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  Distro tries to set up own partition vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2023-03-23 20:09 +0000
    Re: Distro tries to set up own partition vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2023-03-23 20:15 +0000
    Re: Distro tries to set up own partition Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-03-23 13:55 -0700
      Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "24E.X756" <24E.X756@noq21u.net> - 2023-03-23 21:46 -0400
        Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-24 08:44 +0100
          Re: Distro tries to set up own partition vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2023-03-24 20:27 +0000
            Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-24 23:48 -0400
            Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-25 12:30 +0100
              Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-26 00:52 -0400
                Re: Distro tries to set up own partition jeshgrca <jeshgrca@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 08:35 -0500
                  Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-26 18:50 +0200
                    Re: Distro tries to set up own partition jeshgrca <jeshgrca@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 14:07 -0500
                Re: Distro tries to set up own partition Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-03-26 08:01 -0700
                Re: Distro tries to set up own partition Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-03-26 16:08 +0000
                  Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-26 20:14 -0400
                    Re: Distro tries to set up own partition Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-03-27 01:24 +0000
                      Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-26 23:34 -0400
                        Re: Distro tries to set up own partition Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-03-27 06:59 +0000
                          Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-28 00:03 -0400
                            Re: Distro tries to set up own partition Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-03-28 16:52 +0000
                              Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-28 22:31 -0400
                      Re: Distro tries to set up own partition The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-27 13:27 +0100
                        Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-28 00:08 -0400
                          Re: Distro tries to set up own partition Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-03-28 17:03 +0000
                            Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-28 22:46 -0400
        Re: Distro tries to set up own partition Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 11:21 -0400
          Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-25 00:20 -0400
            Re: Distro tries to set up own partition Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-03-25 11:47 -0400
              Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-26 00:46 -0400
    Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "Nuno Silva" <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-24 07:38 +0000
      Re: Distro tries to set up own partition vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2023-03-24 20:25 +0000
        Re: Distro tries to set up own partition "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-25 00:48 -0400
    Re: Distro tries to set up own partition vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2023-03-27 18:41 +0000
      Re: Distro tries to set up own partition Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-03-27 11:53 -0700

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#37598 — Distro tries to set up own partition

CAE Linux Lite works on the machine I couldn't load Quantian on,
however it ignores my sda5 10MB linux partition and tries to use my sda7 data
partiton, dividing it into a linux sda7 and data sda8.

SHould I totally delete my extended (linux, swap, data) partiton, tkae the
opportunity to slightly enlarge windows and then let it shape the remaining
disk to its pleasure?

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	 Vasos Panagiotopoulos  panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
  ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice.  Everything fully disclaimed.}---

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#37599

Also it views my MSDOS partition sda1 as if it was the XP partition (which is xda2)

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	 Vasos Panagiotopoulos  panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
  ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice.  Everything fully disclaimed.}---

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#37600

On 3/23/23 13:09, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> CAE Linux Lite works on the machine I couldn't load Quantian on,
> however it ignores my sda5 10MB linux partition and tries to use my sda7 data
> partiton, dividing it into a linux sda7 and data sda8.


10 MB is too small.  10 GB might be to small.  Why don't you go to the 
site and see what is recommended.

Also how are you trying to install and why are you using that method?

Did you remember to runch

> 
> SHould I totally delete my extended (linux, swap, data) partiton, tkae the
> opportunity to slightly enlarge windows and then let it shape the remaining
> disk to its pleasure?
> 

On 3/23/23 13:15, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
 > Also it views my MSDOS partition sda1 as if it was the XP partition 
(which is xda2)

	Really what does a Live Linux distribution using modern tools like 
GPartEd tell you about your equipment.  If you have enough
CPU speed and enough memory you should be running everything MS-DOS
Windows, in a GNU/Linux emulation software like VirtualBox and their
are specific DOS emulators.  Maybe you could do that with CAE Linux.
I never neard of it before I looked it up I could reply to you.
Probably a good choice.  See if it will play nice with VB or one of
the other emulations wares.

