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News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing

Started by"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
First post2025-01-14 23:37 -0500
Last post2025-01-17 10:48 +0100
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  News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-14 23:37 -0500
    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 10:10 +0100
      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-15 23:29 -0500
        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmpereComputing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-16 05:03 +0000
        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 11:58 +0100
          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-16 11:18 +0000
            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 17:12 +0100
              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-17 07:35 +1000
                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 23:58 +0000
                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-01-17 12:20 +1000
                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 00:46 -0500
                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 07:05 +0000
                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 03:20 -0500
                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 08:17 -0800
                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:32 +0100
                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 19:37 +0000
                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-18 11:39 +0100
                        Raspberry NAS, anyone? Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-18 14:57 +0000
                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-18 20:05 -0500
                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-19 11:47 +0100
                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-19 13:14 +0000
                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-19 23:02 +0100
                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-20 09:07 +0000
                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-19 18:33 -0500
                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-20 10:30 +0100
                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-20 10:10 +0000
                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-20 13:51 -0500
                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-20 21:58 +0100
                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-20 20:04 -0500
                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-21 10:13 +0100
                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-21 18:55 -0500
                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-22 10:28 +0100
                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-22 18:50 +0000
                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-23 06:47 +1000
                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-22 22:34 +0100
                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 00:00 +0000
                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-23 16:42 +0100
                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 16:13 +0000
                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-23 21:59 +0100
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-24 01:57 +0000
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-24 00:52 -0500
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-24 19:13 +0000
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 01:24 +0000
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 02:02 -0500
                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 19:35 +0000
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-24 11:21 +0000
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-24 20:27 +0000
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 01:26 +0000
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-01-25 17:14 +1000
                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 11:24 +0000
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-24 11:16 +0000
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-24 19:16 +0100
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 00:58 -0500
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 11:04 +0100
                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-22 22:29 +0100
                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 23:58 +0000
                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-23 16:40 +0100
                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-23 00:37 +0000
                                                    Maker spaces Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-23 02:17 +0000
                                                      Re: Maker spaces rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-23 04:50 +0000
                                                        Re: Maker spaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-23 13:38 +0000
                                                      Re: Maker spaces Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-24 01:48 +0000
                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-23 16:46 +0100
                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 16:32 +0000
                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-24 06:22 +1000
                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-24 09:44 +0000
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-01-25 17:36 +1000
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 11:39 +0000
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 19:41 +0000
                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-22 21:38 -0500
                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-23 04:56 +0000
                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-22 20:34 -0500
                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-23 05:07 +0000
                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-23 03:10 -0500
                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 09:15 +0000
                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-23 08:58 -0500
                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 15:08 +0000
                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-23 17:58 +0000
                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-23 13:44 +0000
                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-23 09:05 -0500
                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 15:06 +0000
                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-23 10:15 -0500
                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 15:57 +0000
                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-23 17:55 +0000
                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-23 22:07 +0100
                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-23 16:53 +0100
                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-21 19:30 -0500
                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 07:50 +0000
                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-22 10:35 +0100
                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-21 09:43 +0000
                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-20 21:53 +0100
                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-20 19:42 -0500
                                      Synology Diskstation architecture (was: Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-21 02:48 +0000
                                        Re: Synology Diskstation architecture (was: Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-20 23:29 -0500
                                          Re: Synology Diskstation architecture (was: Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-22 20:56 +0000
                                        Re: Synology Diskstation architecture (was: Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-22 18:47 -0500
                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-21 10:12 +0100
                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-21 19:56 +0000
                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-21 19:17 -0500
                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-22 10:32 +0100
                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-22 21:29 -0500
                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-23 16:51 +0100
                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-23 19:18 -0500
                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-24 10:27 +0100
                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-24 11:46 +0000
                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-24 19:21 +0100
                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-24 18:57 +0000
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-24 23:16 +0100
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 01:39 -0500
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 11:07 +0100
                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-24 19:24 +0000
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-24 23:19 +0100
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 00:55 +0000
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 02:27 -0500
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 11:34 +0100
                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 11:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 18:34 +0100
                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 17:54 +0000
                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 23:33 +0100
                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 00:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 21:24 -0500
                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 09:49 +0000
                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 15:30 +0100
                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 20:25 +0000
                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 10:03 +0100
                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-27 19:01 +0000
                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 22:25 +0100
                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 22:38 -0500
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 10:44 +0100
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 11:43 +0000
                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 18:35 +0100
                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 18:03 +0000
                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 23:35 +0100
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 19:29 +0000
                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 23:38 +0100
                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 00:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 22:01 -0500
                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 13:39 +0100
                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 20:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 09:57 +0100
                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 11:37 +0100
                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 20:40 +0000
                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 10:07 +0100
                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-27 09:44 +0000
                                                                      Political evolution (Libertarianism) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-26 00:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: Political evolution (Libertarianism) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-26 05:31 +0200
                                                                        Re: Political evolution (Libertarianism) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 22:36 -0500
                                                                          Re: Political evolution (Libertarianism) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 19:25 +0000
                                                                        Re: Political evolution (Libertarianism) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 11:44 +0100
                                                                          Re: Political evolution (Libertarianism) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 19:33 +0000
                                                                            Re: Political evolution (Libertarianism) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 09:55 +0100
                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 21:32 -0500
                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 03:33 +0000
                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-26 03:49 -0500
                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 21:13 +0000
                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-26 18:30 -0500
                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-27 00:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186283@ud0s4.net" <186284@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-27 00:03 -0500
                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-27 05:53 +0000
                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-27 01:22 -0500
                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-27 18:54 +0000
                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-27 22:20 -0500
                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-28 05:36 +0000
                                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-28 02:24 -0500
                                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-28 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-28 21:23 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-28 23:11 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-29 03:45 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-29 04:23 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-29 06:02 +0000
                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-28 20:28 +0000
                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-28 21:42 +0100
                                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-29 07:22 +1000
                                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-29 15:14 +0100
                                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-28 23:58 +0000
                                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-29 15:19 +0100
                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-28 16:20 -0500
                                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-29 15:12 +0100
                                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-30 01:15 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-30 05:43 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-30 01:01 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 10:37 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 10:01 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 18:41 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-30 05:08 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 18:43 +0100
                                                                                                        Turn your Radio On Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-30 14:05 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Turn your Radio On D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 18:49 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Turn your Radio On rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-30 19:35 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Turn your Radio On D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 22:15 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Turn your Radio On rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-31 01:18 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Turn your Radio On D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-31 13:47 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-30 17:24 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-30 19:43 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 22:16 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 22:07 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-31 13:41 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-31 01:43 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-30 21:24 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-31 06:26 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-31 13:49 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-31 19:36 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-31 23:37 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-01 05:16 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-01 11:37 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-31 13:49 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-31 13:48 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 10:33 +0100
