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  What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-18 19:16 -0700
    Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2011-04-19 02:42 +0000
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-18 19:51 -0700
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2011-04-19 04:27 +0000
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-18 21:44 -0700
            Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Kevin Snodgrass <kdsnodgrass@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-20 03:11 +0000
              Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-20 10:56 -0700
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? goarilla <kevin.paulus@mtm.DOTremove-thisDOT.kuleuven.DOTbe.invalid> - 2011-04-29 11:46 +0000
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-18 19:52 -0700
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-04-19 03:45 +0000
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-18 21:04 -0700
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2011-04-18 23:39 -0400
    Re: What kinds of business use Linux? ray <ray@zianet.com> - 2011-04-19 02:53 +0000
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-18 20:25 -0700
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-04-18 23:05 -0500
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-18 21:20 -0700
            Re: What kinds of business use Linux? notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-04-19 14:11 +0000
              Re: What kinds of business use Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-04-19 15:23 +0100
                Re: What kinds of business use Linux? notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-04-19 15:02 +0000
                Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-19 11:11 -0700
                  Re: What kinds of business use Linux? notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-04-19 18:54 +0000
                  Re: What kinds of business use Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-04-19 22:20 +0100
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2011-04-19 04:18 +0000
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Loki Harfagr <l0k1@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID> - 2011-04-19 10:03 +0000
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Tim Watts <tw@dionic.net> - 2011-04-19 07:09 +0100
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-19 11:15 -0700
            Re: What kinds of business use Linux? notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-04-19 18:57 +0000
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-04-18 22:48 -0500
    Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-04-18 22:48 -0500
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-18 21:00 -0700
    Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Tim Watts <tw@dionic.net> - 2011-04-19 07:02 +0100
    Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2011-04-19 14:37 +0000
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-19 11:16 -0700
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2011-04-19 19:25 +0000
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-04-19 15:55 -0500
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-20 10:58 -0700
    Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Stan Bischof <stan@worldbadminton.com> - 2011-04-19 16:12 +0000
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-04-19 16:58 +0000
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-04-19 18:52 +0100
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-04-19 18:53 +0000
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-19 11:22 -0700
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Loki Harfagr <l0k1@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID> - 2011-04-19 18:36 +0000
            Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-19 12:24 -0700
              Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Loki Harfagr <l0k1@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID> - 2011-04-20 10:02 +0000
                Re: What kinds of business use Linux? notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-04-20 12:52 +0000
                  Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Loki Harfagr <l0k1@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID> - 2011-04-20 16:57 +0000
                Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-20 11:05 -0700
                  Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Bud <Bud@bud.invalid.msn.com> - 2011-04-20 21:23 +0000
                    Re: What kinds of business use Linux? notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-04-20 21:25 +0000
                      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-04-20 18:51 -0500
                      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Bud <Bud@bud.invalid.msn.com> - 2011-04-21 20:25 +0000
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-19 11:18 -0700
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-04-19 15:55 -0500
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-20 11:07 -0700
    Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2011-04-19 17:14 +0000
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-04-19 18:53 +0100
    Re: What kinds of business use Linux? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2011-04-21 12:17 -0400
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-21 11:31 -0700
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> - 2011-04-21 18:37 +0000
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-21 12:27 -0700
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2011-04-21 18:01 -0400
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-04-22 17:43 +0100
            Re: What kinds of business use Linux? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2011-04-22 21:27 -0400
          Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-22 12:33 -0700
            Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-04-22 15:59 -0500
              Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-22 14:45 -0700
                Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2011-04-22 19:50 -0500
    Re: What kinds of business use Linux? William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2011-04-22 12:50 +0100
      Re: What kinds of business use Linux? Todd <Todd@invalid.com> - 2011-04-22 13:15 -0700
        Re: What kinds of business use Linux? William Poaster <wp@induh-vidual.net> - 2011-04-23 11:07 +0100

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#828

On 04/19/2011 09:58 AM, notbob wrote:
>> Very few end users choose an OS ( or care anything about it )
>> >  but rather choose tools and those tend to dictate the OS.

> Nonsense.  Braindead managers pick OSs and software with no more clue
> than a cow in a pasture.
>

Actually, I tell my customers to find the software they need
and then find what to run it on.  Never buy a computer
and then search for what to run it on.  And, you are correct,
I do not get listened to a lot.  They tend to run down to
Costco and purchase a bunch of $400.00 Vista homed edition
computers and expect me to turn a sows ear into a silk purse.