	Good luck!
	bliss


-- 
bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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#37602

On 3/23/23 4:55 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 3/23/23 13:09, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>> CAE Linux Lite works on the machine I couldn't load Quantian on,
>> however it ignores my sda5 10MB linux partition and tries to use my 
>> sda7 data
>> partiton, dividing it into a linux sda7 and data sda8.
> 
> 
> 10 MB is too small.  10 GB might be to small.  Why don't you go to the 
> site and see what is recommended.
> 
> Also how are you trying to install and why are you using that method?
> 
> Did you remember to runch
> 
>>
>> SHould I totally delete my extended (linux, swap, data) partiton, tkae 
>> the
>> opportunity to slightly enlarge windows and then let it shape the 
>> remaining
>> disk to its pleasure?
>>
> 
> On 3/23/23 13:15, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>  > Also it views my MSDOS partition sda1 as if it was the XP partition 
> (which is xda2)
> 
>      Really what does a Live Linux distribution using modern tools like 
> GPartEd tell you about your equipment.  If you have enough
> CPU speed and enough memory you should be running everything MS-DOS
> Windows, in a GNU/Linux emulation software like VirtualBox and their
> are specific DOS emulators.  Maybe you could do that with CAE Linux.
> I never neard of it before I looked it up I could reply to you.
> Probably a good choice.  See if it will play nice with VB or one of
> the other emulations wares.

   Hmmmm ... what if he makes like a 10gb empty space on his
   disk and then uses gparted to copy the CD and paste it
   into the empty space ? Then run update-grub and see what
   it comes up with ????

   'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
   sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.

   I still think VirtualBox is by far his best option. It
   WILL run an iso image.

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#37605

On 2023-03-24 02:46, 24E.X756 wrote:
> On 3/23/23 4:55 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 3/23/23 13:09, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>> CAE Linux Lite works on the machine I couldn't load Quantian on,
>>> however it ignores my sda5 10MB linux partition and tries to use my 
>>> sda7 data
>>> partiton, dividing it into a linux sda7 and data sda8.
>>
>>
>> 10 MB is too small.  10 GB might be to small.  Why don't you go to the 
>> site and see what is recommended.
>>
>> Also how are you trying to install and why are you using that method?
>>
>> Did you remember to runch
>>
>>>
>>> SHould I totally delete my extended (linux, swap, data) partiton, 
>>> tkae the
>>> opportunity to slightly enlarge windows and then let it shape the 
>>> remaining
>>> disk to its pleasure?
>>>
>>
>> On 3/23/23 13:15, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>  > Also it views my MSDOS partition sda1 as if it was the XP partition 
>> (which is xda2)
>>
>>      Really what does a Live Linux distribution using modern tools 
>> like GPartEd tell you about your equipment.  If you have enough
>> CPU speed and enough memory you should be running everything MS-DOS
>> Windows, in a GNU/Linux emulation software like VirtualBox and their
>> are specific DOS emulators.  Maybe you could do that with CAE Linux.
>> I never neard of it before I looked it up I could reply to you.
>> Probably a good choice.  See if it will play nice with VB or one of
>> the other emulations wares.
> 
>    Hmmmm ... what if he makes like a 10gb empty space on his
>    disk and then uses gparted to copy the CD and paste it
>    into the empty space ? Then run update-grub and see what
>    it comes up with ????
> 
>    'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
>    sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.

The procedure would be:

  - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space

  - dd the iso into the partition

dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB

Not sure it can be booted.


>    I still think VirtualBox is by far his best option. It
>    WILL run an iso image.

Yep.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#37621

I welcome and appreciate these comments, but am not sure I fully understand
them yet:

*+-> 
*+->  ?? 'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
*+->  ?? sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.

*+-The procedure would be:

*+- - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space

*+- - dd the iso into the partition

*+-dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB

*+-Not sure it can be booted.


*+->  ?? I still think VirtualBox is by far his best option. It
*+->  ?? WILL run an iso image.




-- 
	 Vasos Panagiotopoulos  panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
  ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice.  Everything fully disclaimed.}---

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#37627

On 3/24/23 4:27 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> I welcome and appreciate these comments, but am not sure I fully understand
> them yet:
> 
> *+->
> *+->  ?? 'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
> *+->  ?? sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.
> 
> *+-The procedure would be:
> 
> *+- - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space
> 
> *+- - dd the iso into the partition
> 
> *+-dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB
> 
> *+-Not sure it can be booted.
> 
> 
> *+->  ?? I still think VirtualBox is by far his best option. It
> *+->  ?? WILL run an iso image.