                                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 09:33 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-30 17:31 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-30 19:45 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-30 20:13 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-30 20:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 21:25 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 21:19 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-30 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-30 20:43 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-31 06:22 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-31 08:08 +1000
                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-31 01:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-01-31 04:49 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-31 00:44 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-31 06:49 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-31 02:09 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-31 10:33 +0000
                                                                                                              Turn Your Radio On ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-31 16:48 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Turn Your Radio On ... D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-31 23:03 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Turn Your Radio On ... "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-31 20:08 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Turn Your Radio On ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-01 04:36 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Turn Your Radio On ... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-01 05:05 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Turn Your Radio On ... "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-01 01:52 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Turn Your Radio On ... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-01 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Turn Your Radio On ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-01 08:14 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Turn Your Radio On ... Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-01 19:47 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Turn Your Radio On ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-01 19:57 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Turn Your Radio On ... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-01 20:13 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Turn Your Radio On ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-02 00:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Turn Your Radio On ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-02 06:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Turn Your Radio On ... "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-02 20:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Turn Your Radio On ... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-02 10:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Turn Your Radio On ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-02 20:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Turn Your Radio On ... "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-02 21:00 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Turn Your Radio On ... "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-01 17:08 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Turn Your Radio On ... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-02 10:18 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Turn Your Radio On ... "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-02 20:54 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Turn Your Radio On ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-01 19:49 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Turn Your Radio On ... "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-01 01:22 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Turn Your Radio On ... D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-01 11:28 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Turn Your Radio On ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-01 18:42 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Turn Your Radio On ... D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-02 11:39 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Turn Your Radio On ... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-02 10:43 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Turn Your Radio On ... D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-02 21:56 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Turn Your Radio On ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-03 03:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Turn Your Radio On ... D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-03 22:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Turn Your Radio On ... Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-04 00:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Turn Your Radio On ... "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-03 22:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Turn Your Radio On ... D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-04 17:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Turn Your Radio On ... D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-04 17:28 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Turn Your Radio On ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-02 20:31 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Turn Your Radio On ... D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-02 21:59 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Turn Your Radio On ... "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-02 01:11 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Turn Your Radio On ... D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-02 11:49 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Turn Your Radio On ... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-01 04:28 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Turn Your Radio On ... D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-01 11:32 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-31 19:30 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-31 23:36 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-01 04:45 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-01 11:34 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-01 18:47 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-31 22:54 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-01 04:57 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-01 11:35 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-01 11:27 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-31 10:29 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-01 04:11 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-01 05:00 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-02 04:13 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-31 06:44 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-31 18:21 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-31 19:47 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-31 10:24 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-02-01 04:34 +0000
                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 10:09 +0100
                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-27 09:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 17:45 +0100
                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-27 21:55 -0500
                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-28 10:27 +0100
                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-27 09:26 +0000
                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-27 09:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 13:01 +0100
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 02:10 -0500
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 11:29 +0100
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 11:22 +0000
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 18:30 +0100
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 19:22 +0000
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 23:37 +0100
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 21:29 -0500
                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 13:00 +0100
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 09:25 +0000
                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 13:45 +0100
                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 12:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 17:30 +0100
                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 20:27 +0000
                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 10:05 +0100
                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-27 09:41 +0000
                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 17:44 +0100
                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-27 20:15 +0000
                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 22:26 +0100
                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-24 21:40 +0000
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 01:28 +0000
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 03:49 +0000
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 02:16 -0500
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 19:24 +0000
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 10:46 +0100
                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-25 19:44 +0000
                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 23:40 +0100
                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 00:09 +0000
                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 22:21 -0500
                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 09:39 +0000
                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 13:48 +0100
                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 13:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 17:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 20:12 +0000
                                                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 10:01 +0100
                                                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-27 20:30 +0000
                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 22:28 +0100
                                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-27 19:45 -0500
                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-28 05:38 +0000
                                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-28 03:13 -0500
                                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-28 10:25 +0100
                                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-28 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-28 21:41 +0100
                                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-27 22:00 -0500
                                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 20:09 +0000
                                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 10:00 +0100
                                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 13:41 +0100
                                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 11:38 +0100
                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 00:53 -0500
                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 11:04 +0100
                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-25 11:19 +0000
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 18:29 +0100
                                                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 00:12 -0500
                                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 10:51 +0100
                                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-25 20:01 +0000
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-25 23:41 +0100
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 21:53 -0500
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 13:38 +0100
                                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-26 00:12 +0000
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-25 22:22 -0500
                                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-26 13:42 +0100
                                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 09:40 +0000
                                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 07:48 +0000
                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-22 10:34 +0100
                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-22 20:11 +0000
                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-22 22:31 +0100
                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-22 22:55 +0000
                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 00:05 +0000
                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-22 21:34 -0500
                                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-23 16:53 +0100
                                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 16:34 +0000
                                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-23 22:02 +0100
                                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-22 20:08 +0000
                                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 23:55 +0000
                                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-21 18:22 -0500
                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:20 +0100
                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 10:33 +0000
                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 16:46 +0100
                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-01-18 07:45 +1000
                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-18 11:45 +0100
                      Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-18 19:26 +0000
                        Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-19 11:42 +0100
                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-19 19:03 +0000
                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-19 23:08 +0100
                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-19 18:52 -0500
                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-20 09:08 +0000
                                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmpereComputing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-20 23:29 +0000
                                    Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmpereComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-20 20:26 -0500
                                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-20 10:36 +0100
                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-19 18:44 -0500
                          Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 08:14 -0800
                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-20 16:39 +0000
                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 09:00 -0800
                              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-20 13:56 -0500
                            Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-20 21:57 +0100
                Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 10:19 +0000
                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 08:04 -0800
                  Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmpereComputing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-17 23:12 +0000
              Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmperComputing "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 00:28 -0500
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#64709

