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| Started by | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| First post | 2022-09-03 01:03 +0100 |
| Last post | 2022-09-04 14:06 +0200 |
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A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 01:03 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-09-02 20:14 -0400
Re: A small puzzle. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-09-03 11:49 +1000
Re: A small puzzle. Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-09-02 21:30 -0700
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 11:06 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-03 13:59 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 13:31 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-03 21:59 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 10:05 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-04 13:50 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 13:19 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-04 22:17 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-03 14:01 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 13:34 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-03 22:02 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-09-03 20:25 +0000
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 10:23 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-04 13:58 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-09-05 09:29 +1000
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 00:41 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2022-09-05 11:41 +1000
Re: A small puzzle. "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-09-05 00:40 -0400
Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 06:49 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-09-04 23:03 -0700
Re: A small puzzle. "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-09-05 20:00 -0400
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-06 12:50 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-06 15:24 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 08:28 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 10:38 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 11:11 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 17:54 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 17:24 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 22:13 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-06 09:04 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-09-05 22:27 +0000
Re: A small puzzle. "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-09-05 22:26 -0400
Re: A small puzzle. "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-09-05 19:58 -0400
Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 06:47 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2022-09-05 17:44 +1000
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 09:34 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 10:42 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 11:15 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 18:03 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-09-05 09:43 -0700
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 19:25 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-06 08:12 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-06 09:07 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-05 15:11 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-09-06 08:34 +1000
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-05 15:22 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 10:16 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-04 14:04 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 13:26 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-09-04 13:23 +0000
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 10:56 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202209.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2022-09-04 17:17 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-03 09:11 +0200
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 11:19 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-09-03 16:13 +0000
Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 10:04 +0100
Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-04 14:06 +0200
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| From | Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 11:41 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <631553e5@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #35572 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 05/09/2022 00:29, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> - 2FA codes for using the bank on the computer. For this, you need to >>> install the bank app on the phone, because SMSs are not considered safe >>> enough. >> >> I hope mine doesn't go that way because I'm not going to keep an >> up-to-date (it would need to be if I'm trusting apps to run >> securely) smartphone just for that. In fact they only started doing >> 2FA SMS codes this year. I had an old mobile number linked to that >> account - had to go in and sort that out in person. That account is >> only used for online payments anyway. >> >> My 'dumb' phone is only used for SMS and voice calls, and both are >> rare. It's bare-bones online functionality died ages ago when >> everything went HTTPS, and I prefer to use a landline so I don't >> give its number out unless I have no other choice. >> > You can conceal your mobile phone number. No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists on a mobile number. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 00:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0MScnXowwKkm4Ij-nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #35573 |
On 9/4/22 9:41 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 05/09/2022 00:29, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>>> - 2FA codes for using the bank on the computer. For this, you need to >>>> install the bank app on the phone, because SMSs are not considered safe >>>> enough. >>> >>> I hope mine doesn't go that way because I'm not going to keep an >>> up-to-date (it would need to be if I'm trusting apps to run >>> securely) smartphone just for that. In fact they only started doing >>> 2FA SMS codes this year. I had an old mobile number linked to that >>> account - had to go in and sort that out in person. That account is >>> only used for online payments anyway. >>> >>> My 'dumb' phone is only used for SMS and voice calls, and both are >>> rare. It's bare-bones online functionality died ages ago when >>> everything went HTTPS, and I prefer to use a landline so I don't >>> give its number out unless I have no other choice. >>> >> You can conceal your mobile phone number. > > No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not > obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's > only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a > landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists > on a mobile number. > Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice. Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them).
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 06:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tf3v5d$rjbu$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #35574 |
Am 05.09.22 um 06:40 schrieb 25B.Z969: > On 9/4/22 9:41 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not >> obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's >> only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a >> landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists >> on a mobile number. >> > > > Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice. > Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good > purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them). That is nonsense of mentally very old people unwilling to learn and accept the options of modern technology. -- Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-04 23:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <tf43g4$3g58e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35576 |
On 9/4/22 21:49, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 05.09.22 um 06:40 schrieb 25B.Z969:
>> On 9/4/22 9:41 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not
>>> obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's
>>> only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a
>>> landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists
>>> on a mobile number.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice.
>> Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good
>> purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them).
>
> That is nonsense of mentally very old people unwilling to learn and
> accept the options of modern technology.
>
He overlooks the possibility of the Phone Company
which enables his land line and I have one as well, which
uses digital equipment to enable switching and a lot more,
all of which is legally hackable with the proper warrants of
course. Nothing we say here is private and I have been
telling people that since I got BBS mediated Internet Email.
Nothing is ever finally erased until all the hard drives it
has been written to are destroyed and that will not be soon.
So if you write enough on the Internet and the Usenet your work
may persist for quite a while maybe as long as the Name of the
next quoted writer will, though you might not be as known.
"The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are
insane." (Mark Twain)
I hope this amuses someone, somewhere, some time.
bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS
the Perfect Computer Linus Operating System(for me),
and a minor case of hypergraphia.
Free Registration at very finest sort of forum.
<https://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php>
--
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| From | "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 20:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <DZ2cndAlKZUpEIv-nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #35577 |
On 9/5/22 2:03 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 9/4/22 21:49, Joerg Lorenz wrote: >> Am 05.09.22 um 06:40 schrieb 25B.Z969: >>> On 9/4/22 9:41 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not >>>> obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's >>>> only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a >>>> landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists >>>> on a mobile number. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice. >>> Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good >>> purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them). >> >> That is nonsense of mentally very old people unwilling to learn and >> accept the options of modern technology. >> > He overlooks the possibility of the Phone Company > which enables his land line and I have one as well, which > uses digital equipment to enable switching and a lot more, > all of which is legally hackable with the proper warrants of > course. Nothing we say here is private and I have been > telling people that since I got BBS mediated Internet Email. > Nothing is ever finally erased until all the hard drives it > has been written to are destroyed and that will not be soon. Let's see 'em get my bank acct/CC numbers out of my landline phone :-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-09-06 12:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <a8ljui-6ci.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #35599 |
On 2022-09-06 02:00, 25B.Z969 wrote: > On 9/5/22 2:03 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> On 9/4/22 21:49, Joerg Lorenz wrote: >>> Am 05.09.22 um 06:40 schrieb 25B.Z969: >>>> On 9/4/22 9:41 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>>> No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not >>>>> obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's >>>>> only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a >>>>> landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists >>>>> on a mobile number. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice. >>>> Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good >>>> purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them). >>> >>> That is nonsense of mentally very old people unwilling to learn and >>> accept the options of modern technology. >>> >> He overlooks the possibility of the Phone Company >> which enables his land line and I have one as well, which >> uses digital equipment to enable switching and a lot more, >> all of which is legally hackable with the proper warrants of >> course. Nothing we say here is private and I have been >> telling people that since I got BBS mediated Internet Email. >> Nothing is ever finally erased until all the hard drives it >> has been written to are destroyed and that will not be soon. > > > Let's see 'em get my bank acct/CC numbers out of my > landline phone :-) So what? That number is almost public, they can do nothing with it. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-09-06 15:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tf7hn2$umv7$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #35604 |
Am 06.09.22 um 12:50 schrieb Carlos E.R.: > On 2022-09-06 02:00, 25B.Z969 wrote: >> Let's see 'em get my bank acct/CC numbers out of my >> landline phone :-) > > So what? That number is almost public, they can do nothing with it. +1 -- Ex iniuria ius non oritur
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 08:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <tf48en$3gu2m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35576 |