   "sudo apt-get install virtualbox"

   Or if you have synaptic installed you can search
   for virtualbox and probably see a few more options.

   You WILL want the "extension pack". You can also go
   direct to the Oracle VB download site to get THE
   latest version, but the slightly older ones are
   perfectly good.

   Run the Virtualbox GUI. From the menu pick the
   'new virtual machine' option. You will be asked
   to pick an image - in your case you'd need to
   navigate to the Knoppix ISO (likely on a CD).
   Pick "Linux 32bit" as the type (if it's old
   it's almost surely 32 bit). You will have to
   manually pick it.

   Then you set up the virtual disk. The easy option
   is one that grows as needed (to a point) and set
   it for about twice the 'suggested' size. There
   are options for picking the max memory that the
   machine can use and how many CPU cores. For
   an old Knoppix one core should be good enough.

   Anyway, there are extensive instructions online.
   It's not 'hard' - actually the least clear part
   these days is in how to pick the damned image
   file ....

   The big advantage of VBox is that it'll get around
   most of those weird boot-up issues you get with an
   actual partition. Install the extension pack and
   you can give the virtual machine better access to
   the outside world, even create a shared folder so
   your main distro can send/receive files with
   the virtual machine.

   There is a competing system called KVM ... it is
   a tad more complex to install. It has a few
   advantages for an 'industrial environment' but
   is also more difficult to tweak. The VBox GUI
   is more 'user friendly'.

   DO go into your BIOS menu and search around to see
   if your chip has virtual machine capabilities. Half
   the time they're enabled by default, the other half
   of the time ... and not all CPUs have it. You can
   still run Virtualbox without an enhanced chip but
   it'll be a 'software emulation' and slower.

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#37631

On 2023-03-24 21:27, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> I welcome and appreciate these comments, but am not sure I fully understand
> them yet:
> 
> *+->
> *+->  ?? 'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
> *+->  ?? sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.
> 
> *+-The procedure would be:
> 
> *+- - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space
> 
> *+- - dd the iso into the partition
> 
> *+-dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB
> 
> *+-Not sure it can be booted.

If you don't understand this then I'm not going to explain. Too 
dangerous, sorry.

Go the virtualbox route instead.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#37647

On 3/25/23 7:30 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-03-24 21:27, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>> I welcome and appreciate these comments, but am not sure I fully 
>> understand
>> them yet:
>>
>> *+->
>> *+->  ?? 'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
>> *+->  ?? sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.
>>
>> *+-The procedure would be:
>>
>> *+- - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space
>>
>> *+- - dd the iso into the partition
>>
>> *+-dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB
>>
>> *+-Not sure it can be booted.
> 
> If you don't understand this then I'm not going to explain. Too 
> dangerous, sorry.
> 
> Go the virtualbox route instead.

   Absolutely agreed. Our 'tricks' can TRASH his
   whole system if not done *perfectly* ... and
   he doesn't seem to be extremely experienced
   with -IX systems.

   VBox WILL do what he desires - pretty easily and
   cleanly and at no risk. His old disrto will even
   gain some perks by "filtering through" the VBox
   system.

   Hmmm ... you'd THINK a live distro with all those
   math/stat extras would have been perpetuated by
   somebody. "Scientific Linux" might have been it,
   but that seems to have fallen a bit by the
   proverbial wayside (as with all the RPM universe
   after the IBM/RHEL thing).

