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Re: Recent history of vi

Started byThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
First post2025-11-29 11:20 +0000
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  Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-29 11:20 +0000
    Re: Recent history of vi Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-29 12:45 -0700
      Re: Recent history of vi The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:37 +0000
        Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 11:06 +0000
          Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-30 16:20 +0000
            Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-01 08:54 +0000
              Re: Recent history of vi Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-13 08:22 +0000
              Re: Recent history of vi Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 11:55 +0000
                Re: Recent history of vi Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-13 14:44 +0000
                Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 23:35 +0100
                  Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 01:48 +0000
                    Re: Python drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-14 20:00 +0000
                      Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:43 +0000
                      Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 02:40 -0500
                        Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:48 +0000
                        Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 21:43 +0000
                      Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:45 +0000
                    Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:44 +0000
                      Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:17 +0000
                      Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:55 +0000
                        Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:57 +0100
                  Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-13 23:27 -0500
                    Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-14 11:56 +0000
                      Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-14 23:29 +0000
                        Re: Python mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2025-12-15 12:57 +0000
                          Re: Python Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2025-12-15 22:57 +0100
                          Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 22:31 -0500
                            Re: Python Greg Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2025-12-16 17:51 +1300
                              Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 08:32 +0000
                          Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:45 +0000
                            Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 01:54 +0000
                              Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 03:11 -0500
                                Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 19:17 +0000
                                  Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:10 -0500
                                    Re: Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-18 03:28 +0000
                                      Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 23:02 -0500
                                        Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 06:54 +0000
                                          Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-18 04:25 -0500
                                            Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 19:22 +0000
                                              Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 01:14 -0500
                                      Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 06:44 +0000
                                    Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-18 07:40 -0700
                                      Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 18:00 +0000
                                        Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 18:28 +0000
                                        Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-18 12:52 -0700
                                          Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 03:53 +0000
                                        Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:37 -0500
                                        Re: Python "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 10:32 -0600
                                          Re: Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-03-04 20:01 +0000
                                            Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-04 21:29 +0100
                                              Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 20:37 +0000
                                              Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-04 14:09 -0700
                                                Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-04 22:35 +0000
                                                  Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 23:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-04 20:30 -0500
                                                  Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-03-04 20:13 -0700
                                                    Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-05 03:49 +0000
                                                    Re: Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-05 17:42 +0000
                                                      Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-03-05 20:02 +0100
                                                        Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-05 14:42 -0500
                                                        Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-06 00:12 +0000
                                                          Re: Python Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2026-03-06 09:02 +0000
                                                Re: Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-05 02:44 +0000
                                                  Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-05 03:50 +0000
                                              Re: Python Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> - 2026-03-04 22:14 +0100
                                                Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-04 22:20 +0000
                                      Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:29 -0500
                                      Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-20 12:38 +0100
                            Re: Python Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-12-17 16:17 -0500
                              Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:11 +0000
                                Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-17 22:18 -0500
                                  Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 07:07 +0000
                              Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:13 +0000
                                Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 00:52 +0000
                                  Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-18 08:03 +0100
                                    Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 07:39 +0000
                                      Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-18 15:43 +0000
                                        Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 18:38 +0000
                                          Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 00:56 -0500
                                            Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 08:18 +0000
                                              Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-19 03:30 -0500
                                                Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:38 +0000
                                                  Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:01 -0500
                                                    Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:08 +0000
                                                      Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 22:36 +0100
                                    Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:55 +0000
                                      Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-18 11:19 +0100
                                        Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 12:36 +0000
                      Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-14 23:36 -0500
                        Re: Python candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-19 13:30 +0000
                          Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-19 19:50 +0000
                            Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-19 20:03 +0000
                              Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 21:00 +0000
                                Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:16 -0500
                              Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 04:15 -0500
                                Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:14 +0000
                                  Re: Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-21 09:06 -0500
                                    Re: Python drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2025-12-21 18:31 +0000
                                    Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 21:00 +0000
                                      Re: Python Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-12-22 07:29 +0100
                                      Linux at work in the old days Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-12-22 07:20 -0500
                                        Re: Linux at work in the old days rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-22 19:18 +0000
                                          Re: Linux at work in the old days c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:41 -0500
                                            Re: Linux at work in the old days Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-23 07:26 -0700
                                              Re: Linux at work in the old days Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-23 20:21 +0000
                                      Re: naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-22 21:26 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 00:49 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 01:55 -0500
                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 11:21 +0000
                                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-23 06:34 -0500
                                              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-23 12:38 +0000
                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 20:28 +0000
                                                Re: naughty Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-23 14:21 -0800
                                                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 23:55 +0000
                                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 05:33 -0500
                                                      The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-24 15:49 +0000
                                                        Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
                                                          Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-12-27 15:29 +0100
                                                            Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-27 21:21 +0000
                                                              Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-27 23:17 +0000
                                                                Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-28 04:09 +0000
                                                                Re: The power of languages (Re: naughty Python) Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2025-12-28 18:00 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:22 +0100
                                                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:06 -0500
                                                          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 04:04 +0000
                                                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:07 -0500
                                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 06:38 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 02:31 -0500
                                                                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 17:09 +0000
                                                              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:35 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:33 -0700
                                                                  Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:59 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 15:40 -0800
                                                                      Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 01:30 +0000
                                                                        Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 08:57 -0800
                                                                          Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:51 -0500
                                                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:00 +0000
                                                                          Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:06 +0000
                                                                      Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:38 +0100
                                                                      Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:11 +0000
                                                                        Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-30 07:38 -0700
                                                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 15:04 +0000
                                                                            Innovation (was Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-30 21:40 +0000
                                                                        Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 22:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 19:23 -0700
                                                                      Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 03:53 +0000
                                                                        OT: incompetence of companies (was: Re: naughty Python) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 10:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT: incompetence of companies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:12 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:14 -0500
                                                                      Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:18 +0000
                                                                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 21:49 +0000
                                                                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 19:47 -0500
                                                                          Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 01:01 +0000
                                                                            Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 03:07 +0000
                                                                              Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:45 -0500
                                                                                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:12 +0000
                                                                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:11 -0500
                                                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:57 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:13 -0500
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:13 +0000
                                                                              Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:21 -0500
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 22:34 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:32 -0500
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:35 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:07 -0500
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:49 +0000
                                                                                        Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 07:28 -0700
                                                                                          Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 15:55 +0100
                                                                                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:40 -0500
                                                                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:29 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:18 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 22:22 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:31 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:12 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:56 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-01-04 09:22 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:16 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 21:00 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:11 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 10:49 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:57 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:37 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:10 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:21 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:28 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:04 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 14:22 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:47 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 02:00 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 22:37 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:56 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-08 09:57 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:57 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-07 09:41 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 10:29 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:33 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:42 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:01 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:45 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 18:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:11 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:27 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-08 19:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 18:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 22:15 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 20:13 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 22:23 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:04 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 07:42 -0700