-T

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#829

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:22:21 -0700, Todd did cat :

> On 04/19/2011 09:58 AM, notbob wrote:
>>> Very few end users choose an OS ( or care anything about it )
>>> >  but rather choose tools and those tend to dictate the OS.
> 
>> Nonsense.  Braindead managers pick OSs and software with no more clue
>> than a cow in a pasture.
>>
>>
> Actually, I tell my customers to find the software they need and then
> find what to run it on.  Never buy a computer and then search for what
> to run it on.  And, you are correct, I do not get listened to a lot. 
> They tend to run down to Costco and purchase a bunch of $400.00 Vista
> homed edition computers and expect me to turn a sows ear into a silk
> purse.

Use the same ideas as MS did, accept these Vista homed PCs and
repair them with your finely prepared Linux install, then pretend
it still is what they had but after the securization repairs and
upgrades. If needed, change the initial bootload screens and
backgrounds to the kind of luna pix they're accustomed to.
 At the time one in their band would have lift enough a lid of an
eyebrow and have had an idea that they were framed it'll be too
late as they'll be addicted to effectively working solutions.

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#833

On 04/19/2011 11:36 AM, Loki Harfagr wrote:
> Use the same ideas as MS did, accept these Vista homed PCs and
> repair them with your finely prepared Linux install, then pretend
> it still is what they had but after the securization repairs and
> upgrades. If needed, change the initial bootload screens and
> backgrounds to the kind of luna pix they're accustomed to.
>   At the time one in their band would have lift enough a lid of an
> eyebrow and have had an idea that they were framed it'll be too

That would get me in a lot of trouble, especially when iTunes did
not work.

Did something similar with Firefox.  A company had me switch them
over from security hazard Internet Explorer (IE) to Firefox.
Had one user get in my face about it, so I made him up a second
Firefox icon with the blue IE "E" icon.  Mind you the writing under
the icon still said Firefox.  Next time I saw the guy, he got in my
face again and proved to me that he could still do everything he
wanted with IE.  Guess which icon he clicked on.  I almost split a
rib trying to keep from laughing.

-T

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#846

Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:24:44 -0700, Todd did cat :

> On 04/19/2011 11:36 AM, Loki Harfagr wrote:
>> Use the same ideas as MS did, accept these Vista homed PCs and repair
>> them with your finely prepared Linux install, then pretend it still is
>> what they had but after the securization repairs and upgrades. If
>> needed, change the initial bootload screens and backgrounds to the kind
>> of luna pix they're accustomed to.
>>   At the time one in their band would have lift enough a lid of an
>> eyebrow and have had an idea that they were framed it'll be too
> 
> That would get me in a lot of trouble, especially when iTunes did not
> work.

isn't that iTunes something similar to Clementine or Amarok for instance
(there are other collection tools like these but as I loathe this kind of
people leveller roller coaster masqueraded in friendly fluffy playmobil
"make a TV star fast" box I'm not specialist in which is less useless)?

> 
> Did something similar with Firefox.  A company had me switch them over
> from security hazard Internet Explorer (IE) to Firefox. Had one user get
> in my face about it, so I made him up a second Firefox icon with the
> blue IE "E" icon.  Mind you the writing under the icon still said
> Firefox.  Next time I saw the guy, he got in my face again and proved to
> me that he could still do everything he wanted with IE.  Guess which
> icon he clicked on.  I almost split a rib trying to keep from laughing.

There are zillion untold (as some lusers could be lurkers) stories like these
and please note that it is no cheating at all since it is the maket model
tought to the world by hi-finance and big mocks like MS.
Give the people the stuff they were told they wanted to want, give them the
pix and icons as they like (for the really stubborn cases simply use KDE or
even a windows caged in a virtual farm you'll manage, after all Cloud computing
is the next big bad mistake but some fools simply deserve it)
Meanwhile try to educate the undead as we'll need some if the world and the IT
world finally escape from the braindead whirlpool ;-)

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#847

On 2011-04-20, Loki Harfagr <l0k1@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID> wrote:

> is the next big bad mistake but some fools simply deserve it)
> Meanwhile try to educate the undead as we'll need some if the world and the IT
> world finally escape from the braindead whirlpool ;-)

Dang, Loki!  I actually understood that post.  You in therapy?  ;)

nb

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#849

Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:52:51 +0000, notbob did cat :

> On 2011-04-20, Loki Harfagr <l0k1@thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID> wrote:
> 
>> is the next big bad mistake but some fools simply deserve it) Meanwhile
>> try to educate the undead as we'll need some if the world and the IT
>> world finally escape from the braindead whirlpool ;-)
> 
> Dang, Loki!  I actually understood that post.  You in therapy?  ;)
> 
> nb

nope notbob, but if I were you I'd really take care as most of your
last days posts were perfectly understandable on this side too ;-)

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#852

On 04/20/2011 03:02 AM, Loki Harfagr wrote:
> isn't that iTunes something similar to Clementine or Amarok for instance
> (there are other collection tools like these but as I loathe this kind of
> people leveller roller coaster masqueraded in friendly fluffy playmobil
> "make a TV star fast" box I'm not specialist in which is less useless)?