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#37650

"27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> writes:

> On 3/25/23 7:30 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-03-24 21:27, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>> I welcome and appreciate these comments, but am not sure I fully
>>> understand
>>> them yet:
>>>
>>> *+->
>>> *+->  ?? 'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
>>> *+->  ?? sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.
>>>
>>> *+-The procedure would be:
>>>
>>> *+- - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space
>>>
>>> *+- - dd the iso into the partition
>>>
>>> *+-dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB
>>>
>>> *+-Not sure it can be booted.
>> If you don't understand this then I'm not going to explain. Too
>> dangerous, sorry.
>> Go the virtualbox route instead.
>
>   Absolutely agreed. Our 'tricks' can TRASH his
>   whole system if not done *perfectly* ... and
>   he doesn't seem to be extremely experienced
>   with -IX systems.
>
>   VBox WILL do what he desires - pretty easily and
>   cleanly and at no risk. His old disrto will even
>   gain some perks by "filtering through" the VBox
>   system.
>
>   Hmmm ... you'd THINK a live distro with all those
>   math/stat extras would have been perpetuated by
>   somebody. "Scientific Linux" might have been it,
>   but that seems to have fallen a bit by the
>   proverbial wayside (as with all the RPM universe
>   after the IBM/RHEL thing).
>

openSUSE is an RPM-based distro whose  downstream (SLE) is officially
supported by IBM on their systems, and it works perfectly well for me...
-- 
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
- Attributed to Albert Einstein

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#37653

On 2023-03-26 15:35, jeshgrca wrote:
> "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> writes:
> 
>> On 3/25/23 7:30 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-03-24 21:27, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>> I welcome and appreciate these comments, but am not sure I fully
>>>> understand
>>>> them yet:
>>>>
>>>> *+->
>>>> *+->  ?? 'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
>>>> *+->  ?? sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.
>>>>
>>>> *+-The procedure would be:
>>>>
>>>> *+- - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space
>>>>
>>>> *+- - dd the iso into the partition
>>>>
>>>> *+-dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB
>>>>
>>>> *+-Not sure it can be booted.
>>> If you don't understand this then I'm not going to explain. Too
>>> dangerous, sorry.
>>> Go the virtualbox route instead.
>>
>>    Absolutely agreed. Our 'tricks' can TRASH his
>>    whole system if not done *perfectly* ... and
>>    he doesn't seem to be extremely experienced
>>    with -IX systems.
>>
>>    VBox WILL do what he desires - pretty easily and
>>    cleanly and at no risk. His old disrto will even
>>    gain some perks by "filtering through" the VBox
>>    system.
>>
>>    Hmmm ... you'd THINK a live distro with all those
>>    math/stat extras would have been perpetuated by
>>    somebody. "Scientific Linux" might have been it,
>>    but that seems to have fallen a bit by the
>>    proverbial wayside (as with all the RPM universe
>>    after the IBM/RHEL thing).
>>
> 
> openSUSE is an RPM-based distro whose  downstream (SLE) is officially
> supported by IBM on their systems, and it works perfectly well for me...

It is actually the other way round: SLE is upstream of openSUSE Leap. 
openSUSE Leap and SLE are binary compatible. With extra packages, like 
Plasma, coming directly from the community instead.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#37655

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

> On 2023-03-26 15:35, jeshgrca wrote:
>> "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> writes:
>> 
>>> On 3/25/23 7:30 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-03-24 21:27, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>>> I welcome and appreciate these comments, but am not sure I fully
>>>>> understand
>>>>> them yet:
>>>>>
>>>>> *+->
>>>>> *+->  ?? 'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
>>>>> *+->  ?? sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.
>>>>>
>>>>> *+-The procedure would be:
>>>>>
>>>>> *+- - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space
>>>>>
>>>>> *+- - dd the iso into the partition
>>>>>
>>>>> *+-dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB
>>>>>
>>>>> *+-Not sure it can be booted.
>>>> If you don't understand this then I'm not going to explain. Too
>>>> dangerous, sorry.
>>>> Go the virtualbox route instead.
>>>
>>>    Absolutely agreed. Our 'tricks' can TRASH his
>>>    whole system if not done *perfectly* ... and
>>>    he doesn't seem to be extremely experienced
>>>    with -IX systems.
>>>
>>>    VBox WILL do what he desires - pretty easily and
>>>    cleanly and at no risk. His old disrto will even
>>>    gain some perks by "filtering through" the VBox
>>>    system.
>>>
>>>    Hmmm ... you'd THINK a live distro with all those
>>>    math/stat extras would have been perpetuated by
>>>    somebody. "Scientific Linux" might have been it,
>>>    but that seems to have fallen a bit by the
>>>    proverbial wayside (as with all the RPM universe
>>>    after the IBM/RHEL thing).
>>>
>> openSUSE is an RPM-based distro whose  downstream (SLE) is
>> officially
>> supported by IBM on their systems, and it works perfectly well for me...
>
> It is actually the other way round: SLE is upstream of openSUSE
> Leap. openSUSE Leap and SLE are binary compatible. With extra
> packages, like Plasma, coming directly from the community instead.