On 05/09/2022 05:49, Joerg Lorenz wrote: > Am 05.09.22 um 06:40 schrieb 25B.Z969: >> On 9/4/22 9:41 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not >>> obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's >>> only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a >>> landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists >>> on a mobile number. >>> >> >> >> Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice. >> Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good >> purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them). > > That is nonsense of mentally very old people unwilling to learn and > accept the options of modern technology. > One day you will be very old yourself, and your words will come back to haunt you. Or renewable energy will cause your grid to fail, and you will realise the advantages of a bank, in the town, with a manager who knows you, and cash in a till, over a computer system that no longer works. -- "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is true: it is true because it is powerful." Lucas Bergkamp
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 10:38 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tf4ci8$srg3$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #35578 |
Am 05.09.22 um 09:28 schrieb The Natural Philosopher: > On 05/09/2022 05:49, Joerg Lorenz wrote: >> Am 05.09.22 um 06:40 schrieb 25B.Z969: >>> Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice. >>> Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good >>> purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them). >> >> That is nonsense of mentally very old people unwilling to learn and >> accept the options of modern technology. >> > One day you will be very old yourself, and your words will come back to > haunt you. No they won't. I'm already a senior citizen. I t is my philosophy to always maximize the benefit technological and social development offer me. And I do not believe in funny figures like "god". I strongly believe in the power my brain. > Or renewable energy will cause your grid to fail, and you will realise > the advantages of a bank, in the town, with a manager who knows you, and > cash in a till, over a computer system that no longer works. They will give you not one single cent. Your manager will shoot at you when you approach the bank's door in such a case. Your unqualified statement about renewable energy says a lot about you. You must be one of these "trumpists". -- Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 11:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <tf4i06$3hv0m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35581 |
On 05/09/2022 09:38, Joerg Lorenz wrote: > Am 05.09.22 um 09:28 schrieb The Natural Philosopher: >> On 05/09/2022 05:49, Joerg Lorenz wrote: >>> Am 05.09.22 um 06:40 schrieb 25B.Z969: >>>> Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice. >>>> Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good >>>> purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them). >>> >>> That is nonsense of mentally very old people unwilling to learn and >>> accept the options of modern technology. >>> >> One day you will be very old yourself, and your words will come back to >> haunt you. > > No they won't. I'm already a senior citizen. I t is my philosophy to > always maximize the benefit technological and social development offer > me. And I do not believe in funny figures like "god". I strongly believe > in the power my brain. > >> Or renewable energy will cause your grid to fail, and you will realise >> the advantages of a bank, in the town, with a manager who knows you, and >> cash in a till, over a computer system that no longer works. > > They will give you not one single cent. Your manager will shoot at you > when you approach the bank's door in such a case. > > Your unqualified statement about renewable energy says a lot about you. > You must be one of these "trumpists". > > No, I am a highly qualified UK electrical engineer. I have done the research, and the sums. If you haven't, refrain from assuming an experts knowledge is political partisanship. -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage."
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 17:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tf5646$s8f9$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #35583 |
Am 05.09.22 um 12:11 schrieb The Natural Philosopher: > On 05/09/2022 09:38, Joerg Lorenz wrote: >> Your unqualified statement about renewable energy says a lot about you. >> You must be one of these "trumpists". >> >> > No, I am a highly qualified UK electrical engineer. > > I have done the research, and the sums. > If you haven't, refrain from assuming an experts knowledge is political > partisanship. You certainly have no up to date expert knowledge on renewables. In today's world of continent-wide grids even wind-energy is categorised as base band energy, dear. Without renewables your grand-children will have non future. It is very simple. -- Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 17:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <tf57r6$3kfko$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35590 |
On 05/09/2022 16:54, Joerg Lorenz wrote: > Am 05.09.22 um 12:11 schrieb The Natural Philosopher: >> On 05/09/2022 09:38, Joerg Lorenz wrote: >>> Your unqualified statement about renewable energy says a lot about you. >>> You must be one of these "trumpists". >>> >>> >> No, I am a highly qualified UK electrical engineer. >> >> I have done the research, and the sums. >> If you haven't, refrain from assuming an experts knowledge is political >> partisanship. > > You certainly have no up to date expert knowledge on renewables. In > today's world of continent-wide grids even wind-energy is categorised as > base band energy, dear. You certainly have no up to date expert knowledge on renewables. Whatever wind energy is claimed to be, I know what it actually is. A museum piece. I dont need to refer to an authority, I am an authority. > > Without renewables your grand-children will have non future. It is very > simple. > > With renewables your grandchildren have no future It is very simple. In ten years no more renewable energy will be deployed anywhere. Wait and see. I am not interested in your religion -- "The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll look exactly the same afterwards." Billy Connolly
