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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-07-27 03:11 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-07-29 21:47 +0100 |
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Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 03:11 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 12:05 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 17:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:13 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 02:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:59 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 22:28 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:15 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:42 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:18 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 03:35 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:39 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:46 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-29 09:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:33 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-29 09:14 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:41 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-21 07:48 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 03:50 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:10 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 14:06 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-27 18:21 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 18:00 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:10 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:24 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 03:38 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:10 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:13 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:16 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:30 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:35 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 17:51 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 04:44 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:03 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:22 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 18:24 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 23:36 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:31 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-30 07:46 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:21 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:25 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:13 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 01:02 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 03:18 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:39 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 18:36 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-30 06:31 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:28 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:24 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 10:16 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 19:35 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 20:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:28 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:50 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:19 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:40 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 00:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 22:21 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:17 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:26 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 15:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:54 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:50 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-27 17:49 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 17:55 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 22:37 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 06:34 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 03:28 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 08:36 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:29 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 04:05 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 11:08 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202507.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2025-07-29 13:45 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-30 08:59 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 21:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:59 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:39 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:03 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-07-30 08:12 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:30 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:33 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 22:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 03:21 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:23 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:58 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 14:44 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:39 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:27 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 14:04 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:49 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 22:49 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:11 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-01 14:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 18:00 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:58 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-01 20:37 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 03:36 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-02 06:23 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 02:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:05 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:48 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-08-03 03:36 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:43 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-02 20:01 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 22:56 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:34 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-08-03 08:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 17:38 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-03 08:26 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 04:06 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-03 09:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:09 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-03 15:54 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 23:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:35 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:27 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 08:44 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:23 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:40 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:42 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:11 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 00:09 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:55 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 22:25 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-01 09:09 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-01 00:54 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-01 01:44 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 22:52 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:25 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:14 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 01:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 08:50 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-04 19:00 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 11:11 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:01 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:32 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:47 