There are players, but none can purchase tunes from the
iTunes store.  Apple actually screws with any other
services that tries to use the iTunes store, making
sure iTunes is the only service that can be used.
It is a Linux killer.  Apple sees Linux as its main
competitor.  (If you have ever worked on Apples
and you are Linux literate, you will understand why.
Apple is a joke.  And the bugs will drive you nuts.)

On the other hand, I use Amazon to download my tunes,
but very, very few users are capable of this.  File
system?  It has to be all automated for them, as
in iTunes.

My best shot for Linux work is businesses in
their back office.

-T

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#855

On 2011-04-20, Todd wrote:
>
> On the other hand, I use Amazon to download my tunes,
> but very, very few users are capable of this.  File
> system?  It has to be all automated for them, as
> in iTunes.
>
> My best shot for Linux work is businesses in
> their back office.
>
> -T

Hmmm. Never buy iTunes who needs them when the public library has them and 
you can use a Linux program to convert them to your own disk, mp3 or ogg 
and etc. Take a CD and show 'em.
-- 
Bud

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#856

On 2011-04-20, Bud <Bud@bud.invalid.msn.com> wrote:

> and etc. Take a CD and show 'em.

Jes don't get caught.  Some libraries ban you for even murmering
"linux" under your breath.  ;)

nb

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#857

At 20 Apr 2011 21:25:47 GMT notbob <notbob@notbob.invalid> wrote:

> 
> On 2011-04-20, Bud <Bud@bud.invalid.msn.com> wrote:
> 
> > and etc. Take a CD and show 'em.
> 
> Jes don't get caught.  Some libraries ban you for even murmering
> "linux" under your breath.  ;)

Not the Wendell Free Library...

> 
> nb
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#868

On 2011-04-20, notbob wrote:
>
> Jes don't get caught.  Some libraries ban you for even murmering
> "linux" under your breath.  ;)
>
> nb

Nah, I took them a bunch Linux CDs and a few DVDs to lend out, if they 
would,
-- 
Bud

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#827

On 04/19/2011 09:12 AM, Stan Bischof wrote:
> So in answer to your query- look for businesses with server
> farms and not a lot of desktops. ISP's come to mind, certainly
> "dot com" folks.
>

Look for businesses with lots of servers makes sense.  Most
have their own staff.  Maybe I should look for a business
with "several" servers that can not afford a "staff".

Thank you!

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#837

At Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:18:49 -0700 Todd <Todd@invalid.com> wrote:

> 
> On 04/19/2011 09:12 AM, Stan Bischof wrote:
> > So in answer to your query- look for businesses with server
> > farms and not a lot of desktops. ISP's come to mind, certainly
> > "dot com" folks.
> >
> 
> Look for businesses with lots of servers makes sense.  Most
> have their own staff.  Maybe I should look for a business
> with "several" servers that can not afford a "staff".

More likely a business that only has 1 server that does not need a full
time staff, partitularly a business NOT in some sort of IT business
itself.  Any business with "several" servers might be big enough to
support a single full-time system admin.  More than likely an ISP will
have nothing but system admin(s).

> 
> Thank you!
>                                                                                                                   

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#853

On 04/19/2011 01:55 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> More likely a business that only has 1 server that does not need a full
> time staff, partitularly a business NOT in some sort of IT business
> itself.  Any business with "several" servers might be big enough to
> support a single full-time system admin.  More than likely an ISP will
> have nothing but system admin(s).

So look for the "size" of the business and not necessarily
what they do.

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#821

On 18 Apr 2011 in comp.os.linux.misc, Todd wrote:

> This may seems like a weird question, when I am sifting
> through my lists of businesses, does anyone have an tips
> as to what kinds of businesses use Linux?

My local supermarket chain has coupon-printing kiosks at the front of 
their stores.  These kiosks run some variant of *n*x.