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 22:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tf5l8n$sgu9$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #35592 |
Am 05.09.22 um 18:24 schrieb The Natural Philosopher: > You certainly have no up to date expert knowledge on renewables. > Whatever wind energy is claimed to be, I know what it actually is. > A museum piece. > > I dont need to refer to an authority, I am an authority. Usually I pl.nk silently ... -- Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-09-06 09:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <tf6uva$3s0bn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35595 |
On 05/09/2022 21:13, Joerg Lorenz wrote: > Am 05.09.22 um 18:24 schrieb The Natural Philosopher: >> You certainly have no up to date expert knowledge on renewables. >> Whatever wind energy is claimed to be, I know what it actually is. >> A museum piece. >> >> I dont need to refer to an authority, I am an authority. > > Usually I pl.nk silently ... > > In denial of the truth -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 22:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9JuRK.308330$6Il8.82963@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #35581 |
On 2022-09-05, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote: > Am 05.09.22 um 09:28 schrieb The Natural Philosopher: > >> On 05/09/2022 05:49, Joerg Lorenz wrote: >> >>> Am 05.09.22 um 06:40 schrieb 25B.Z969: >>>> Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice. >>>> Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good >>>> purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them). >>> >>> That is nonsense of mentally very old people unwilling to learn and >>> accept the options of modern technology. >> >> One day you will be very old yourself, and your words will come back to >> haunt you. > > No they won't. I'm already a senior citizen. I t is my philosophy to > always maximize the benefit technological and social development offer > me. Mine too. And the overly-complicated and difficult-to-use mechanisms offered by modern technology do not benefit me - so I refuse to use them. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 22:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1KGdnfxfmONNMov-nZ2dnZfqnPvNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #35596 |
On 9/5/22 6:27 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2022-09-05, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote: > >> Am 05.09.22 um 09:28 schrieb The Natural Philosopher: >> >>> On 05/09/2022 05:49, Joerg Lorenz wrote: >>> >>>> Am 05.09.22 um 06:40 schrieb 25B.Z969: >>>>> Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice. >>>>> Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good >>>>> purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them). >>>> >>>> That is nonsense of mentally very old people unwilling to learn and >>>> accept the options of modern technology. >>> >>> One day you will be very old yourself, and your words will come back to >>> haunt you. >> >> No they won't. I'm already a senior citizen. I t is my philosophy to >> always maximize the benefit technological and social development offer >> me. > > Mine too. And the overly-complicated and difficult-to-use > mechanisms offered by modern technology do not benefit me - > so I refuse to use them. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/05/thieves-break-womans-phone-go-whistle-stop-spree-raiding-gym/ A woman has revealed how thieves broke into her phone and spent thousands of pounds after raiding her locker at the gym. Charlotte, from west London, said that on August 24 thieves broke into her locker at the Virgin Active gym in Chiswick and stole all of her belongings after breaking into her padlocked locker, including her bank card and phone, before draining more than £8,000 from her accounts. While she believes they accessed her card’s Pin through the mobile banking app, Santander accused her of sharing her bank details with friends or even writing them on the card itself. The thieves reset Charlotte’s bank details as well as her Apple Pay security before going on what she described as a “whistle-stop spree”. They spent more than £3,000 in the Apple Store in White City followed by further purchases at the Regent Street branch. . . . Just ONE story ...... Yea, banking with your 'smart'-phone is SO great .... Brick-n-mortar banks, human employees that know your face and way of doing things, slips of paper ..... MUCH harder for "Them" to get into. Modern tech CAN be just great - but KNOW it's limits, KNOW it's weak points. As often as possible I still buy gas by paying IN CASH. Way WAY too many 'card skimmers' in gas pumps these days. Who's responsibility ? They'll all deny. CC company says they'll forgive all ? Nope. "PROVE you weren't in Kathmandu this morning !" is not above them. The tighter the economy becomes, the more you'll see such testiness. I can support going back to transactions in GOLD. Envision something about the size of a PEZ dispenser or BIC lighter ... but it contains a roll of 0.025" 24 karat stuck to a backing for strength. Top off yer SUV, one inch please. X-ray florescence devices that can qualify metals down to a percent or so are relatively cheap these days - no cheating, no counterfeiting, no account numbers, no paper-trails, no bullshit. It's a system that's extremely hard to game on any useful scale.