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-01-23 22:02 +0100
Message-ID<d8d536e2-3940-b589-1608-f894124b7205@example.net>
In reply to#64703

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On Thu, 23 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 23/01/2025 15:53, D wrote:
>> 
>>>  SO ... where do you NEED speed and where do you NEED economy/volume ?
>> 
>> For my use case I need maximum economy/volume, so SSDs are out.
>
> Fair enough, but at least you are making in informed choice

This is the truth! And since I've worked in storage for many decades I 
also have connections that would help me to get incredibly detailed 
information.

For disk statistics, the disk list at backblaze is a good starting point!

https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage/resources/hard-drive-test-data

Enjoy you disk fans! =D

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#64661

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2025-01-22 20:08 +0000
Message-ID<vmrj85$16674$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64653
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 21/01/2025 19:56, Rich wrote:
>> For SSD's, writes occur to an "erased" flash block (typically much
>> larger than a "disk sector" size used by the host) and given enough
>> writes over a short enough timeframe the SSD controller can run out of
>> "pre-erased" blocks to use, and when that happens write speed slows
>> down to the rate that can be done when a "block erase" has to occur
>> before the actual writes can hit the media.  Note that this "block
>> erase" can also invove moving any partially used data sectors out of
>> the block into another block, creating a "write amplification"
>> situation as well.
> 
> One of the best ways to gain speed and longevity is to buy an SSD that 
> is way larger than you need. So it always has empty blocks available.

And hope it has a decent block layer that spreads the writes around so 
no one part of the flash is written to more than any other parts.

> And can do the block erases in background

Most SSD's do erases in the background, so that they can have empty 
blocks waiting to absorb writes.

But stream a large enough set of writes at the drive, and you can (for 
some drives) use up the queue of background erased blocks and then you 
see your write speed drop by a good amount because the block erases are 
now also part of the "write path" for your data heading at the drive.