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:58 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:58 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:32 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:25 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 07:48 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 16:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 14:49 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:19 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:18 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 14:38 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:27 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 20:44 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:57 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:02 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:23 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 13:33 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 15:55 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 16:23 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 07:49 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-06 08:21 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 11:11 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-06 12:08 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 11:18 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:53 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 22:18 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:47 +0100
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2025-08-22 09:10 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <68a7a75f@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #71817 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 8/20/25 5:48 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> On 29 Jul 2025 09:14:02 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> Out in the cow-farms of Australia It's lucky to get any G since they >>>> turned 3G off. 4G is bloody useless for coverage, and the telcos >>>> just openly lie about the fact. >>> >>> I don't see why, if it's using the same frequency bands. Frequency is the >>> primary determinant of physical radio signal range (given the same amount >>> of power), after all. >> >> Unfortunately anyone with the time and documents to understand >> exactly how it all works in is the employ of a company selling 4G >> tech, so nobody's explaining the full details. But obviously there >> are lots of technical changes which can counter that basic >> assumption when applied to 4G, using multiple radios/antennas, >> error correction, whatever equates to the minimum baud rate >> (especially for what can handle digital voice data). >> >> I noticed the same when 2G was turned off reception got worse too. >> My old 2G/3G mobile broadband modem no longer got reception except >> near the windows in my house (granted 2G speed was slow enough that >> I did want it near a window anyway). Phone calls still worked >> inside on 3G though, but even against the windows is dodgy on 4G - >> I have to go outside now (when my landline's not working). It's not >> even as reliable as 3G for making calls outdoors. > > Every "G" uses higher freqs and tighter encoding. > > Higher freqs do NOT penetrate obstacles - even > just trees or little hills - as well. More > "RF shadows". That was originally the case, but the Telcos in Aus introduced a new 700MHz band before the 3G switch-off. Older devices didn't support it, yet I checked _really_ hard through the specs for the phones I bought and those others people I know tried that they supported the new band. Still bloody hopeless. 3G was 850MHz, so higher frequency, but it worked where 700MHz 4G phones (some branded "4GX") don't! Telcos still say the problem is fixed though, so off goes 3G and they just ignore the complaints. Before 3G was turned off new phones would favour 4G and they were much less reliable unless set not to use 4G at all. Telcos said the reception on 4G would improve after 3G was turned off (with no real explaination why). More lies, it's just as bad as before, without the choice to turn it off. Telcos have completely lost any grain of trust I still had in them since all this. > Encoding ... 'tighter' CAN mean 'more vulnerable > to errors'. Just a dropped bit here and there and > you can't extract the real data. > > 5-G is now over much of the USA. I haven't got my hands on anything 5G yet so I haven't looked into coverage. I did look into 5G mobiles to see if I could find one which would be usable after the inevitable 4G turn-off. Of course that's a separate standard to VoLTE, "VoNR" or "Vo5G", and just like VoLTE lots of phones with 5G support _don't_ do VoNR so will be as useless as all the 4G-but-not-VoLTE phones which went in the bin when 3G was turned off. But the cheap "feature phones" I'm looking at are miles away from having any sort of 5G support anyway. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-27 14:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <hbhhllxbfr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #69956 |
On 2025-07-27 09:11, c186282 wrote: > ATT abruptly cancelled support for my old Gen-2 DSL > connection - which I liked. Copper? > As for the internet service - I only get a shakey > max of two bars where I live ... mostly just ONE. > While ATT promises high speed that AIN'T happening > at my location. Amazon does sell 5G 'boosters', > might have to buy one. New router is wireless? Using 4G or 5G technology? I'm sure the papers have been telling of this for years. All copper exchanges in most parts of the world are been moved to fibre. Those customers that are too far or for some reason installing the fibre is too expensive, are moved to some radio technology. > > REMAINING weird issue - stuff plugged into the > hardwire ports on the new router do NOT appear > in its wireless universe. Never seen that before. > No obvious way, or advice, about how to combine > the universes. I have some devices I WANT to be > hardwire for speed/security reasons. Make sure the gateway is set to the router address. Even for LAN addresses. It is a hack, so use only if really needed (it can overload the router). Or, create your own Access Point. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-27 18:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <men90pFddmiU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69964 |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:06:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I'm sure the papers have been telling of this for years. All copper > exchanges in most parts of the world are been moved to fibre. Those > customers that are too far or for some reason installing the fibre is > too expensive, are moved to some radio technology. I've been using a 3G/4G/5G wireless router for years. I'm not that far from town but there aren't enough houses that fiber is going to happen. Conventional cable never did either. I only have a few OTA TV stations but most people have dishes for their TV fix. I had been using copper. I have a Kindle back when they had 3G option. I didn't think too much about it but it was a revelation when I was sitting on the deck reading and it connected to the network. The light bulb went off and I was at the Verizon store the next day. My existing provider did have a wireless option but their antenna was on the wrong mountain and I didn't have any line of sight.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-07-27 18:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VvmcnUe-ibQXPBv1nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #69968 |