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                                                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-10 18:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:50 -0800
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                                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 12:14 -0500
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                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 20:51 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 17:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:46 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 03:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 22:58 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-13 07:41 -0700
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                                                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:00 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Naughty Cat Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 14:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty Cat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty Cat Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-14 07:27 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 19:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Tinned tuna [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:58 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Oil down the drain [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:53 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:57 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:41 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 22:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 01:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-16 21:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2026-01-18 12:30 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 21:08 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:25 -0800
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                                                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-13 04:35 -0600
                                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 15:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 09:36 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-09 09:19 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:55 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:46 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 18:48 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:31 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:18 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:42 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:27 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 22:32 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:53 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:51 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:20 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:15 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:33 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:20 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:14 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 12:33 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:50 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 13:37 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:19 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:30 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:04 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:30 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:40 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:47 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:36 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:00 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:33 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:21 +0000
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                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 23:52 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:03 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:51 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:38 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:03 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 19:21 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 02:26 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 23:20 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:20 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:34 -0800
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                                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:57 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 14:43 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:15 -0500
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                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:56 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 19:28 -0700
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                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:52 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:35 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:16 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 20:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:58 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-10 03:12 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 00:02 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:04 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:54 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:36 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:40 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:50 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:00 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:00 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:31 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:49 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:43 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:47 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 00:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 18:41 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 03:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-11 05:55 -0600
                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-11 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-11 17:00 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:52 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 17:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 20:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 20:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 06:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 14:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 17:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 23:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 23:34 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-12 02:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:50 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 09:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:12 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-12 14:48 -0600
                                                                                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:48 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-11 01:32 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:21 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:22 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:41 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:42 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:33 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:58 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:27 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:54 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:40 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:09 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:10 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:46 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:19 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 12:39 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:44 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 19:57 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:53 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:17 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:06 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 23:44 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:57 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:56 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:08 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:21 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:41 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:26 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:59 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 21:00 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 20:09 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 02:02 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:05 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:15 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:31 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:39 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:25 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 20:35 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:25 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:00 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 14:51 -0700
                                                                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:00 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 21:43 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 23:54 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 20:14 -0700
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:03 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 05:59 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 06:01 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 06:58 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 17:14 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:58 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 21:11 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:37 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:04 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:24 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:51 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 10:59 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:27 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:54 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:57 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 07:10 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:34 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:38 +0100
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 08:49 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:26 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:08 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:32 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:08 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-03 02:47 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:03 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:43 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:42 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:29 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:14 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 09:43 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:18 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 19:04 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:55 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:29 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:59 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:55 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 20:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:19 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 08:26 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:48 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 12:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 11:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 16:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 13:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 23:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 00:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 21:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-08 01:00 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 10:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 15:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 12:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 11:40 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:36 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                  What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 15:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 01:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) sean@conman.org - 2026-01-09 00:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 04:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 06:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 18:59 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:26 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:34 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 08:24 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:06 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:50 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:03 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:11 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-01-07 12:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Naughty Java (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:09 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:31 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:04 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:25 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 15:47 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 09:20 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:10 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 23:28 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:14 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:14 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 11:03 -0800
                                                                                                                                          Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 09:00 -0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-07 12:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 20:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 20:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:29 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:21 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 18:13 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 19:48 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:37 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:17 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:01 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 07:07 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:05 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-03 18:32 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:33 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 15:00 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:52 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 19:51 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-03 06:09 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:38 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 16:58 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 08:01 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 16:25 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:12 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 07:14 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-04 20:25 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:59 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 16:31 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 20:05 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:17 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:20 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:35 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:36 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-06 03:31 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:20 +0000
                                                                                                                      Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:02 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 00:27 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 02:09 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 22:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Case-dependent file systems Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-10 14:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Case-dependent file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 15:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 02:00 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Case-dependent file systems Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 16:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Case-dependant file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 23:09 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Case-dependant file systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:17 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Case-dependant file systems The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 13:36 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:05 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:15 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Case-dependant file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:02 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:13 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Case-dependant file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:12 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 21:08 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: C structures, was naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 22:41 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: C structures, was naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 15:44 -0800