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#64670

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-01-22 23:55 +0000
Message-ID<vms0h7$1965j$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64661
On 22/01/2025 20:08, Rich wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 21/01/2025 19:56, Rich wrote:
>>> For SSD's, writes occur to an "erased" flash block (typically much
>>> larger than a "disk sector" size used by the host) and given enough
>>> writes over a short enough timeframe the SSD controller can run out of
>>> "pre-erased" blocks to use, and when that happens write speed slows
>>> down to the rate that can be done when a "block erase" has to occur
>>> before the actual writes can hit the media.  Note that this "block
>>> erase" can also invove moving any partially used data sectors out of
>>> the block into another block, creating a "write amplification"
>>> situation as well.
>>
>> One of the best ways to gain speed and longevity is to buy an SSD that
>> is way larger than you need. So it always has empty blocks available.
> 
> And hope it has a decent block layer that spreads the writes around so
> no one part of the flash is written to more than any other parts.
> 
That is pretty much standard practice these days Its called 'wear levelling'

>> And can do the block erases in background
> 
> Most SSD's do erases in the background, so that they can have empty
> blocks waiting to absorb writes.
> 
...Exactly...
> But stream a large enough set of writes at the drive, and you can (for
> some drives) use up the queue of background erased blocks and then you
> see your write speed drop by a good amount because the block erases are
> now also part of the "write path" for your data heading at the drive.

....that was precisely the point I was making.


-- 
"If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the 
news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

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#64648

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2025-01-21 18:22 -0500
Message-ID<B8qdnReXr6_MsQ36nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#64644
On 1/21/25 4:12 AM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> On 1/20/25 3:53 PM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/01/2025 09:30, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The Pi hat or OMV ?
>>>>>
>>>>> The pi, with directly connected spinning disks. Does the hat have 
>>>>> its own extra power supply?
>>>>
>>>> I've managed to get a P4 I think to run one spinning rust disk 
>>>> without extra power.
>>>> Strictly it depends on the disk.
>>>> The pi hat for 5 drives has an external 60W PSU
>>>
>>> Ahh, if it has an external PSU then there is no problem. Ideally, if 
>>> the pi hat for 5 drives is intended to accomodate 5 spinning drives, 
>>> it would be nice if it did so at full speeds.
>>
>>
>>  One review said the WRITEs were a little pokey,
>>  but not TOO bad. READs were apparently snappy.
>>
>>  This is OK ... most stuff on HDDs is "write once /
>>  read more often".
> 
> Hmm, do you have a link? What does "a little pokey" mean in terms of 
> writes? If it is only performance and latency related, then it is ok, 
> since the software will take care of a lot of that for me.
> 
>>> Given that the server manufacturers seem to no longer want to produce 
>>> smaller, cheaper nodes, but only want to sell huge GPU machines, I'm 
>>> contemplating if it actually might not be possible to build a nice 
>>> archive solution on pi:s, spinning disks and a few cards at a good 
>>> price.
>>>
>>> To be continued... as the saying goes.
>>
>>  Yep ... lemme get in and fool with my 5-drive unit
>>  a bit and I'll write a hands-on report. The price
>>  is good enough (the DRIVES are $$$ alas)
> 
> Great! =)
> 
>>  Even without the SATA hat ... you CAN run a number
>>  of external USB 3.x drives from a Pi. Won't be as
>>  quick, but it works OK.
> 
> My plan, if it works, is to pitch this to a company, so I think the USB 
> way, although ok for home use, would not be accepted. =(
> 
>>  And yea, I know what you mean about everybody trending
>>  towards "overkill" boxes/systems. Better $ margin I guess.
>>  Still no shortage of motherboards - so you can build
>>  your own "appropriate" boxes.
> 
> This is the truth! I wonder if it would be possible to 3d print boxes 
> for custom components at a good price? If the pi-road works, I could 
> imagine a nice custom printed part of the chassi to enable nice plug and 
> pray replacement of pi:s! Just pull out a pi module, replace, and go! =)
> 
>>  For an NAS, it's the drive speeds that are kinda the
>>  limiting factor, so even a 'slow' motherboard won't
>>  hurt anything. It's all I/O-bound.
> 
> As long as the reads and writes are taken care of I'm planning on using 
> some software defined storage solution to help me handle that. Maybe the 
> solution is to add a ssd as a cache or something, or split the data to 
> be written across several spinning disks. What worries me with flaky 
> storage is massive rebuilds.
> 
> Hmm, is there a way to get Pi:s on a 10 Gb network? Or are they limited 
> to 1 Gb only?
> 
>>  The popular Sinology canned NAS units - 4/6/8/12 drive
>>  units with multiple network plugs - all use basically
>>  laptop-grade 'Celeron' grade processors.
> 
> Synology are trying to enter the enterprise market! I encountered them 
> in a discussion with a university where they proposed to store 1 PB on 
> their biggest product. Since they use some kind of linux inside, they 
> had all kinds of weird limitations on the nr of files in the same 
> directory etc. Very strange, but it was enough to point at the 
> limitations to get the university to drop them like a hot potato! In the 
> end I did not win, because my customer references where too honest (it's 
> a great solution) vs the competition who obviously orchestrated their 
> customers (it's like having a friend who does everything for you, I 
> never touch the storage, the vendor does anything I ask). =( Well, let's 
> see how happy they are once the signature is on the dotted line.

   I had good luck with Sinology units. Enough features
   plus some perks. Software updates maybe every two or
   three months. Fair selection of software add-ons.

   They DO use some kind of Linux ... had to write a few
   little scripts and Python bits. Do NOT put those in
   the system parts of the drive or they'll be overwritten
   on your next update. I just made a share and kept my
   little system tweaks there. The GUI supports setting up
   on-boot/timed/conditional calls to scripts and stuff.