On 7/27/25 2:21 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:06:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I'm sure the papers have been telling of this for years. All copper >> exchanges in most parts of the world are been moved to fibre. Those >> customers that are too far or for some reason installing the fibre is >> too expensive, are moved to some radio technology. > > I've been using a 3G/4G/5G wireless router for years. I'm not that far > from town but there aren't enough houses that fiber is going to happen. > Conventional cable never did either. I only have a few OTA TV stations but > most people have dishes for their TV fix. > > I had been using copper. I have a Kindle back when they had 3G option. I > didn't think too much about it but it was a revelation when I was sitting > on the deck reading and it connected to the network. The light bulb went > off and I was at the Verizon store the next day. My existing provider did > have a wireless option but their antenna was on the wrong mountain and I > didn't have any line of sight. Only StarLink always has the "tower" directly OVER you. Again though, as weird as Musk has become, the whole service could disappear in an instant. Ok, there's geo-sync sat internet but the signal delay would be UGLY these days with all the highly-decorated ad-infested web pages. Had it in the old old days when things were simpler, but the up/down lag was still annoying.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-28 05:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <meof23FqusoU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #69971 |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 18:00:15 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Only StarLink always has the "tower" directly OVER you. Again though, > as weird as Musk has become, the whole service could disappear in an > instant. I've thought about StarLink but it wouldn't be significantly cheaper than the Verizon wireless network. I can watch Netflix/Prime movies without buffering and that's good enough for me. I think StarLink may be changing the game but the cost for a mobile setup was considerably more expensive than a fixed site. If I'm traveling I bring the MiFi, which is about the size of a deck of cards, and I have internet wherever there is Verizon, which is about everywhere in the western US. It beats whatever tin can and string lashup some motels have for their free Wifi.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-28 13:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1067q5q$24u7g$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69971 |
On 27/07/2025 23:00, c186282 wrote: > On 7/27/25 2:21 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:06:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> I'm sure the papers have been telling of this for years. All copper >>> exchanges in most parts of the world are been moved to fibre. Those >>> customers that are too far or for some reason installing the fibre is >>> too expensive, are moved to some radio technology. >> >> I've been using a 3G/4G/5G wireless router for years. I'm not that far >> from town but there aren't enough houses that fiber is going to happen. >> Conventional cable never did either. I only have a few OTA TV stations >> but >> most people have dishes for their TV fix. >> >> I had been using copper. I have a Kindle back when they had 3G option. I >> didn't think too much about it but it was a revelation when I was sitting >> on the deck reading and it connected to the network. The light bulb went >> off and I was at the Verizon store the next day. My existing provider did >> have a wireless option but their antenna was on the wrong mountain and I >> didn't have any line of sight. > > Only StarLink always has the "tower" directly OVER > you. Again though, as weird as Musk has become, the > whole service could disappear in an instant. > Other companies are in that game. Eutelstat is one. There are others. Inmarsat is a geo stationary network IIRC. In rural UK a lot of network traffic is carried of microwave point to point links. Rather than cables. > Ok, there's geo-sync sat internet but the signal > delay would be UGLY these days with all the > highly-decorated ad-infested web pages. Had it > in the old old days when things were simpler, > but the up/down lag was still annoying. > Yes. Fibre is ultimately higher bandwidth than we know what to do with *yet*...:-) - and cheap and corrosion proof... ...but laying cable is never a cheap option. -- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Joseph Goebbels
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 03:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <IficneLnHIHn5xX1nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70007 |
On 7/28/25 8:24 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 27/07/2025 23:00, c186282 wrote: >> On 7/27/25 2:21 PM, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:06:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> I'm sure the papers have been telling of this for years. All copper >>>> exchanges in most parts of the world are been moved to fibre. Those >>>> customers that are too far or for some reason installing the fibre is >>>> too expensive, are moved to some radio technology. >>> >>> I've been using a 3G/4G/5G wireless router for years. I'm not that far >>> from town but there aren't enough houses that fiber is going to happen. >>> Conventional cable never did either. I only have a few OTA TV >>> stations but >>> most people have dishes for their TV fix. >>> >>> I had been using copper. I have a Kindle back when they had 3G option. I >>> didn't think too much about it but it was a revelation when I was >>> sitting >>> on the deck reading and it connected to the network. The light bulb went >>> off and I was at the Verizon store the next day. My existing provider >>> did >>> have a wireless option but their antenna was on the wrong mountain and I >>> didn't have any line of sight. >> >> Only StarLink always has the "tower" directly OVER >> you. Again though, as weird as Musk has become, the >> whole service could disappear in an instant. >> > Other companies are in that game. Eutelstat is one. There are others. > Inmarsat is a geo stationary network IIRC. > > In rural UK a lot of network traffic is carried of microwave point to > point links. Rather than cables. > > >> Ok, there's geo-sync sat internet but the signal >> delay would be UGLY these days with all the >> highly-decorated ad-infested web pages. Had it >> in the old old days when things were simpler, >> but the up/down lag was still annoying. >> > Yes. > > Fibre is ultimately higher bandwidth than we know what to do with > *yet*...:-) - and cheap and corrosion proof... > > ...but laying cable is never a cheap option. 'Zactly - physical media ... HUGE upkeep problems. Requires LOTS of expensive annoying humans and equipment. As such, as I said somewhere, FORGET fiber. It'll only be used to connect wireless nodes really soon.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 10:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106a5i2$2i8h8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70054 |
On 29/07/2025 08:38, c186282 wrote: > As such, as I said somewhere, FORGET fiber. It'll only be used to > connect wireless nodes really soon. Possibly in backward ole USA. Here in the RestOfTheWorld™ It is become as ubiquitous as the electricity socket on the wall, and gigabit speeds that cannot realistically be done with wireless allow secure connection to the NotSoRealWorld™ of the Internet. Possibly its true to say that inside the house for many people Wifi Rules with all its bandwidth and security implications, but not necessarily,. You don't need to employ it if you can be arsed to cable the house or use your won home fibre network. -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <merk85FddmeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70065 |
The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Possibly its true to say that inside the house for many people Wifi > Rules with all its bandwidth and security implications, but not necessarily Here, any device that *has* an ethernet port *gets* an ethernet cable; so the work-laptop which sits mostly 'docked' to the desk has 2.5Gb, while the home-laptop which moves around, is wifi only.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 13:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106adnj$2kabq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70067 |
On 29/07/2025 10:57, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Possibly its true to say that inside the house for many people Wifi
>> Rules with all its bandwidth and security implications, but not
>> necessarily
>
> Here, any device that *has* an ethernet port *gets* an ethernet cable;
> so the work-laptop which sits mostly 'docked' to the desk has 2.5Gb,
> while the home-laptop which moves around, is wifi only.