                                                                                          Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:19 -0500
                                                                                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:08 -0500
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 21:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 20:07 -0500
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:17 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 00:06 -0500
                                                                                        Re: language design, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:30 +0000
                                                                                          Re: language design, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:15 -0500
                                                                                            Re: language design, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: language design, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:17 +0000
                                                                                              Re: language design, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:11 -0500
                                                                                                Re: language design, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:46 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: language design, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:45 -0500
                                                                          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:05 +0000
                                                                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:42 -0500
                                                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:12 -0500
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:03 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:50 -0500
                                                                              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:39 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:21 -0500
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 15:08 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 15:38 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:41 +0000
                                                                                        Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 00:55 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:11 -0500
                                                                                            Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:09 +0000
                                                                                              The Egg (was: Re: naughty Python) vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-02 01:54 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:10 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:39 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 07:51 -0700
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:34 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:12 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:17 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 11:46 -0500
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:28 +0000
                                                                                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 21:50 -0500
                                                                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:37 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 01:15 -0500
                                                                                              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:35 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 20:02 +0000
                                                                            Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:23 +0000
                                                                              Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:16 -0500
                                                                            Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 10:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:00 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:12 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 20:10 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:37 +0100
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:23 +0000
                                                                                        Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 04:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:24 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:32 +0000
                                                                                        Re: naughty Python "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-01-02 13:06 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 09:41 -0500
                                                                                            Electronic calculators "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:36 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:57 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:07 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:36 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-03 08:50 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 10:54 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-03 07:39 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 14:22 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:14 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:57 -0700
                                                                                        Re: naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-03 18:34 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:47 +0100
                                                                                        Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:27 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-03 14:24 +0100
                                                                                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 14:08 -0500
                                                                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:48 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:01 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 02:53 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:24 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 05:04 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 13:15 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:44 -0500
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 07:43 -0700
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 10:06 -0500
                                                                                Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 17:41 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:04 -0500
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-03 08:01 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 20:56 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:44 +0000
                                                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 20:05 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 15:27 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:21 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-03 02:12 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-03 03:15 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:25 -0500
                                                                              Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-01 23:35 -0500
                                                                                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:35 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:13 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:46 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:58 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:03 +0000
                                                                                        Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:34 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:54 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:19 +0100
                                                                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:26 -0500
                                                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:17 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:27 +0100
                                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:34 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 09:53 -0800
                                                            Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:37 +0100
                                                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 02:56 -0500
                                                          Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-30 18:53 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-12-29 04:43 +0000
                                                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:22 -0500
                                                        Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:34 +0100
                                                    Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:41 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-24 23:28 +0000
                                                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-24 21:30 -0500
                                                          Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-25 22:05 +0000
                                                            Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-25 22:20 -0500
                                                              Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-26 07:02 +0000
                                                                Re: Intellectuals (Re: naughty Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-26 02:16 -0500
                                                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:40 +0000
                                                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-24 12:32 +0000
                                  Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-27 22:40 +0100
                                    Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-27 23:21 +0000
                                    Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 02:05 +0100
                                    Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-27 18:16 -0800
                                      Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 04:59 +0100
                                        Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-28 08:32 -0800
                                      Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 13:48 +0100
                                        Re: Python dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2025-12-28 14:14 +0100
                                      Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 14:42 +0100
                                    Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-28 17:41 +0000
                                      Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 22:11 +0100
                                        Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-28 22:06 +0000
                                          Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-28 23:30 +0100
                                            Re: Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 10:47 +0000
                                              Re: Python Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-12-29 11:11 +0000
                                              Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-04 14:15 +0000
                                                Re: Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 16:34 +0000
                                          Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-28 21:23 -0500
                                            Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 04:15 +0000
                                              Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:17 -0500
                                                Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 06:40 +0000
                                                  Re: Python Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-28 23:20 -0800
                                                    Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 10:42 +0000
                                                      Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:31 -0700
                                                        Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 15:52 +0000
                                                        Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 11:12 -0500
                                                          Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 20:48 +0000
                                                            Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 02:58 -0500
                                                              Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 10:03 +0000
                                                                Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:06 +0000
                                                        Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 17:28 +0000
                                                          Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:50 +0100
                                                            Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:06 +0000
                                                          Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 01:13 -0500
                                                            Re: Python Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-30 08:08 +0000
                                                              Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:14 +0000
                                                                Re: Python Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-12-30 12:43 +0000
                                                                Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 17:34 +0000
                                                                  Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 15:55 -0500
                                                                    Re: one time pads, not Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 04:55 +0000
                                                                      Re: one time pads, not Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 09:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: one time pads, not Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:45 -0500
                                                                        Re: one time pads, not Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 20:59 +0000
                                                                          Re: one time pads, not Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:17 +0000
                                                                            Re: one time pads, not Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:26 +0000
                                                                              Re: one time pads, not Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 11:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: one time pads, not Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:56 +0000
                                                                      Re: one time pads, not Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:14 -0500
                                                            Re: Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-12-30 18:46 +0000
                                                              Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 15:43 -0500
                                                        Re: “Quantum” Computing (was Re: Python) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:56 +0000
                                                          Re: “Quantum” Computing (was Re: Python) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:17 -0500
                                                    Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 17:15 +0000
                                                  Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 02:52 -0500
                                                    Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:40 +0000
                                                    Re: Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:29 -0700
                                                      Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 16:27 +0000
                          Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-20 02:52 -0500
                            Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-21 04:00 +0000
                              Re: Python candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-23 16:00 +0000
                                Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-23 20:30 +0000
                                  Re: Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-12-23 21:14 +0000
                        Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 20:57 +0000
                          Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 22:09 +0000
                            Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-20 05:37 +0000
                            Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-20 10:34 +0000
                            Re: Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 11:45 +0000
                              Re: Python Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-20 13:32 +0000
                              Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:36 +0000
                                Re: Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-20 16:37 +0000
                    Re: Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:16 +0100
                      Re: Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-15 00:45 -0500
                    Re: Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 18:55 +0000
                      Re: Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 22:39 +0000
                      Re: Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 23:53 +0000
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#80703 — Re: Naughty C♯

