What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

From	Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
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Subject	What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
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Date	2026-01-06 15:15 +0000
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On 2026-01-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose language, 
> like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of many bugs that a 
> proper language would catch.
>
> That was around 1991.
>
> He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian government 
> to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what they wrote.

I agree that C does the job reasonably well, and it is simple.
And so, like most other geeks my age, I write with the tools I
have used in forever, rather than spending my time learning new
tools. For me, those tools are:
 - C
 - vim
 - perl
 - HTML (1.0)
And yes, it is like using a vintage Jeep for a daily driver.

The most egregious problem with old C is string handling.
A useful "string" type would have
- a maximum length, using hardware (exception) bounds checking.
  to be useful, this would mean a length field in front of
  the char[]
- ideally, an option for the length to be dynamic, reallocating
  the memory as needed. Would require the base representation
  to be a pointer to the struct. Would be a lot of "under the
  hood" stuff, and probably inefficient.

** and now a digression **

The VAX architecture with its descriptors and universal calling
sequences was a great foundation, but K&R C did not fit, because
a byte-addressed memory was assumed, and you could not put the
descriptors in the middle of a struct and still have the code be
portable. So for anything with networking, which relied on being
able to import the Berkeley networking code, all the descriptor
stuff was of no use. For a lot of other code, it was amazingly
good. The unified calling structure and the way an exception
could be unwound up multiple levels of stack and simply be
converted to an error return code at the top level of a layered
library was pretty miraculous. And the instruction set was
very intuitive. I wrote a lot of kernel code in Macro-32,
and it was almost as fast as writing C.

The people in comp.arch look down of how inefficient the VAX
was, and how the microcode tricks used to make fast CPUs with
pipelining and out-of-order execution would not work for a VAX.
I think that is just an example of how the arch of history often
looks inevitable in hindsight.
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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                Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 23:52 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:03 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:51 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:38 +0100
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:03 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 19:21 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 02:26 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 23:20 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:20 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:34 -0800
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:19 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:42 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:57 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 14:43 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:15 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:44 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:56 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 19:28 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:47 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:52 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:35 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:02 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:16 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:46 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:40 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:38 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 20:56 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:58 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-10 03:12 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
                Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:52 +0000
                Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 00:02 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:04 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:54 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:36 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:13 -0700
                Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:38 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:40 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:50 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:00 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
                Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:24 +0000
                Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:00 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:31 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:49 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:43 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:47 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 00:27 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 18:41 -0800
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:06 -0700
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:44 -0500
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:40 -0700
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 03:50 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-11 05:55 -0600
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-11 14:18 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-11 17:00 +0100
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:44 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:49 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:52 -0700
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 17:03 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:57 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 20:05 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 20:16 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:01 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 06:31 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:09 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 14:21 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 17:54 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:46 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:31 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:56 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:24 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:36 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 23:04 -0500
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:52 -0500
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 23:34 -0800
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:50 -0500
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:55 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-12 02:42 +0000
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:50 -0700
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 09:14 -0800
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:12 -0700
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-12 14:48 -0600
                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:48 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-11 01:32 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:21 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:22 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:41 +0100
                Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:42 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:33 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:58 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:27 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:54 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:40 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:09 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:10 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:46 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:19 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 12:39 -0700
                Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:56 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:44 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 19:57 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:53 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:17 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:06 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 23:44 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:57 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:56 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:08 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:21 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:41 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:26 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 21:00 -0500
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 20:09 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 02:02 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:05 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:02 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:48 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:27 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:15 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:31 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:39 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:25 -0800
                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 20:35 +0000
                Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:25 +0100
                Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:00 +0000
                Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 14:51 -0700
                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:00 +0000
                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 21:43 +0000
                Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 23:54 +0000
                Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 20:14 -0700
                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:03 +0000
                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:02 +0000
                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 05:59 +0000
                Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 06:01 +0000
                Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 06:58 +0000
                Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 17:14 +0000
                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:58 -0500
                Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 21:11 +0000
                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:37 -0500
                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:04 +0000
                Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:24 +0100
                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:51 -0500
                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:56 +0000
                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 10:59 +0000
                Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:27 +0100
                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:54 -0500
                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:57 +0000
                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 07:10 -0500
                Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:34 +0100
                Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:38 +0100
                Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 08:49 -0800
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:26 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:08 -0500
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:32 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:08 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-03 02:47 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:03 -0500
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:43 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:42 -0500
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:29 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:14 +0100
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 09:43 -0500
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:18 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 19:04 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:55 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:29 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:59 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:55 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:43 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:08 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 20:32 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:25 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:19 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 08:26 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:48 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:20 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:24 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:44 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:31 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 12:16 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 11:12 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 16:25 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 17:59 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:59 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:57 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 13:37 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:30 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:26 +0000
                Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:50 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:06 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:24 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 23:10 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 00:22 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 21:00 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:24 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-08 01:00 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:27 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:29 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 10:02 +0000
                Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:53 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:34 -0700
                Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 15:13 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 12:20 -0700
                Re: Naughty C♯ John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 11:40 -0800
                Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:20 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:36 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:09 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:36 +0100
                Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 -0700
                Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:04 +0000
                What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 15:15 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:10 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:59 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:54 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 01:40 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:30 +0100
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:49 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:47 -0500
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:23 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:34 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) sean@conman.org - 2026-01-09 00:23 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 04:54 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:08 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:18 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0100
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:57 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:59 +0000
                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 06:13 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:17 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 18:59 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:26 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:34 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 08:24 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:06 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:50 -0500
                Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:03 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:11 +0000
                Re: Naughty C♯ Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-01-07 12:01 +0000
                Re: Naughty Java (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:09 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:31 +0100
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:04 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:25 +0100
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 15:47 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 09:20 -0800
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:10 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 23:28 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:14 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:23 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:57 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:24 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:14 -0800
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 11:03 -0800
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 09:00 -0800
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-07 12:23 -0500
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:01 +0100
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 20:55 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:58 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:48 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 20:17 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:29 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:21 -0500
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 18:13 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 19:48 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:37 +0100
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:17 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:01 +0000
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 07:07 -0500
                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:05 -0800

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