   Attached an external USB to the unit and ran a pgm to
   do backups of the Most Important stuff every night.
   For extra security I had it attach the USB drive
   just before starting and then disconnect it a little
   bit later - nothing for Vlad to see. The USB ports
   were like /dev/bus/040 or something - took a little
   while to FIND them. Python had enough to emulate
   plugging-in the drive and then un-plugging it.
   Not sure I have that code anymore alas ... I'm
   gonna dump a lot of backup sticks to my Pi NAS
   when it's ready so maybe I'll find it.




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#64500

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-01-17 10:20 +0100
Message-ID<c5566698-c773-f380-c7f9-f07533de2a88@example.net>
In reply to#64469

On Thu, 17 Jan 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 16/01/2025 10:58, D wrote:
>>>> This is the truth! I've seen it in a few laptops. But I don't know if they
>>>> are energy efficient enough to make a huge difference. I get about 14 hours
>>>> or so from my 1.5 year old laptop. If arm would bump that to 25 I'd
>>>> seriously consider one! But last time I had a look, 1.5 years ago, the
>>>> battery time on arm laptops was far from impressive.
>>>
>>> There is some limit in terms of how much charge needs to get moved around
>>> how many transistors of at least a given size that relates ultimate MIPS per
>>> watt to a figure independent of architecture.
>>>
>>> The original ARM used very few transistors and an extremely well optimised
>>> instruction set to get the performance that it did at such low power.
>>>
>>> Arguably it is now in the same ballpark as a late model INTEL *86 or even
>>> RISC chip.
>>
>> This would correspond well with what I see in the market. It's a shame.
>> I'd like to see a cpu focused on low power consumption since laptops don't
>> need all the power they have today for regular day to day use. I'd much
>> rather have a slow laptop that lasts me 30-40 hours, than a monster that
>> runs out of power after 8 hours.
>
> ARM SoCs for "ultra-low power" exist for things like smart watches,
> laptop makers just don't use them. Note that the big screen on a
> laptop is a major power draw too, although a very niche product
> using a large eInk display with some of the new partial-update and
> colour features might be useful for some people.

Very interesting. Thank you for the information. As for eInk I haven't 
(yet) seen one that would be able to keep up with videos. If such a thing 
exists, it would be awesome!

When I buy laptops I always try to get the lowest resolution I can, as 
well as to avoid touch screen, in order to increase the battery life.

> Finding the minimum-power ARM chip able to run Linux would be an
> interesting exercise. I gather Linux requires a minimum set of ARM
> extensions, as well as an MMU, which may exclude many of the SoC
> options intended for embedded applications. Software is as much of
> the problem as hardware.

I wonder if linux + modern work such as spreadsheets and audio/video calls 
would be possible on those minimum-power ARM chips or if they are too 
slow?

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#64515

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-01-17 10:33 +0000
Message-ID<vmdbmh$8tl$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64500
On 17/01/2025 09:20, D wrote:
> I wonder if linux + modern work such as spreadsheets and audio/video 
> calls would be possible on those minimum-power ARM chips or if they are 
> too slow?

I do not know how true this is, but by suspicion is that if you could 
take a Pi and underclock it by about 1000, it might prove alarmingly 
economical

Speradsheets would be no problem but processing video takes a shit load 
of CPU.

-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#64524

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-01-17 16:46 +0100
Message-ID<901ce06c-7685-6af8-de05-b5ccc7e29b43@example.net>
In reply to#64515

On Fri, 17 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 17/01/2025 09:20, D wrote:
>> I wonder if linux + modern work such as spreadsheets and audio/video calls 
>> would be possible on those minimum-power ARM chips or if they are too slow?
>
> I do not know how true this is, but by suspicion is that if you could take a 
> Pi and underclock it by about 1000, it might prove alarmingly economical
>
> Speradsheets would be no problem but processing video takes a shit load of 
> CPU.

Yes, this is the truth! And as web camera resolutions increase, it gets 
worse and worse.

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#64542

Fromnot@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Date2025-01-18 07:45 +1000
Message-ID<678acf95@news.ausics.net>
In reply to#64500
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> ARM SoCs for "ultra-low power" exist for things like smart watches,
>> laptop makers just don't use them. Note that the big screen on a
>> laptop is a major power draw too, although a very niche product
>> using a large eInk display with some of the new partial-update and
>> colour features might be useful for some people.
> 
> Very interesting. Thank you for the information. As for eInk I haven't 
> (yet) seen one that would be able to keep up with videos. If such a thing 
> exists, it would be awesome!

No way with videos, but then I very rarely view them on a laptop
anyway, so I'm more interested in things like reading/writing to
Usenet. I gather the writing part has previously been shaky because
eInk displays update slower than people type, but new ones can
update one section of the display faster than refreshing the whole
display, so you might be able to practically update around the
cursor posiiton without such excessive lag.

> When I buy laptops I always try to get the lowest resolution I can, as 
> well as to avoid touch screen, in order to increase the battery life.