Exactly the same here. I cabled the house with cat 5 when I built it.
Only the laptop which is portable, the stupid phone, and the pi ZERO Ws
and PicO Ws are wified because they don't have Ethernet.
--
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."
- Leo Tolstoy
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 14:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <egqmllx5u6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #70065 |
On 2025-07-29 11:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/07/2025 08:38, c186282 wrote: >> As such, as I said somewhere, FORGET fiber. It'll only be used to >> connect wireless nodes really soon. > > Possibly in backward ole USA. Here in the RestOfTheWorld™ It is become > as ubiquitous as the electricity socket on the wall, and gigabit speeds > that cannot realistically be done with wireless allow secure connection > to the NotSoRealWorld™ of the Internet. > > Possibly its true to say that inside the house for many people Wifi > Rules with all its bandwidth and security implications, but not > necessarily,. You don't need to employ it if you can be arsed to cable > the house or use your won home fibre network. Here Telefónica is deploying Fibre to the Room (FTTR). I don't know how that works. https://www.movistar.es/fibra-optica/fibra-fttr Translating some of that page: Key features Full power and coverage throughout your home Maximum speed, minimum delay and fluctuation. No cuts or interruptions Customised installation with a thin optical fibre cable. Impeccable aesthetics and no building work required 24/7 network monitoring Connect multiple devices simultaneously at maximum performance I understand that they run an almost invisible thin fibre glued to the juncture near the floor, at the baseboard. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 19:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mesmomFi51jU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70065 |
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:50:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 29/07/2025 08:38, c186282 wrote: >> As such, as I said somewhere, FORGET fiber. It'll only be used to >> connect wireless nodes really soon. > > Possibly in backward ole USA. Here in the RestOfTheWorld™ It is become > as ubiquitous as the electricity socket on the wall, and gigabit speeds > that cannot realistically be done with wireless allow secure connection > to the NotSoRealWorld™ of the Internet. What is overlooked is the entire UK could be dumped into the eastern part of this state where there isn't much but antelope, prairie dogs and coyotes, and this is only the 4th largest state. It's easier to run fiber when everyone lives asshole to belly button.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 21:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106ba6t$2r3s7$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70102 |
On 29/07/2025 20:46, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:50:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 29/07/2025 08:38, c186282 wrote: >>> As such, as I said somewhere, FORGET fiber. It'll only be used to >>> connect wireless nodes really soon. >> >> Possibly in backward ole USA. Here in the RestOfTheWorld™ It is become >> as ubiquitous as the electricity socket on the wall, and gigabit speeds >> that cannot realistically be done with wireless allow secure connection >> to the NotSoRealWorld™ of the Internet. > > What is overlooked is the entire UK could be dumped into the eastern part > of this state where there isn't much but antelope, prairie dogs and > coyotes, and this is only the 4th largest state. And wouldn't it improve the state immeasurably! It's easier to run fiber > when everyone lives asshole to belly button. Like Hong Kong? -- The New Left are the people they warned you about.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 00:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <met7clFli7dU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70107 |
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:16:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > And wouldn't it improve the state immeasurably! Nah, that part of the state is as improved as it needs to get. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_City_Bucking_Horse_Sale
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 00:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <met7n8Fli7dU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70107 |
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:16:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> when everyone lives asshole to belly button. > > Like Hong Kong? England has a population density of 1,134.4/sq mi. This state has a density of 7.7/sq mi. England might not be up to Hong Kong standards yet but import more diverse people that breed like rabbits and you will get there.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 17:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <106bqab$2nocg$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70131 |
On 7/29/25 17:35, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:16:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> when everyone lives asshole to belly button. >> >> Like Hong Kong? > > England has a population density of 1,134.4/sq mi. This state has a > density of 7.7/sq mi. England might not be up to Hong Kong standards yet > but import more diverse people that breed like rabbits and you will get > there. Once the child-bearers are educated we usually give up the the need to reproduce endlessly. In the USA big families may persist for a Generation or so. Once you hve the assurance that a child has a good chance to survive then you don't feel the need to have more backup children. At least in nations that people come from when the women are educated the birth rate goes down. bliss