I apologize for being unclear; I use Tumbleweed, not Leap. Tumbleweed,
from my understanding, is only downstream to Factory.
-- 
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
- Attributed to Albert Einstein

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#37651

On 3/25/23 21:52, 27E.G756 wrote:
> On 3/25/23 7:30 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-03-24 21:27, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>> I welcome and appreciate these comments, but am not sure I fully 
>>> understand
>>> them yet:
>>>
>>> *+->
>>> *+->  ?? 'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
>>> *+->  ?? sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.
>>>
>>> *+-The procedure would be:
>>>
>>> *+- - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space
>>>
>>> *+- - dd the iso into the partition
>>>
>>> *+-dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB
>>>
>>> *+-Not sure it can be booted.
>>
>> If you don't understand this then I'm not going to explain. Too 
>> dangerous, sorry.
>>
>> Go the virtualbox route instead.
> 
>    Absolutely agreed. Our 'tricks' can TRASH his
>    whole system if not done *perfectly* ... and
>    he doesn't seem to be extremely experienced
>    with -IX systems.
> 
>    VBox WILL do what he desires - pretty easily and
>    cleanly and at no risk. His old disrto will even
>    gain some perks by "filtering through" the VBox
>    system.
> 
>    Hmmm ... you'd THINK a live distro with all those
>    math/stat extras would have been perpetuated by
>    somebody. "Scientific Linux" might have been it,
>    but that seems to have fallen a bit by the
>    proverbial wayside (as with all the RPM universe
>    after the IBM/RHEL thing).

	
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<https://www.caelinux.com/CMS3/index.php/download/62-caelinux-2020>

	bliss

-- 
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#37652

27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
> On 3/25/23 7:30 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-03-24 21:27, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>> I welcome and appreciate these comments, but am not sure I fully 
>>> understand them yet:
>>>
>>> *+->
>>> *+->  ?? 'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
>>> *+->  ?? sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.
>>>
>>> *+-The procedure would be:
>>>
>>> *+- - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space
>>>
>>> *+- - dd the iso into the partition
>>>
>>> *+-dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB
>>>
>>> *+-Not sure it can be booted.
>> 
>> If you don't understand this then I'm not going to explain. Too 
>> dangerous, sorry.
>> 
>> Go the virtualbox route instead.
> 
>   Absolutely agreed. Our 'tricks' can TRASH his
>   whole system if not done *perfectly*

Yup, and then the OP will just return with another vague posting.

>   ... and he doesn't seem to be extremely experienced with -IX
>   systems.

The OP very much reminds me of a poster who goes by a different handle 
who posts in a different group where each post begins with a vague 
statement of a chosen solution for a "problem" and asking for help with 
transitioning their chosen solution to completion.

Of course, omitted is any detail of the initial problem that is trying 
to be solved, as well is omitted any and all useful factual details of 
system, setup, or environment.

Then, much like here, after 85+ posts, diverging in multiple different 
directions, that other poster will finally be cajoled into revealing a 
critical bit of the actual problem and/or a critical fact re. their 
system, setup, or environment which shows that all 85+ posts, in seven 
different directions, were all just wasted time, and had that poster 
just mentioned the real problem they were trying to solve, the solution 
could have been offered quickly, and on point.

I.e.  (made up below, but this is the general idea), they will start by 
indicating that on random days their computer will mysteriously 
shutdown, and they have decided they have a flaky DIMM stick, and begin 
by asking how to narrow down which DIMM sick, out of the eight they 
have installed, is the culprit by using Linux log files and/or smm 
query tools.

Then, 85+ messages later, on plural divergent topics on how to 
accomplish this solution, it will finally be revealed, by that poster, 
that their computer is plugged into an outlet on a circuit that also 
powers a window AC unit and that also powers a plug in the bedroom 
where their wife uses her hair dryer, and lo and behold, the random 
shutdowns all correspond to days when both the AC unit is operational 
and the wife also turns on her hair dryer at the same time, tripping 
the circuit breaker into overload and shutting down power to the 
circuit, and subsequently, the computer (and that they have no UPS for 
the computer).

