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  For The Word Lovers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-01 01:09 +0000
    Re: For The Word Lovers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:52 -0500
      Re: For The Word Lovers Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 13:46 -0500
        Re: For The Word Lovers pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-01-02 01:28 +0000
          Re: For The Word Lovers Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 20:55 -0500
          Re: For The Word Lovers D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-02 12:24 +0100
            Re: For The Word Lovers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-02 12:18 +0000
            Re: For The Word Lovers pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2025-01-03 07:21 +0000
              Re: For The Word Lovers D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-03 12:43 +0100
                Re: For The Word Lovers The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:51 +0000
                  Re: For The Word Lovers Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 19:02 -0500
              Re: For The Word Lovers Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-01-04 13:06 +0000
    Re: For The Word Lovers not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-02 07:40 +1000
    Re: For The Word Lovers Phillip <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2025-01-03 13:30 -0500
      Re: For The Word Lovers Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-01-04 18:18 +0000
        Re: For The Word Lovers Phillip <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> - 2025-01-04 16:21 -0500
          Re: For The Word Lovers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 22:07 +0000
          Re: For The Word Lovers Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-01-07 15:19 +0000

#63453 — For The Word Lovers

https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a

Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.

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#63474

rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
>
> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.

The last Word I liked was Word 95. After that it grew ever more rococo.

-- 
People seem to think that the blanket phrase, "I only work here," absolves
them utterly from any moral obligation in terms of the public -- but this
was precisely Eichmann's excuse for his job in the concentration camps.

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#63495

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
>>
>> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.
>
>The last Word I liked was Word 95. After that it grew ever more rococo.


Yeah, LO Writer is my stuff.  I have WPS Office installed, too, just
for the hell of it, but I use LO.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#63539

On 2025-01-01, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
>>>
>>> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.
>>
>>The last Word I liked was Word 95. After that it grew ever more rococo.
>
>
> Yeah, LO Writer is my stuff.  I have WPS Office installed, too, just
> for the hell of it, but I use LO.
>
 
I like the jstar invocation of Joe as I'm a wordstar fan...why would anyone
use anything else?

I wonder if there's a way to get LO to use the WS keybindings....

I do use LO when needed but Jstar --> enscript --> lpr for most of my
letters.

pH

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#63542

pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:
>On 2025-01-01, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>
>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
>>>>
>>>> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.
>>>
>>>The last Word I liked was Word 95. After that it grew ever more rococo.
>>
>> Yeah, LO Writer is my stuff.  I have WPS Office installed, too, just
>> for the hell of it, but I use LO.
> 
>I like the jstar invocation of Joe as I'm a wordstar fan...why would anyone
>use anything else?


Ah, interesting:  https://i.imgur.com/NH6nrVp.png

Always fun to look at something new.


>I wonder if there's a way to get LO to use the WS keybindings....
>
>I do use LO when needed but Jstar --> enscript --> lpr for most of my
>letters.


I'm *relatively* GUI-centric but it's entertaining to see terminal-
based apps, too.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#63563

On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, pH wrote:

> On 2025-01-01, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>
>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
>>>>
>>>> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.
>>>
>>> The last Word I liked was Word 95. After that it grew ever more rococo.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, LO Writer is my stuff.  I have WPS Office installed, too, just
>> for the hell of it, but I use LO.
>>
>
> I like the jstar invocation of Joe as I'm a wordstar fan...why would anyone
> use anything else?
>
> I wonder if there's a way to get LO to use the WS keybindings....
>
> I do use LO when needed but Jstar --> enscript --> lpr for most of my
> letters.
>
> pH
>

Doesn't joe have some kind of jmacs as well?

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#63569

On 02/01/2025 11:24, D wrote:

> 
> Doesn't joe have some kind of jmacs as well?

https://joe-editor.sourceforge.io/
-- 
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing 
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

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#63605

On 2025-01-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, pH wrote:
>
>> On 2025-01-01, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
>>>>>
>>>>> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.
>>>>
>>>> The last Word I liked was Word 95. After that it grew ever more rococo.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, LO Writer is my stuff.  I have WPS Office installed, too, just
>>> for the hell of it, but I use LO.
>>>
>>
>> I like the jstar invocation of Joe as I'm a wordstar fan...why would anyone
>> use anything else?
>>
>> I wonder if there's a way to get LO to use the WS keybindings....
>>
>> I do use LO when needed but Jstar --> enscript --> lpr for most of my
>> letters.
>>
>> pH
>>
>
> Doesn't joe have some kind of jmacs as well?

from the man page for Joe...

  joe [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
       jstar [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
       jmacs [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
       rjoe [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
       jpico [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...