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-07 21:24 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<ms818gFb1hnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80643
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 21:00:25 -0500, c186282 wrote:

>    Clearly the GCC collection is More Complicated than I thought.

Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth it was the GNU C Compiler. Then it 
learned new tricks. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Register_transfer_language

However Stallman was more interested in developing emacs so people who 
wanted to move faster forked EGCS. Getting improvements ported to GCC was 
painful given King Stallman's control. GCC was the prime example in 
Raymond's 'The Cathedral & The Bazaar'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar

Raymond and Stallman have been taking shots at each other ever since.  
Anyway, Stallman gave up and the EGCS group took over GCC, which was an 
improvement. There were a few speed bumps. In 2000 Red Hat released GCC 
2.97, which wasn't an official release and didn't work. It couldn't 
compile the kernel so Red Hat had a separate program for that. They also 
released a homegrown Python implementation that broke scripts. That fiasco 
is why I shunned RH for 25 years. Fedora is working well and seldom breaks 
stuff.

 
>    But I'm still not sure I'll call them 'compilers'
>    in the older sense of the word. Some intermediate term is required.

That would be RTL. Microsoft's CIL is similar but depends on a runtime. 
CLang//LLVM is another approach which overlaps GCC. fwiw I have both on 
this box. 

IRs have been used for a long, long time.

https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/2480741.2480743

Some light reading:

https://archive.org/details/principlesofcomp0000ahoa/mode/2up







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#80715 — Re: Naughty C♯

Fromantispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
Date2026-01-08 01:00 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jmvig$1na4j$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#80703
In alt.folklore.computers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 21:00:25 -0500, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    Clearly the GCC collection is More Complicated than I thought.
> 
> Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth it was the GNU C Compiler. Then it 
> learned new tricks. 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Register_transfer_language
> 
<snip>
>  
>>    But I'm still not sure I'll call them 'compilers'
>>    in the older sense of the word. Some intermediate term is required.
> 
> That would be RTL. Microsoft's CIL is similar but depends on a runtime. 
> CLang//LLVM is another approach which overlaps GCC. fwiw I have both on 
> this box. 
> 
> IRs have been used for a long, long time.
> 
> https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/2480741.2480743
> 
> Some light reading:
> 
> https://archive.org/details/principlesofcomp0000ahoa/mode/2up

RTL is old thing.  It is still used in gcc, but about 20 years
ago gcc introduced GIMPLE and IIUC it is now used for main
processing.  Front ends do what they want, then this is
conveted to GIMPLE, optimizers work on GIMPLE, and finally
GIMPLE is converted to RTL which is used to generate assebly.
The point here is that most of work is in optimizers, they
are language independent and mostly target independent
(there is a buch of target macros that affects work of
optimizers).

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch

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#80652 — Re: Naughty C♯

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<f7n7R.1472890$79B9.219542@fx14.iad>
In reply to#80634
On 2026-01-06, Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> wrote:

> In alt.folklore.computers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/6/26 07:16, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.folklore.computers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>    Hmm ... look at all the GNU 'compilers' -
>>>>    FORTRAN, COBOL, Ada, 'D', M2, Rust,C++,
>>>>    G++, even Algol-68. None are 'compilers'
>>>>    per-se, but to-'C' TRANSLATORS. So, 'C',
>>>>    pretty much All Are One And One Is All.
>>> 
>>> No.  Compiler as first stage translate given language to a
>>> common representation.  This representatiton is different
>>> than C.  Ada and GNU Pascal have parametrized types, there
>>> is nothing like that in C.  C++ (and some other languages)
>>> have exceptions, C do not have them.  There are several
>>> smaller things, for example Ada or Pascal modulo is different
>>> that C/Fortran modulo.  During optimization passes gcc
>>> keeps such information, to allow better optimization and
>>> error reporting.
>>> 
>>> There were/are compilers that work by translating to C.  But
>>> this has limitations: generated code typically is worse because
>>> language specific information is lost in translation.  Error
>>> reporting is worse because translator is not doing as many
>>> analyzes as gcc do.  For those reasons compilers in gcc
>>> generate common representation which contains sum of features
>>> of all supported languages and not C.
>> 
>>   You give it a file in whatever lang, it produces
>>   a file in 'C' and compiles that.
>
> No, if you looked at what compilers in gcc are doing you
> will see that there are no intemediate C file.  There
> is intermediate assembler, but between source file and
> assembler each compiler work independently

Still, Bjarne Stroustrup's first implementation of C++
was a program called cfront, which translated C++ to C.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#80682 — Re: Naughty C♯