I'd have thought that most power is used to generate the light
(from an OLED display or LCD backlight), so screen size would be
more related to power usage than resolution.

>> Finding the minimum-power ARM chip able to run Linux would be an
>> interesting exercise. I gather Linux requires a minimum set of ARM
>> extensions, as well as an MMU, which may exclude many of the SoC
>> options intended for embedded applications. Software is as much of
>> the problem as hardware.
> 
> I wonder if linux + modern work such as spreadsheets and audio/video calls 
> would be possible on those minimum-power ARM chips or if they are too 
> slow?

Well many are faster than the Pentium 1 PC I'm posting from now.
Clock speeds of 250MHz for example, while using a fraction of the
power from something like a Raspberry Pi Zero. This PC can do
spreadsheets and probably low-fi audio calls, but not video.

This is my thinking in saying the inability to use these
ultra-low-power SoC chips for more general computing is a software
problem. Unlike microcontrollers of old, these ARM-based things are
matching and exceeding the specs of this PC that I'm using. The
difference is that you can build most Linux software to run on a
Pentium 1 with one compiler argument, but it appears to be
difficult to build for these chips, and existing work is geared
towards running a custom, or at least customised, programs.

After thirty years minimum-power processors seem to have caught up
with the minimum level of processing speed that I regularly find
use for. Only by the fact that the architecture is wrong for
existing software does that preclude me taking advantage of this
advancement, because I don't want to try and rewrite tons of common
x86 software to run on these embedded architectures.

RAM is also a limitation, and since it's locked inside these SoCs
you can't expand it. Again projects like Contiki OS chew up vastly
less RAM than Linux while still offering networked applications and
a graphical environment (in the old version).

-- 
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#64560

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-01-18 11:45 +0100
Message-ID<46d7222e-9c04-9210-9d75-a397561f7078@example.net>
In reply to#64542

On Fri, 18 Jan 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> ARM SoCs for "ultra-low power" exist for things like smart watches,
>>> laptop makers just don't use them. Note that the big screen on a
>>> laptop is a major power draw too, although a very niche product
>>> using a large eInk display with some of the new partial-update and
>>> colour features might be useful for some people.
>>
>> Very interesting. Thank you for the information. As for eInk I haven't
>> (yet) seen one that would be able to keep up with videos. If such a thing
>> exists, it would be awesome!
>
> No way with videos, but then I very rarely view them on a laptop
> anyway, so I'm more interested in things like reading/writing to
> Usenet. I gather the writing part has previously been shaky because
> eInk displays update slower than people type, but new ones can
> update one section of the display faster than refreshing the whole
> display, so you might be able to practically update around the
> cursor posiiton without such excessive lag.
>
>> When I buy laptops I always try to get the lowest resolution I can, as
>> well as to avoid touch screen, in order to increase the battery life.
>
> I'd have thought that most power is used to generate the light
> (from an OLED display or LCD backlight), so screen size would be
> more related to power usage than resolution.

My thinking was more pixels to update, more loads on the computer, coupled 
with some power to handle the touch aspect as well. But you are probably 
right. As for screen size, my favourite form factor is 11.6" which does 
not exist any longer. =( Only 13.3 inch or 14 now for general use laptops.

>>> Finding the minimum-power ARM chip able to run Linux would be an
>>> interesting exercise. I gather Linux requires a minimum set of ARM
>>> extensions, as well as an MMU, which may exclude many of the SoC
>>> options intended for embedded applications. Software is as much of
>>> the problem as hardware.
>>
>> I wonder if linux + modern work such as spreadsheets and audio/video calls
>> would be possible on those minimum-power ARM chips or if they are too
>> slow?
>
> Well many are faster than the Pentium 1 PC I'm posting from now.
> Clock speeds of 250MHz for example, while using a fraction of the
> power from something like a Raspberry Pi Zero. This PC can do
> spreadsheets and probably low-fi audio calls, but not video.
>
> This is my thinking in saying the inability to use these
> ultra-low-power SoC chips for more general computing is a software
> problem. Unlike microcontrollers of old, these ARM-based things are
> matching and exceeding the specs of this PC that I'm using. The
> difference is that you can build most Linux software to run on a
> Pentium 1 with one compiler argument, but it appears to be
> difficult to build for these chips, and existing work is geared
> towards running a custom, or at least customised, programs.
>
> After thirty years minimum-power processors seem to have caught up
> with the minimum level of processing speed that I regularly find
> use for. Only by the fact that the architecture is wrong for
> existing software does that preclude me taking advantage of this
> advancement, because I don't want to try and rewrite tons of common
> x86 software to run on these embedded architectures.
>
> RAM is also a limitation, and since it's locked inside these SoCs
> you can't expand it. Again projects like Contiki OS chew up vastly
> less RAM than Linux while still offering networked applications and
> a graphical environment (in the old version).
>
>

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#64587

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-01-18 19:26 +0000
Message-ID<lv2dj5FouuaU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#64560
On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 11:45:21 +0100, D wrote:

> My thinking was more pixels to update, more loads on the computer,
> coupled with some power to handle the touch aspect as well. But you are
> probably right. As for screen size, my favourite form factor is 11.6"
> which does not exist any longer. =( Only 13.3 inch or 14 now for general
> use laptops.