So it does a bunch...I think there is actually a WordStar clone for linux
out there but I've never investigated it.

I should try 'joe' by itself just to see....


pH

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#63626

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, pH wrote:

> On 2025-01-02, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, pH wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-01-01, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>> rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last Word I liked was Word 95. After that it grew ever more rococo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, LO Writer is my stuff.  I have WPS Office installed, too, just
>>>> for the hell of it, but I use LO.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I like the jstar invocation of Joe as I'm a wordstar fan...why would anyone
>>> use anything else?
>>>
>>> I wonder if there's a way to get LO to use the WS keybindings....
>>>
>>> I do use LO when needed but Jstar --> enscript --> lpr for most of my
>>> letters.
>>>
>>> pH
>>>
>>
>> Doesn't joe have some kind of jmacs as well?
>
> from the man page for Joe...
>
>  joe [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
>       jstar [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
>       jmacs [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
>       rjoe [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
>       jpico [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
>
>
> So it does a bunch...I think there is actually a WordStar clone for linux
> out there but I've never investigated it.
>
> I should try 'joe' by itself just to see....
>
>
> pH
>

My view is that joe is actually quite capable but lives its own life away 
from the mainstreet. As you say, maybe I should look into it a bit more.

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#63629

On 03/01/2025 11:43, D wrote:
> My view is that joe is actually quite capable but lives its own life 
> away from the mainstreet. As you say, maybe I should look into it a bit 
> more.

It is actually a fantastic editor for unstructured plain text.

So ideal for writing a book.

Sometimes it is nice to gave a 'feature poor' interface that doesn't do 
weird shit if you accidentally press a control key..


-- 
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich 
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason 
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

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#63679

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 03/01/2025 11:43, D wrote:

>> My view is that joe is actually quite capable but lives its own life 
>> away from the mainstreet. As you say, maybe I should look into it a bit 
>> more.
>
>It is actually a fantastic editor for unstructured plain text.
>
>So ideal for writing a book.
>
>Sometimes it is nice to gave a 'feature poor' interface that doesn't do 
>weird shit if you accidentally press a control key..


Interesting point, this app really would be ideal for authoring a
plain-text book, better than a GUI like LO Writer.  I'm glad pH turned
me onto it, it's among my installed software now, as my screenshot
displayed.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#63781

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 07:21:40 -0000 (UTC), pH wrote:

>.I think there is actually a WordStar clone for linux
> out there but I've never investigated it.

I run my old copy of WordStar 6.0 in dosemu -- mostly
just for kicks and to occasionally retrieve documents
from my life in the last century.

One gathers a lot of detritus as one slogs through life...
Jonesy
-- 
  Marvin L Jones    | Marvin      | W3DHJ.net  | linux
   38.238N 104.547W |  @ jonz.net | Jonesy     |  FreeBSD
    * Killfiling google & XXXXbanter.com: jonz.net/ng.htm

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#63507

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a

Wow, package management on an 8086!

http://svardos.org/

-- 
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#63653

On 12/31/24 8:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
> 
> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.

IMO Word 6.0 was the last good version of the Word program series. I 
think I still have install disks for Word 6.0 somewhere around here. 
Everything after Word 6.0 was garbage. Today I use nano and emacs from 
CLI to replace Word 6.0. There's also Wordgrinder which I've recently 
started using. But man, Word 6.0 brings back good memories.

-- 
Phillip Frabott
----------
- Adam: Is a void really a void if it returns?
- Jack: No, it's just nullspace at that point.
----------

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#63793

with <vl9ad1$3vu59$1@dont-email.me> Phillip wrote:
> On 12/31/24 8:09 PM, rbowman wrote:

>> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
>> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.
> IMO Word 6.0 was the last good version of the Word program series.

(correction) IMHO, 7.0 and 95 (I haven't been exposed to 97 (if that was
a thing)) are rebranding with possible minor fixes I can't point out.
So, 95 is last *usable* Word.  That being said...

*SKIP* [  4 lines   1 level deep]
> But man, Word 6.0 brings back good memories.