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-01-07 15:27 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<AXu7R.1062261$u2q8.729455@fx11.iad>
In reply to#80652
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>On 2026-01-06, Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> wrote:
>
>> In alt.folklore.computers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/6/26 07:16, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>>
>>>> In alt.folklore.computers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>    Hmm ... look at all the GNU 'compilers' -
>>>>>    FORTRAN, COBOL, Ada, 'D', M2, Rust,C++,
>>>>>    G++, even Algol-68. None are 'compilers'
>>>>>    per-se, but to-'C' TRANSLATORS. So, 'C',
>>>>>    pretty much All Are One And One Is All.
>>>> 
>>>> No.  Compiler as first stage translate given language to a
>>>> common representation.  This representatiton is different
>>>> than C.  Ada and GNU Pascal have parametrized types, there
>>>> is nothing like that in C.  C++ (and some other languages)
>>>> have exceptions, C do not have them.  There are several
>>>> smaller things, for example Ada or Pascal modulo is different
>>>> that C/Fortran modulo.  During optimization passes gcc
>>>> keeps such information, to allow better optimization and
>>>> error reporting.
>>>> 
>>>> There were/are compilers that work by translating to C.  But
>>>> this has limitations: generated code typically is worse because
>>>> language specific information is lost in translation.  Error
>>>> reporting is worse because translator is not doing as many
>>>> analyzes as gcc do.  For those reasons compilers in gcc
>>>> generate common representation which contains sum of features
>>>> of all supported languages and not C.
>>> 
>>>   You give it a file in whatever lang, it produces
>>>   a file in 'C' and compiles that.
>>
>> No, if you looked at what compilers in gcc are doing you
>> will see that there are no intemediate C file.  There
>> is intermediate assembler, but between source file and
>> assembler each compiler work independently
>
>Still, Bjarne Stroustrup's first implementation of C++
>was a program called cfront, which translated C++ to C.

Rather ugly C, at that.   I had to fix a bug in PCC[*] caused
by the excessive use of the comma operator in the cfront
generated C code.

[*] Exhausted the temp registers generating the expression. Had
to add sethi-ullman temp register allocation algorithm to PCC
(generating code for the Motorola 88100) to handle the spills.

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#80704 — Re: Naughty C♯

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-07 21:29 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<ms81i9Fb1hnU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80682
On Wed, 07 Jan 2026 15:27:28 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>On 2026-01-06, Waldek Hebisch <antispam@fricas.org> wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.folklore.computers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/6/26 07:16, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In alt.folklore.computers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: <snip>
>>>>>>    Hmm ... look at all the GNU 'compilers' -
>>>>>>    FORTRAN, COBOL, Ada, 'D', M2, Rust,C++, G++, even Algol-68. None
>>>>>>    are 'compilers' per-se, but to-'C' TRANSLATORS. So, 'C', pretty
>>>>>>    much All Are One And One Is All.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No.  Compiler as first stage translate given language to a common
>>>>> representation.  This representatiton is different than C.  Ada and
>>>>> GNU Pascal have parametrized types, there is nothing like that in C.
>>>>>  C++ (and some other languages) have exceptions, C do not have them.
>>>>>  There are several smaller things, for example Ada or Pascal modulo
>>>>> is different that C/Fortran modulo.  During optimization passes gcc
>>>>> keeps such information, to allow better optimization and error
>>>>> reporting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There were/are compilers that work by translating to C.  But this
>>>>> has limitations: generated code typically is worse because language
>>>>> specific information is lost in translation.  Error reporting is
>>>>> worse because translator is not doing as many analyzes as gcc do. 
>>>>> For those reasons compilers in gcc generate common representation
>>>>> which contains sum of features of all supported languages and not C.
>>>> 
>>>>   You give it a file in whatever lang, it produces a file in 'C' and
>>>>   compiles that.
>>>
>>> No, if you looked at what compilers in gcc are doing you will see that
>>> there are no intemediate C file.  There is intermediate assembler, but
>>> between source file and assembler each compiler work independently
>>
>>Still, Bjarne Stroustrup's first implementation of C++ was a program
>>called cfront, which translated C++ to C.
> 
> Rather ugly C, at that.   I had to fix a bug in PCC[*] caused by the
> excessive use of the comma operator in the cfront generated C code.

Speaking of ugly...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F2c

It does produce C code that does compile but 'human readable' isn't part 
of the deal.

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#80666 — Re: Naughty C♯

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-01-07 10:02 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jlaup$h5hi$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80634
On 06/01/2026 23:10, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> No, if you looked at what compilers in gcc are doing you
> will see that there are no intemediate C file.  There
> is intermediate assembler, but between source file and
> assembler each compiler work independently
> 
I assumed so, but its nice to have it confirmed...

> AFAIK you can remove C compiler binary and other compilers in
> gcc will still work.
> 
That is news to me, but it makes sense.

>> So, I'll basically
>>    stick with my 'translator' def. And if 'C' does not
>>    'natively support' something you can FAKE it with code,
>>    not really anything you CAN'T do with 'C'.
> A I wrote, you can use "via C" translators, but results are
> not so good as with dedicated compilers, that is why gcc
> contains separate compilers.
> 
>>    By 'compiler' I mean "source in -> (agitating sounds) ->
>>    binary executable out.
> By that definition gcc does_not_  contain a C compiler:
> gcc generates assembly and then assembler and linker produce
> final executable.  Things are more complicated when you use
> LTO, because "linker" in this case actially is doing large part
> of compiler work and optimized code before producing final
> executable.  But non-LTO compilation works via assembly.

And thank heavens it does. Sometimes examining the assembler is 
necessary, though thankfully fairly rarely these days.



-- 
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and 
higher education positively fortifies it."