I have one from the netbook era that is running Lubuntu. I also have a Eee 
PC that is even smaller. The manufacturers were feeling their way around 
looking for a size between laptops and tablets and that form factor lost. 

We bought some 10" tablets for development and they seemed awkward to me. 
The netbook wasn't that much bigger and had a real keyboard. 

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#64597

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-01-19 11:42 +0100
Message-ID<8f8b7762-d553-0429-c679-5d4a82b7e7c6@example.net>
In reply to#64587

On Sat, 18 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 11:45:21 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> My thinking was more pixels to update, more loads on the computer,
>> coupled with some power to handle the touch aspect as well. But you are
>> probably right. As for screen size, my favourite form factor is 11.6"
>> which does not exist any longer. =( Only 13.3 inch or 14 now for general
>> use laptops.
>
> I have one from the netbook era that is running Lubuntu. I also have a Eee
> PC that is even smaller. The manufacturers were feeling their way around
> looking for a size between laptops and tablets and that form factor lost.
>
> We bought some 10" tablets for development and they seemed awkward to me.
> The netbook wasn't that much bigger and had a real keyboard.

I remember the Eee PC. It was very cute! People always asked me how I 
could stand working on a 11.6" laptop (Macbook air), but I kind of got 
used to it.

I get strength from the fact that Linus Torvalds at one point in time also 
proclaimed that the Macbook air 11.6" was the perfect form factor for him!

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#64611

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-01-19 19:03 +0000
Message-ID<lv50k2F7e8lU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#64597
On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:42:25 +0100, D wrote:

> I remember the Eee PC. It was very cute! People always asked me how I
> could stand working on a 11.6" laptop (Macbook air), but I kind of got
> used to it.

I wanted something I could throw into a motorcycle saddlebag and not worry 
about so I snapped one up when they came out. I sidelined it when it 
couldn't handle WSA2. Last year I put Q4OS on it.

https://q4os.org/

It took a couple of tries when I got too greedy with what I selected for 
the install. Trinity worked. The original Xandros distro is discontinued.

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#64617

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-01-19 23:08 +0100
Message-ID<29c4efba-398f-3160-186f-d0f1949934d9@example.net>
In reply to#64611

On Sun, 19 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:42:25 +0100, D wrote:
>
>> I remember the Eee PC. It was very cute! People always asked me how I
>> could stand working on a 11.6" laptop (Macbook air), but I kind of got
>> used to it.
>
> I wanted something I could throw into a motorcycle saddlebag and not worry
> about so I snapped one up when they came out. I sidelined it when it
> couldn't handle WSA2. Last year I put Q4OS on it.
>
> https://q4os.org/
>
> It took a couple of tries when I got too greedy with what I selected for
> the install. Trinity worked. The original Xandros distro is discontinued.

I love the fact that old computers are still perfectly usable today! Sadly 
the batteries on my (or now, my fathers) two macbook airs are too bad for 
me to use them for business.

One of them now serves as an audio player with some kind of USB amplifier 
thing my father bought in a hifi-store so it can drive his speakers. Works 
great!

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#64621

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2025-01-19 18:52 -0500
Message-ID<DySdnfChi-XtDRD6nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#64617
On 1/19/25 5:08 PM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:42:25 +0100, D wrote:
>>
>>> I remember the Eee PC. It was very cute! People always asked me how I
>>> could stand working on a 11.6" laptop (Macbook air), but I kind of got
>>> used to it.
>>
>> I wanted something I could throw into a motorcycle saddlebag and not 
>> worry
>> about so I snapped one up when they came out. I sidelined it when it
>> couldn't handle WSA2. Last year I put Q4OS on it.
>>
>> https://q4os.org/
>>
>> It took a couple of tries when I got too greedy with what I selected for
>> the install. Trinity worked. The original Xandros distro is discontinued.
> 
> I love the fact that old computers are still perfectly usable today! 
> Sadly the batteries on my (or now, my fathers) two macbook airs are too 
> bad for me to use them for business.
> 
> One of them now serves as an audio player with some kind of USB 
> amplifier thing my father bought in a hifi-store so it can drive his 
> speakers. Works great!


   An "old/weak" WINDOWS laptop becomes a perfectly good
   LINUX laptop. So, don't be in a huge hurry to put yer
   old tech into the bin. It can live on.

   Mac ... um ... you're probably stuck with their OS - but
   even then they can be relegated to 2nd-tier services.

   Batteries ... check around. It's surprising how many odd
   laptop batts you can find. Had to replace one in an old
   laptop recently and the name-brand batt was on Amazon at
   a good price.

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#64625

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-01-20 09:08 +0000
Message-ID<vml3qf$30ig3$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64621
On 19/01/2025 23:52, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> An "old/weak" WINDOWS laptop becomes a perfectly good
>    LINUX laptop. So, don't be in a huge hurry to put yer
>    old tech into the bin. It can live on.
> 
Yes, but it wiill still be slow, have a limited screen and gobble electrons

>    Mac ... um ... you're probably stuck with their OS - but
>    even then they can be relegated to 2nd-tier services.
> 
Macs run Linux OK.