-- 
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#823

Joe Makowiec wrote:
> On 18 Apr 2011 in comp.os.linux.misc, Todd wrote:
> 
>> This may seems like a weird question, when I am sifting
>> through my lists of businesses, does anyone have an tips
>> as to what kinds of businesses use Linux?
> 
> My local supermarket chain has coupon-printing kiosks at the front of 
> their stores.  These kiosks run some variant of *n*x.
> 
That's key: when its central IT driving the project and its severely 
limited in scope. That's what you will get.

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#864

On 04/18/2011 10:16 PM, Todd wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am a consultant who only works in two counties.
> I am currently working my way out of two jobs,
> which is normal. Also means I have to do some
> cold calling, also normal. And to facilitate
> that, I have made up a database of local businesses.
> I work both Linux and Windows. (The occasional Apple
> too, but you did not hear me say that.)
>
> I really do not feel like the *aggravation* of having
> to maintain any more Windows installations: low quality
> software that almost works and has to be fussed with
> 20 times more than a Linux installation. And customer
> who are never very happy with the way things mostly work.
>
> This may seems like a weird question, when I am sifting
> through my lists of businesses, does anyone have an tips
> as to what kinds of businesses use Linux? I would
> like to directly target those kinds of businesses
> before settling from more Windows work.
>
> Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Many thanks,
> -T

Sorry, can't help you much. I run my business on Linux, but I'm a farmer 
and something of an oddball. I provide all my own support. When it comes 
to IT stuff, if I can't do it myself it won't get done.

<Shrug.> I couldn't afford a consultant if I wanted one, anyway.

I will tell you that I use The Gimp to prepare a color-coded map of the 
crops I plant, overlaid on a satellite photo of the farm. I need to 
supply the USDA with this information to assure them I qualify for 
various programs. The guys in the USDA office say that my map is the 
best, easiest to read one they get, and that includes some prepared with 
expensive Windows software.

TJ
TJ

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#865

On 04/21/2011 09:17 AM, TJ wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 10:16 PM, Todd wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am a consultant who only works in two counties.
>> I am currently working my way out of two jobs,
>> which is normal. Also means I have to do some
>> cold calling, also normal. And to facilitate
>> that, I have made up a database of local businesses.
>> I work both Linux and Windows. (The occasional Apple
>> too, but you did not hear me say that.)
>>
>> I really do not feel like the *aggravation* of having
>> to maintain any more Windows installations: low quality
>> software that almost works and has to be fussed with
>> 20 times more than a Linux installation. And customer
>> who are never very happy with the way things mostly work.
>>
>> This may seems like a weird question, when I am sifting
>> through my lists of businesses, does anyone have an tips
>> as to what kinds of businesses use Linux? I would
>> like to directly target those kinds of businesses
>> before settling from more Windows work.
>>
>> Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>
> Sorry, can't help you much. I run my business on Linux, but I'm a farmer
> and something of an oddball. I provide all my own support. When it comes
> to IT stuff, if I can't do it myself it won't get done.
>
> <Shrug.> I couldn't afford a consultant if I wanted one, anyway.
>
> I will tell you that I use The Gimp to prepare a color-coded map of the
> crops I plant, overlaid on a satellite photo of the farm. I need to
> supply the USDA with this information to assure them I qualify for
> various programs. The guys in the USDA office say that my map is the
> best, easiest to read one they get, and that includes some prepared with
> expensive Windows software.
>
> TJ

Hi TJ,

    You are truly unusual.  The farmers and ranchers out here refuse
to use computers.  Plus, if you have mastered GIMP, you are got me
bested but good!

    Do you do your accounting on Linux?  and, if so, what program(s)
are you using?

-T

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#866

On 2011-04-21, Todd <Todd@invalid.com> wrote:

>     Do you do your accounting on Linux?  and, if so, what program(s)
> are you using?

I say you'd better learn how to use your browser and a search engine
before you start trying to convince ppl yer gonna help them with
linux.

http://tinyurl.com/3bhgu4p

nb

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#867

On 04/21/2011 11:37 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2011-04-21, Todd<Todd@invalid.com>  wrote:
>
>>      Do you do your accounting on Linux?  and, if so, what program(s)
>> are you using?
>
> I say you'd better learn how to use your browser and a search engine
> before you start trying to convince ppl yer gonna help them with
> linux.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3bhgu4p
>
> nb

NotBob,

How is Google going to tell me what TJ is running for
accounting software?  My question was as to what he was
using as he has special circumstances.  Google would
tell me what everyone else was running.  And that is
a different question.  Maybe I misunderstand you.

-T

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