    - Stephen Vizinczey

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#80668 — Re: Re: Naughty C♯

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-01-07 11:53 +0000
SubjectRe: Re: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jlhf3$dl2$2@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#80623
In article <ZN-dnY--SfIc4MD0nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>,
c186282  <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>On 1/6/26 07:16, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>> In alt.folklore.computers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>    Hmm ... look at all the GNU 'compilers' -
>>>    FORTRAN, COBOL, Ada, 'D', M2, Rust,C++,
>>>    G++, even Algol-68. None are 'compilers'
>>>    per-se, but to-'C' TRANSLATORS. So, 'C',
>>>    pretty much All Are One And One Is All.
>> 
>> No.  Compiler as first stage translate given language to a
>> common representation.  This representatiton is different
>> than C.  Ada and GNU Pascal have parametrized types, there
>> is nothing like that in C.  C++ (and some other languages)
>> have exceptions, C do not have them.  There are several
>> smaller things, for example Ada or Pascal modulo is different
>> that C/Fortran modulo.  During optimization passes gcc
>> keeps such information, to allow better optimization and
>> error reporting.
>> 
>> There were/are compilers that work by translating to C.  But
>> this has limitations: generated code typically is worse because
>> language specific information is lost in translation.  Error
>> reporting is worse because translator is not doing as many
>> analyzes as gcc do.  For those reasons compilers in gcc
>> generate common representation which contains sum of features
>> of all supported languages and not C.
>
>   You give it a file in whatever lang, it produces
>   a file in 'C' and compiles that.

No.  That's not how it works.  This is factually wrong.

	- Dan C.

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#80678 — Re: Naughty C♯

FromPeter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com>
Date2026-01-07 07:34 -0700
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jlqu8$mvh2$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80623
On 1/6/26 14:24, c186282 wrote:
> On 1/6/26 07:16, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>> In alt.folklore.computers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>    Hmm ... look at all the GNU 'compilers' -
>>>    FORTRAN, COBOL, Ada, 'D', M2, Rust,C++,
>>>    G++, even Algol-68. None are 'compilers'
>>>    per-se, but to-'C' TRANSLATORS. So, 'C',
>>>    pretty much All Are One And One Is All.
>>
>> No.  Compiler as first stage translate given language to a
>> common representation.  This representatiton is different
>> than C.  Ada and GNU Pascal have parametrized types, there
>> is nothing like that in C.  C++ (and some other languages)
>> have exceptions, C do not have them.  There are several
>> smaller things, for example Ada or Pascal modulo is different
>> that C/Fortran modulo.  During optimization passes gcc
>> keeps such information, to allow better optimization and
>> error reporting.
>>
>> There were/are compilers that work by translating to C.  But
>> this has limitations: generated code typically is worse because
>> language specific information is lost in translation.  Error
>> reporting is worse because translator is not doing as many
>> analyzes as gcc do.  For those reasons compilers in gcc
>> generate common representation which contains sum of features
>> of all supported languages and not C.
> 
>    You give it a file in whatever lang, it produces
>    a file in 'C' and compiles that. So, I'll basically
>    stick with my 'translator' def. And if 'C' does not
>    'natively support' something you can FAKE it with code,
>    not really anything you CAN'T do with 'C'.
> 
>    By 'compiler' I mean "source in -> (agitating sounds) ->
>    binary executable out.
> 
>    I think there are still a few FORTRAN compilers out
>    there for Linux, maybe COBOL too. There's at least
>    one forth IDE/compiler. Digital Mars makes 'C' and
>    'D' compilers. GCC is not the alpha and omega
>    of software development.
> 
>>>    But it CAN be much more friendly and/or
>>>    tuned to a particular area of interest
>>>    or preferred programming style.
> 

Iron Spring PL/I compiles directly to binary. It can produce assembler 
output, but only as a by-product of generating the object file. I have 
occasionally thought of trying to make it another front-end for GCC. As 
I understand it, GCC compiles to an intermediate language, not to C.

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#80681 — Re: Re: Naughty C♯

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-01-07 15:13 +0000
SubjectRe: Re: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jlt75$iih$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#80678
In article <10jlqu8$mvh2$3@dont-email.me>,
Peter Flass  <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote:
>On 1/6/26 14:24, c186282 wrote:
>> On 1/6/26 07:16, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>> In alt.folklore.computers c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>    Hmm ... look at all the GNU 'compilers' -
>>>>    FORTRAN, COBOL, Ada, 'D', M2, Rust,C++,
>>>>    G++, even Algol-68. None are 'compilers'
>>>>    per-se, but to-'C' TRANSLATORS. So, 'C',
>>>>    pretty much All Are One And One Is All.
>>>
>>> No.  Compiler as first stage translate given language to a
>>> common representation.  This representatiton is different
>>> than C.  Ada and GNU Pascal have parametrized types, there
>>> is nothing like that in C.  C++ (and some other languages)
>>> have exceptions, C do not have them.  There are several
>>> smaller things, for example Ada or Pascal modulo is different
>>> that C/Fortran modulo.  During optimization passes gcc
>>> keeps such information, to allow better optimization and
>>> error reporting.
>>>
>>> There were/are compilers that work by translating to C.  But
>>> this has limitations: generated code typically is worse because
>>> language specific information is lost in translation.  Error
>>> reporting is worse because translator is not doing as many
>>> analyzes as gcc do.  For those reasons compilers in gcc
>>> generate common representation which contains sum of features
>>> of all supported languages and not C.
>> 
>>    You give it a file in whatever lang, it produces
>>    a file in 'C' and compiles that. So, I'll basically
>>    stick with my 'translator' def. And if 'C' does not
>>    'natively support' something you can FAKE it with code,
>>    not really anything you CAN'T do with 'C'.
>> 
>>    By 'compiler' I mean "source in -> (agitating sounds) ->
>>    binary executable out.
>> 
>>    I think there are still a few FORTRAN compilers out
>>    there for Linux, maybe COBOL too. There's at least
>>    one forth IDE/compiler. Digital Mars makes 'C' and
>>    'D' compilers. GCC is not the alpha and omega
>>    of software development.
>> 
>>>>    But it CAN be much more friendly and/or
>>>>    tuned to a particular area of interest
>>>>    or preferred programming style.
>> 
>
>Iron Spring PL/I compiles directly to binary. It can produce assembler 
>output, but only as a by-product of generating the object file. I have 
>occasionally thought of trying to make it another front-end for GCC. As 
>I understand it, GCC compiles to an intermediate language, not to C.