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| From | "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 19:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <DZ2cndElKZXPEIv-nZ2dnZfqn_vNnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #35576 |
On 9/5/22 12:49 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote: > Am 05.09.22 um 06:40 schrieb 25B.Z969: >> On 9/4/22 9:41 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not >>> obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's >>> only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a >>> landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists >>> on a mobile number. >>> >> >> >> Wise ... limit the mobile to where there's no other choice. >> Olde-fashioned landlines/answer-machines DO serve a good >> purpose (and nobody can hack your info our of them). > > That is nonsense of mentally very old people unwilling to learn and > accept the options of modern technology. HaHaHaHaHaHaHa ! Did you do your CRITICAL UPDATES to your iPhone/tabs last week ? HOW LONG had the problems been there before Apple bothered to mention it ? Just spy/mal-ware issue #9999 ...... Oh yea, I bank AT A BANK with slips of PAPER in front of PEOPLE who know me :-)
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| From | Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 06:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tf3v0g$rjbu$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #35573 |
Am 05.09.22 um 03:41 schrieb Computer Nerd Kev: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> You can conceal your mobile phone number. > > No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not > obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's > only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a > landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists > on a mobile number. Where do you live? In Switzerland 2FA via SMS for internet banking was abolished roughly 4 years ago for security reasons. Today a smart phone is needed that allows to scan a complex optical pattern created and valid only for a very short period of time. -- Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)
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| From | Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 17:44 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <6315a8ca@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #35575 |
Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote: > Am 05.09.22 um 03:41 schrieb Computer Nerd Kev: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> You can conceal your mobile phone number. >> >> No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not >> obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's >> only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a >> landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists >> on a mobile number. > > Where do you live? Australia. > In Switzerland 2FA via SMS for internet banking was abolished roughly 4 > years ago for security reasons. Today a smart phone is needed that > allows to scan a complex optical pattern created and valid only for a > very short period of time. That's surprising. But my bank only started requiring 2FA for transactions this year (I don't know whether it was an option previously), so hopefully that's still some way off. The account only briefly holds enough money to pay for each purchase I make so I'd personally be happy with 1FA for that. My accounts for keeping money long-term are offline-only, and in fact they're with a different bank. I don't really trust online banking no matter how many "factors" they require for authentication. That said, I did drop the folder with all my banking details inside on the way back to the car a few months ago, and didn't realise until I got home (15min drive away). No sign of it when I went back, but fortunately someone handed it in a few days later. So I can't pretend that in-person banking is fool-proof either. There's only so much someone could have done with it without any ID though. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-09-05 09:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <tf4c9s$3hbhd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #35579 |
On 05/09/2022 08:44, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote: >> Am 05.09.22 um 03:41 schrieb Computer Nerd Kev: >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> You can conceal your mobile phone number. >>> >>> No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not >>> obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's >>> only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a >>> landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists >>> on a mobile number. >> >> Where do you live? > > Australia. > >> In Switzerland 2FA via SMS for internet banking was abolished roughly 4 >> years ago for security reasons. Today a smart phone is needed that >> allows to scan a complex optical pattern created and valid only for a >> very short period of time. > > That's surprising. But my bank only started requiring 2FA for > transactions this year (I don't know whether it was an option > previously), so hopefully that's still some way off. > > The account only briefly holds enough money to pay for each > purchase I make so I'd personally be happy with 1FA for that. > My accounts for keeping money long-term are offline-only, and in > fact they're with a different bank. I don't really trust online > banking no matter how many "factors" they require for > authentication. > > That said, I did drop the folder with all my banking details inside > on the way back to the car a few months ago, and didn't realise > until I got home (15min drive away). No sign of it when I went > back, but fortunately someone handed it in a few days later. So I > can't pretend that in-person banking is fool-proof either. There's > only so much someone could have done with it without any ID though. > Sometimes I think that Joseph Tainter's 'The Collapse of Complex Civilisations' is. like '1984', being used as a text book, rather than a warning. In particular (and sorry for wandering way off the remit of the NG) everyone should consider what the effect on their nation would be if a complete power cut happened, and just how fast (urban) populations would die if it did. -- Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people. But Marxism is the crack cocaine.
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