. > > For the more crafted programs that do more than "abort" when their > inputs don't match *exactly* their expectations, those will likely still > require someone with actual programming skill to create them. I think the "AI" programs are already a bit beyond such problems. It's just a matter of sticking the right "Lego" bits together. Removing expensive and annoying humans from software development is a sort of Holy Grail for the management types. They want it, the economics favor it, so it WILL BE - probably sooner than you think. BIG MONEY entities like MS/Goog are behind this 101% Ah, today, it's announced BING will be incorporating ChatGPT utility very soon. No longer JUST a "search engine", but an "engine of creation" too. This is barely a few WEEKS since the news that M$ had greatly increased its ownership in ChatGPT ..... So, what ELSE can be turned into ChatGPT "creative narratives" ??? Not just programming. I suspect it will be a major component in all the bots that replace idiot/costly human workers. The point ALWAYS ignored ... if you put all the humans out of a job, who's gonna BUY what your "AI" systems produce - from McBurgers on up ??? I have a suspicion that there's a "dead zone", a point where you CAN'T get from a human-labor economy to an "AI"-labor-based economy. Not enough human money left to push the "AI" stuff into practical existence. MIGHT be kinder-n-gentler ways around that, but real corps ain't gonna use them. Oh well, I'll get my MediCare and SS cards in just a short time. I'll be The Voting Group they all have to cater to - and yes I'm a paying AARP member. But what about the REST of you - esp the 30s/40s/50s segment ????????
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