GCC's frontends, like those of most modern compilers, generate
an intermediate representation (that is, indeed, not C).  That,
in turn, is optimized and presented to a backend, that uses the
IR to generate machine code for a target instruction set.  In
this way, any of the languages that the GCC front-end recognize
can be targetted to any of the architectures its backend
supports.

Whether that machine code is in binary object code or textual
assembly code hardly matters; the hard work of the compiler is
in the transation from source to machine code.

Separate assembly and link stages are hidden by the compiler
driver program (e.g., the `gcc` program itself), but don't
change the fact that, yes, Virginia, GCC is actually a compiler.

These bizarre definitional assertions about what makes something
a "compiler" or not seem to be mostly put forth by people who
have never heard of the concept of "separate compilation" or
"libraries", let alone touched the innards of a compiler.  In
particular, this idea that everything must be implemented in a
single program or it's not a "true" compiler is rooted firmly in
ignorance.

	- Dan C.

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#80693 — Re: Naughty C♯

FromPeter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com>
Date2026-01-07 12:20 -0700
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jmbmm$tsjo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80681
On 1/7/26 08:13, Dan Cross wrote:
> 
> These bizarre definitional assertions about what makes something
> a "compiler" or not seem to be mostly put forth by people who
> have never heard of the concept of "separate compilation" or
> "libraries", let alone touched the innards of a compiler.  In
> particular, this idea that everything must be implemented in a
> single program or it's not a "true" compiler is rooted firmly in
> ignorance.
> 

I think compilers have generated intermediate code since the first 
FORTRAN compiler. The only distinction is one vs. multiple programs. Wth 
a variety of both front- and back-ends GCC has good reason to separate 
them. On the other hand, a compiler that uses another compiled language 
as intermediate code is a strange beast, probably better called a 
translator.

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#80694 — Re: Naughty C♯

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2026-01-07 11:40 -0800
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<20260107114023.00007ffc@gmail.com>
In reply to#80693
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 12:20:54 -0700
Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> wrote:

> On the other hand, a compiler that uses another compiled language 
> as intermediate code is a strange beast, probably better called a 
> translator.

It's historically a pretty common thing to do when getting a new
language off the ground, whilst getting the kinks out and before one
has the time to write a dedicated compiler. In addition to C++, IIRC
Objective-C also started out with a translator-compiler.

It also allows the same language to be deployed in multiple different
environments with minimal effort - Nim, f'rexample, compiles to Java-
script as well as C-family and LLVM intermediate backends, so it can be
used for web development.

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#80700 — Re: Naughty C♯

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-01-07 20:20 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jmf60$v99t$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80693
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 12:20:54 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:

> On the other hand, a compiler that uses another compiled language as
> intermediate code is a strange beast, probably better called a
> translator.

There is a term for that: “transpiler”.

But really, the distinction is arbitrary.

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#80705 — Re: Naughty C♯

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-07 21:36 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<ms81v0Fb1hnU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80693
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 12:20:54 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:

> On 1/7/26 08:13, Dan Cross wrote:
>> 
>> These bizarre definitional assertions about what makes something a
>> "compiler" or not seem to be mostly put forth by people who have never
>> heard of the concept of "separate compilation" or "libraries", let
>> alone touched the innards of a compiler.  In particular, this idea that
>> everything must be implemented in a single program or it's not a "true"
>> compiler is rooted firmly in ignorance.
>> 
>> 
> I think compilers have generated intermediate code since the first
> FORTRAN compiler. The only distinction is one vs. multiple programs. Wth
> a variety of both front- and back-ends GCC has good reason to separate
> them. On the other hand, a compiler that uses another compiled language
> as intermediate code is a strange beast, probably better called a
> translator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F2c

It is a strange beast indeed. After an attempt to use it I manually 
translated the Fortran 77 to C to get something that could be maintained 
and extended. 

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#80696 — Re: Naughty C♯

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-01-07 20:09 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jmei9$uk4a$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80681
On 07/01/2026 15:13, Dan Cross wrote:
> These bizarre definitional assertions about what makes something
> a "compiler" or not seem to be mostly put forth by people who
> have never heard of the concept of "separate compilation" or
> "libraries", let alone touched the innards of a compiler.  In
> particular, this idea that everything must be implemented in a
> single program or it's not a "true" compiler is rooted firmly in
> ignorance.