This OP's message style, engagement style, and utter lack of much 
detail very much remind me of that poster from the other group.  And 
that poster has been accused of intentionally trolling more than a few 
times due to their continual use of this seeming "hide the ball" tactic 
in their initial posts.

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#37656

On 3/26/23 12:08 PM, Rich wrote:
> 27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
>> On 3/25/23 7:30 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-03-24 21:27, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>> I welcome and appreciate these comments, but am not sure I fully
>>>> understand them yet:
>>>>
>>>> *+->
>>>> *+->  ?? 'dd' could do the copy too - but you have to be REALLY
>>>> *+->  ?? sure about the exact dest point on the hdd.
>>>>
>>>> *+-The procedure would be:
>>>>
>>>> *+- - Create a partition (empty) in that 10g empty space
>>>>
>>>> *+- - dd the iso into the partition
>>>>
>>>> *+-dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdXy bs=1MiB
>>>>
>>>> *+-Not sure it can be booted.
>>>
>>> If you don't understand this then I'm not going to explain. Too
>>> dangerous, sorry.
>>>
>>> Go the virtualbox route instead.
>>
>>    Absolutely agreed. Our 'tricks' can TRASH his
>>    whole system if not done *perfectly*
> 
> Yup, and then the OP will just return with another vague posting.
> 
>>    ... and he doesn't seem to be extremely experienced with -IX
>>    systems.
> 
> The OP very much reminds me of a poster who goes by a different handle
> who posts in a different group where each post begins with a vague
> statement of a chosen solution for a "problem" and asking for help with
> transitioning their chosen solution to completion.
> 
> Of course, omitted is any detail of the initial problem that is trying
> to be solved, as well is omitted any and all useful factual details of
> system, setup, or environment.
> 
> Then, much like here, after 85+ posts, diverging in multiple different
> directions, that other poster will finally be cajoled into revealing a
> critical bit of the actual problem and/or a critical fact re. their
> system, setup, or environment which shows that all 85+ posts, in seven
> different directions, were all just wasted time, and had that poster
> just mentioned the real problem they were trying to solve, the solution
> could have been offered quickly, and on point.
> 
> I.e.  (made up below, but this is the general idea), they will start by
> indicating that on random days their computer will mysteriously
> shutdown, and they have decided they have a flaky DIMM stick, and begin
> by asking how to narrow down which DIMM sick, out of the eight they
> have installed, is the culprit by using Linux log files and/or smm
> query tools.
> 
> Then, 85+ messages later, on plural divergent topics on how to
> accomplish this solution, it will finally be revealed, by that poster,
> that their computer is plugged into an outlet on a circuit that also
> powers a window AC unit and that also powers a plug in the bedroom
> where their wife uses her hair dryer, and lo and behold, the random
> shutdowns all correspond to days when both the AC unit is operational
> and the wife also turns on her hair dryer at the same time, tripping
> the circuit breaker into overload and shutting down power to the
> circuit, and subsequently, the computer (and that they have no UPS for
> the computer).
> 
> This OP's message style, engagement style, and utter lack of much
> detail very much remind me of that poster from the other group.  And
> that poster has been accused of intentionally trolling more than a few
> times due to their continual use of this seeming "hide the ball" tactic
> in their initial posts.


   Why do you assume a Vast Evil Plan ???

   These groups aren't just for people with decades
   of Unix/Linux under their belts - unless you want
   to create a "comp.os.linux.misc.oldguysonly" group  :-)

   I think the OP is mostly a Winders guy who had an
   old bootable enhanced Knoppix he liked and now wants
   to make a permanent install. Alas he barely knows
   what he's doing with Linux. A few of us will try
   to steer him in the right direction - which, for
   him, is gonna be VirtualBox.

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#37659

27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
> 
>   Why do you assume a Vast Evil Plan ???

Why do you put words in my mouth.  I never said I assumed a Vast Evil 
Plan.  I did say that that other poster from that other group had been 
accused of trolling (i.e., others in that group made such accusations).