>    Batteries ... check around. It's surprising how many odd
>    laptop batts you can find. Had to replace one in an old
>    laptop recently and the name-brand batt was on Amazon at
>    a good price.

Yes. They are only batteries.

-- 
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich 
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason 
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

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#64638 — Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmpereComputing

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-01-20 23:29 +0000
SubjectRe: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmpereComputing
Message-ID<vmmm90$3gk1t$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64625
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 09:08:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Yes, but it wiill still be slow, have a limited screen and gobble
> electrons

Just the act of putting Linux on an old machine can often make it feel 
like a new machine.

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#64641 — Re: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmpereComputing

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2025-01-20 20:26 -0500
SubjectRe: News : ARM Trying to Buy AmpereComputing
Message-ID<PI2cnb26As1NahP6nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#64638
On 1/20/25 6:29 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 09:08:31 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Yes, but it wiill still be slow, have a limited screen and gobble
>> electrons
> 
> Just the act of putting Linux on an old machine can often make it feel
> like a new machine.

   Indeed !

   Winders is just *WAY TOO* ....

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#64627

FromD <nospam@example.net>
Date2025-01-20 10:36 +0100
Message-ID<ac80cb0b-30e3-d544-552d-41567238dc7f@example.net>
In reply to#64621

On Sun, 19 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 1/19/25 5:08 PM, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:42:25 +0100, D wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I remember the Eee PC. It was very cute! People always asked me how I
>>>> could stand working on a 11.6" laptop (Macbook air), but I kind of got
>>>> used to it.
>>> 
>>> I wanted something I could throw into a motorcycle saddlebag and not worry
>>> about so I snapped one up when they came out. I sidelined it when it
>>> couldn't handle WSA2. Last year I put Q4OS on it.
>>> 
>>> https://q4os.org/
>>> 
>>> It took a couple of tries when I got too greedy with what I selected for
>>> the install. Trinity worked. The original Xandros distro is discontinued.
>> 
>> I love the fact that old computers are still perfectly usable today! Sadly 
>> the batteries on my (or now, my fathers) two macbook airs are too bad for 
>> me to use them for business.
>> 
>> One of them now serves as an audio player with some kind of USB amplifier 
>> thing my father bought in a hifi-store so it can drive his speakers. Works 
>> great!
>
>
>  An "old/weak" WINDOWS laptop becomes a perfectly good
>  LINUX laptop. So, don't be in a huge hurry to put yer
>  old tech into the bin. It can live on.

All of them run linux. I wouldn't touch a windows laptop with a 10 ft 
pole + rubber gloves! ;)

>  Mac ... um ... you're probably stuck with their OS - but
>  even then they can be relegated to 2nd-tier services.

Runs linux. No problem there! =)

>  Batteries ... check around. It's surprising how many odd
>  laptop batts you can find. Had to replace one in an old
>  laptop recently and the name-brand batt was on Amazon at
>  a good price.

This is good advice!

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#64620

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2025-01-19 18:44 -0500
Message-ID<TOSdnTA9MqP0ExD6nZ2dnZfqn_gAAAAA@earthlink.com>
In reply to#64611
On 1/19/25 2:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:42:25 +0100, D wrote:
> 
>> I remember the Eee PC. It was very cute! People always asked me how I
>> could stand working on a 11.6" laptop (Macbook air), but I kind of got
>> used to it.
> 
> I wanted something I could throw into a motorcycle saddlebag and not worry
> about so I snapped one up when they came out. I sidelined it when it
> couldn't handle WSA2. Last year I put Q4OS on it.
> 
> https://q4os.org/
> 
> It took a couple of tries when I got too greedy with what I selected for
> the install. Trinity worked. The original Xandros distro is discontinued.

   Had an eeePC for a long time - very handy. Ran MX.

   Then I dropped it off a ladder while trying to set
   an IP camera ..........   :-(

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#64630

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-20 08:14 -0800
Message-ID<20250120081459.000018e7@gmail.com>
In reply to#64597
On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 11:42:25 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> I remember the Eee PC. It was very cute! People always asked me how I 
> could stand working on a 11.6" laptop (Macbook air), but I kind of
> got used to it.
> 
> I get strength from the fact that Linus Torvalds at one point in time
> also proclaimed that the Macbook air 11.6" was the perfect form
> factor for him!

Still use my Eee 904HA (a 9" model) as a portable typewriter. Nobody
but *nobody* solved the laptop-hinge problem like Asus did on those
first couple Eee generations; solid as a rock.

(Do miss my 12" Thinkpad X201 - just the right size for me, but no
longer viable as a daily driver due to max. RAM issues; unfortunately,
with every single webpage chewing up 50+ MB even with scripts disabled,
you just end up swapping like nobody's business with only 4 GB; the 2nd-
generation i5 doesn't help, either.)

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