<applause>

-- 
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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#80576 — Re: Naughty C♯

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-01-06 13:36 +0100
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<27cv2mx5fl.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#80521
On 2026-01-05 19:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/01/2026 17:48, rbowman wrote:
>> The C changes over the years like being able to declare variables where
>> they are first used and single line comments were something I greeted 
>> with
>> "Hell yeah!" rather than "What CS PhD dreamed this crap up?"
> 
> Spot on.
> 
> C is enough to do the job and simple to learn. Why complicate shit?
> 

My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose language, 
like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of many bugs that a 
proper language would catch.

That was around 1991.

He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian government 
to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what they wrote.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#80582 — Re: Naughty C♯

FromPeter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com>
Date2026-01-06 07:55 -0700
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jj7o7$3sddl$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80576
On 1/6/26 05:36, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-01-05 19:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/01/2026 17:48, rbowman wrote:
>>> The C changes over the years like being able to declare variables where
>>> they are first used and single line comments were something I greeted 
>>> with
>>> "Hell yeah!" rather than "What CS PhD dreamed this crap up?"
>>
>> Spot on.
>>
>> C is enough to do the job and simple to learn. Why complicate shit?
>>
> 
> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose language, 
> like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of many bugs that a 
> proper language would catch.
> 
> That was around 1991.
> 
> He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian government 
> to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what they wrote.
> 

This was always my feeling. C is great as a low-level language, but 
extending its use cases caused a lot of problems. Also, extensions has 
been added to K&R C (some necessary, but many not) that has complexified 
the syntax into unreadability. PL/I was designed with all the features 
that were later added to C, so the end result is cleaner.

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#80616 — Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: Naughty C♯)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-01-06 20:04 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty PL/I (was Re: Naughty C♯)
Message-ID<10jjpta$3iqe$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80582
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 07:55:03 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:

> PL/I was designed with all the features that were later added to C,
> so the end result is cleaner.

PL/I had its own surprises, possibly like C++, maybe even worse.
Like automatic type conversions that produce entirely unexpected
results.

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#80583 — What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2026-01-06 15:15 +0000
SubjectWhat is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<slrn10lq9p0.32pp5.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
In reply to#80576
[Note Followup-To]

On 2026-01-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose language, 
> like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of many bugs that a 
> proper language would catch.
>
> That was around 1991.
>
> He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian government 
> to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what they wrote.

I agree that C does the job reasonably well, and it is simple.
And so, like most other geeks my age, I write with the tools I
have used in forever, rather than spending my time learning new
tools. For me, those tools are:
 - C
 - vim
 - perl
 - HTML (1.0)
And yes, it is like using a vintage Jeep for a daily driver.

The most egregious problem with old C is string handling.
A useful "string" type would have
- a maximum length, using hardware (exception) bounds checking.
  to be useful, this would mean a length field in front of
  the char[]
- ideally, an option for the length to be dynamic, reallocating
  the memory as needed. Would require the base representation
  to be a pointer to the struct. Would be a lot of "under the
  hood" stuff, and probably inefficient.

** and now a digression **

The VAX architecture with its descriptors and universal calling
sequences was a great foundation, but K&R C did not fit, because
a byte-addressed memory was assumed, and you could not put the
descriptors in the middle of a struct and still have the code be
portable. So for anything with networking, which relied on being
able to import the Berkeley networking code, all the descriptor
stuff was of no use. For a lot of other code, it was amazingly
good. The unified calling structure and the way an exception
could be unwound up multiple levels of stack and simply be
converted to an error return code at the top level of a layered
library was pretty miraculous. And the instruction set was
very intuitive. I wrote a lot of kernel code in Macro-32,
and it was almost as fast as writing C.

The people in comp.arch look down of how inefficient the VAX
was, and how the microcode tricks used to make fast CPUs with
pipelining and out-of-order execution would not work for a VAX.
I think that is just an example of how the arch of history often
looks inevitable in hindsight.
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#80602 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<4Wc7R.1392895$ACS3.688415@fx17.iad>
In reply to#80583
On 2026-01-06, Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:

> On 2026-01-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose language, 
>> like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of many bugs that a 
>> proper language would catch.
>>
>> That was around 1991.
>>
>> He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian government 
>> to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what they wrote.

What language(s) did he suggest instead?

> I agree that C does the job reasonably well, and it is simple.
> And so, like most other geeks my age, I write with the tools I
> have used in forever, rather than spending my time learning new
> tools. For me, those tools are:
>  - C
>  - vim
>  - perl
>  - HTML (1.0)
> And yes, it is like using a vintage Jeep for a daily driver.

You mean pulling those fancy cars out of a ditch?  It's fun...

> The most egregious problem with old C is string handling.
> A useful "string" type would have
> - a maximum length, using hardware (exception) bounds checking.
>   to be useful, this would mean a length field in front of
>   the char[]
> - ideally, an option for the length to be dynamic, reallocating
>   the memory as needed. Would require the base representation
>   to be a pointer to the struct. Would be a lot of "under the
>   hood" stuff, and probably inefficient.

Inspired by readline(), I've written my own replacements for
strcpy() and strcat() that do much the same thing.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#80617 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-06 20:10 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<ms58ihFqgiaU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80602
On Tue, 06 Jan 2026 18:57:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Inspired by readline(), I've written my own replacements for strcpy()
> and strcat() that do much the same thing.

To quote from the strcat man page "Read about Shlemiel the painter.". 
stpcpy() was a late arrival and I never used it. I do use a similar 
construct

char buf[1024];
char* ptr = buf;

ptr += sprintf(ptr, "%s", "some stuff");
ptr += sprintf(ptr, "%s", " some more stuff");

Whether or not I do a test depends on the context. 

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