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 04:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <metma2FnpqrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70132 |
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 17:51:22 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Once the child-bearers are educated we usually give up the > the need to reproduce endlessly. In the USA big families may persist > for a Generation or so. Once you hve the assurance that a child has a > good chance to survive then you don't feel the need to have more backup > children. I went to a bluegrass festival this weekend and one group is a father and five kids. The oldest is a high school senior. I can't tell kids ages very well but the youngest might be around 7. She's no Bill Monroe yet but does an acceptable job with a mandolin. It was good to see a big family and to young people playing. A couple of years ago they redid the stairs to the stage since some of the bands were having a problem getting up the old set. The audience isn't exactly Gen Z either.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 02:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1B-dnWWP8_I8KBT1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70133 |
On 7/30/25 12:44 AM, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 17:51:22 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> Once the child-bearers are educated we usually give up the >> the need to reproduce endlessly. In the USA big families may persist >> for a Generation or so. Once you hve the assurance that a child has a >> good chance to survive then you don't feel the need to have more backup >> children. > > I went to a bluegrass festival this weekend and one group is a father and > five kids. The oldest is a high school senior. I can't tell kids ages very > well but the youngest might be around 7. She's no Bill Monroe yet but does > an acceptable job with a mandolin. > > It was good to see a big family and to young people playing. A couple of > years ago they redid the stairs to the stage since some of the bands were > having a problem getting up the old set. The audience isn't exactly Gen Z > either. Sellers was right though - big fams were a last-century kind of thing. It was a combo of no contraceptives, no female 'empowerment', high child mortality and fewer govt protective programs. You kind of HAD to have lots of kids, they were your little 'army', the people who would feed and protect you as you got older. Now ... not nearly so much. Face it, 1st-world societies are contracting FAST due to the new realities. 'AI' won't fix it, 'immigrants' won't keep your society/culture alive. At some point it all falls apart. Maybe just one more gen and "Japan" will just be a historical name for some islands, nothing to do with thousands of years of cultural uniqueness. USA/EU not far behind that curve. Even China has now offered a $500 check for having a kid (not enough). "Handmaid" measures ? That won't go over well for sure. Women are NOT keen to be "breeder units", clearly. All that "joy of motherhood" stuff was crap. Hmmmm ... what was that old song about getting yer children from the end of a long glass tube .... ? But, again, we've diverged from Linux stuff :-)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 11:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106crq1$357fp$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70134 |
On 30/07/2025 07:03, c186282 wrote:
> Women are NOT keen to be "breeder units", clearly. All
> that "joy of motherhood" stuff was crap.
You would be very surprised - or perhaps not - at just how many people
*want* to be slaves in exchange for the security of knowing exactly what
they have to do, are supposed to think, and have opinions on.
Male and female both.
And there must be something in the motherhood thing, or no one would
willingly do it.
--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 18:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mev6ahF12k8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70141 |
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 11:22:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 30/07/2025 07:03, c186282 wrote: >> Women are NOT keen to be "breeder units", clearly. All >> that "joy of motherhood" stuff was crap. > > You would be very surprised - or perhaps not - at just how many people > *want* to be slaves in exchange for the security of knowing exactly what > they have to do, are supposed to think, and have opinions on. > > Male and female both. > > And there must be something in the motherhood thing, or no one would > willingly do it. Sklavenmoral... At one company I worked for we were approached by the workers about supporting a softball team. No problem, we would spring for uniforms, equipment, and whatever fees were associated with it. It seemed like a good way to improve morale. The catch was they also wanted us to run the team. We were managers and that's what we were supposed to do. Because of the nature of the work almost all the employees were women. It was very difficult to promote a capable worker to a lead position. They didn't want the responsibility even for a larger paycheck.
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