Like, Doing transfer from paper to file by manual re-typing (yes, 120hpm
is good enough).  Auto-save skips if you are typing at that moment.
50min later -- BAM! CRASH! FSCK! 50min of work went improving The Termal
Death.  Yeah, good memories.

p.s.  Yes, LO has crashed on me once, but it was 100page .docx.  Now I
convert to .odt immediately and live happily ever after.

p.p.s.  People!  You can ship .odt and nobody notices.  Yes, there might
be accidents, but GUM (aka The Management) is aware that different
versions of Word behave differently.  And they are A-OK with this
because it's Word.

-- 
Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom

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#63803

On 1/4/25 1:18 PM, Eric Pozharski wrote:
> with <vl9ad1$3vu59$1@dont-email.me> Phillip wrote:
>> On 12/31/24 8:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
> 
>>> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
>>> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.
>> IMO Word 6.0 was the last good version of the Word program series.
> 
> (correction) IMHO, 7.0 and 95 (I haven't been exposed to 97 (if that was
> a thing)) are rebranding with possible minor fixes I can't point out.
> So, 95 is last *usable* Word.  That being said...
> 
> *SKIP* [  4 lines   1 level deep]
>> But man, Word 6.0 brings back good memories.
> 
> Like, Doing transfer from paper to file by manual re-typing (yes, 120hpm
> is good enough).  Auto-save skips if you are typing at that moment.
> 50min later -- BAM! CRASH! FSCK! 50min of work went improving The Termal
> Death.  Yeah, good memories.
> 
> p.s.  Yes, LO has crashed on me once, but it was 100page .docx.  Now I
> convert to .odt immediately and live happily ever after.
> 
> p.p.s.  People!  You can ship .odt and nobody notices.  Yes, there might
> be accidents, but GUM (aka The Management) is aware that different
> versions of Word behave differently.  And they are A-OK with this
> because it's Word.
> 

Isn't docx just an MS extended version of OpenDoc specs anyways? I think 
I read that somewhere but I could be wrong. I did try Word 7.0 which was 
fine, but I still preferred 6.0. Sure, it crashed (although for my much 
less then 7.0. I think 7.0 was patched later on but I had already 
returned to Word 6.0).

-- 
Phillip Frabott
----------
- Adam: Is a void really a void if it returns?
- Jack: No, it's just nullspace at that point.
----------

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#63808

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 16:21:52 -0500, Phillip wrote:

> Isn't docx just an MS extended version of OpenDoc specs anyways?

Microsoft tried standardizing it as ISO 29500, which is a complete mess. 
There are supposed to be “transition” and “strict” modes, but nobody dares 
to use the “strict” mode.

Compare the Open Document Format, ISO 26300, which is only a small 
fraction of the complexity, and much easier to implement.

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#63932

with <vlc8pg$gkha$1@dont-email.me> Phillip wrote:
> On 1/4/25 1:18 PM, Eric Pozharski wrote:
>> with <vl9ad1$3vu59$1@dont-email.me> Phillip wrote:
>>> On 12/31/24 8:09 PM, rbowman wrote:

>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/23/svardos_drdos_reborn/?td=rt-3a
>>>> Now's your chance to run Word 6.0.
>>> IMO Word 6.0 was the last good version of the Word program series.
>> (correction) IMHO, 7.0 and 95 (I haven't been exposed to 97 (if that was
>> a thing)) are rebranding with possible minor fixes I can't point out.
>> So, 95 is last *usable* Word.  That being said...
*SKIP* [  8 lines   3 levels deep]
>> p.p.s.  People!  You can ship .odt and nobody notices.  Yes, there
>> might be accidents, but GUM (aka The Management) is aware that
>> different versions of Word behave differently.  And they are A-OK
>> with this because it's Word.
> Isn't docx just an MS extended version of OpenDoc specs anyways?

Well, I'm not immersed, I can neither confirm nor deny.

> I think I read that somewhere but I could be wrong.

I was exposed in more or less this order W6 (touched W2-fDos and
W4-fDos: touched only, because it failed to do anything useful from
getgo), then W7, then W95.  Then it was OOo (something really ancient).
And then I was exposed to some modern Word.

Again, I'm not immersed (when I need typesetting (and I did some crazy
staff) I have latex, specifically koma-script), but I have questions
now.

*CUT* [  3 lines   1 level deep]

-- 
Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom

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