>   These groups aren't just for people with decades of Unix/Linux 
>   under their belts - unless you want to create a 
>   "comp.os.linux.misc.oldguysonly" group :-)

True.  But when the initial question's vagueness approaches "it does 
not work", time and again, there is a frustration that builds up from 
trying to cajole basic information necessary to even begin to answer 
the question.  I.e., "what is 'it' and how exactly does 'it' not 
work?".

>   I think the OP is mostly a Winders guy who had an old bootable 
>   enhanced Knoppix he liked and now wants to make a permanent 
>   install.  Alas he barely knows what he's doing with Linux.  A few 
>   of us will try to steer him in the right direction - which, for 
>   him, is gonna be VirtualBox.

Yes, for what he appears to be attempting, under the reasonable 
assumption that he is just a windows guy with almost no experience 
installing anything anywhere, VirtualBox is indeed his best bet.

As well, with each post, the /similarity/ to that other poster increses 
by some marginal amount.

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#37662

On 3/26/23 9:24 PM, Rich wrote:
> 27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
>>
>>    Why do you assume a Vast Evil Plan ???
> 
> Why do you put words in my mouth. 

   You were the one with all the words - a detailed
   lay-out of the supposed Evil Scheme.

   I think we're just dealing with a relatively clueless
   Winders guy fooling around with Linux. He's "vague"
   because HE DOESN'T KNOW.

   So, we'll TELL him - best as possible.

   I think we've offered enough options by now, so if
   he posts basically the same thing again I won't
   bother answering.

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#37663

27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
> On 3/26/23 9:24 PM, Rich wrote:
>> 27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Why do you assume a Vast Evil Plan ???
>> 
>> Why do you put words in my mouth. 
> 
>   You were the one with all the words - a detailed
>   lay-out of the supposed Evil Scheme.

Nope, you imagined an "Evil Scheme" all on your own.

I merely described the similarity of OP to another poster, and then 
pointed out that the other poster had been accused of trolling.  Any 
imaginary "Evil Scheme" was all in your head.

>   I think we're just dealing with a relatively clueless Winders guy 
>   fooling around with Linux.  He's "vague" because HE DOESN'T KNOW.

Giving him benefit of the doubt, yes, this is currently the most likely 
possibility.  

>   I think we've offered enough options by now, so if he posts 
>   basically the same thing again I won't bother answering.

We shall see if something similar gets posted in a few days.

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#37677

On 3/27/23 2:59 AM, Rich wrote:
> 27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
>> On 3/26/23 9:24 PM, Rich wrote:
>>> 27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Why do you assume a Vast Evil Plan ???
>>>
>>> Why do you put words in my mouth.
>>
>>    You were the one with all the words - a detailed
>>    lay-out of the supposed Evil Scheme.
> 
> Nope, you imagined an "Evil Scheme" all on your own.
> 
> I merely described the similarity of OP to another poster, and then
> pointed out that the other poster had been accused of trolling.  Any
> imaginary "Evil Scheme" was all in your head.


   I would assume pointing out those "similarities" had
   a POINT beyond the abstract ... you did go on for
   several paragraphs about it all .........

   MY assumption is that nobody would go to the TROUBLE
   of such schemes on a somewhat obscure group with a
   relatively small population. Not worth it.


>>    I think we're just dealing with a relatively clueless Winders guy
>>    fooling around with Linux.  He's "vague" because HE DOESN'T KNOW.
> 
> Giving him benefit of the doubt, yes, this is currently the most likely
> possibility.
> 
>>    I think we've offered enough options by now, so if he posts
>>    basically the same thing again I won't bother answering.
> 
> We shall see if something similar gets posted in a few days.

   We shall ...

   In a sub-thread the OP seems to have declared that he's
   kinda gotten what he wants - but his Knoppix appears
   in a Winders multi-boot menu rather than Grub.

   But he still would have been better off with VirtualBox

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#37684

27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
>   But he still would have been better off with VirtualBox

Indeed.  He would have accomplished his desired outcome in all of about 
five minutes with a working VB setup, and with way less risk of killing 
everything else on his machine.

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