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| First post | 2024-07-03 17:05 -0500 |
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NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> - 2024-07-03 17:05 -0500
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2024-07-03 19:58 -0400
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-04 12:06 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-04 11:15 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-04 10:41 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-04 12:01 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 02:10 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 09:54 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 12:29 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 12:08 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 19:15 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 18:40 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-06 03:19 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:42 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 00:55 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:19 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:12 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 21:32 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 11:52 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 12:51 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 12:33 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:23 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-06 17:57 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 00:48 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:11 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:10 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 10:15 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 12:26 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:31 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-05 20:28 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-06 11:00 +1000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:34 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-07-07 09:33 +1000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:18 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-07 17:23 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-07-07 18:13 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-07 20:04 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 11:50 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-07-08 18:04 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-08 22:17 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 09:34 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-09 12:21 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-08 08:43 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:11 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 09:38 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-07-09 20:47 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-09 20:31 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-06 11:29 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-06 17:57 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:33 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 13:03 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 15:05 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 19:19 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-06 03:15 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:39 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 00:57 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 12:53 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 12:49 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-05 14:59 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-06 05:30 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-06 11:32 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-04 23:29 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-05 02:15 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-05 12:26 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-06 03:42 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-06 12:50 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-07 09:28 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-07-07 11:33 +0100
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-07-07 17:23 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-07-07 17:38 +0000
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-07-07 21:19 +0200
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 10:11 -0400
Re: NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-04 09:12 -0700
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| From | SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> |
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| Date | 2024-07-03 17:05 -0500 |
| Subject | NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder |
| Message-ID | <v64hv6$2vkok$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, forces abdication of founder https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314 I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. -- www.sybershock.com | sci.crypt | alt.sources.crypto | alt.lite.bulb
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| From | RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> |
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| Date | 2024-07-03 19:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6BlhO.3136$vdRc.1100@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #56635 |
On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote: > NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, > forces abdication of founder > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314 > > I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded > tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc > > Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. Darn, I thought I was the first to post this. -- @RabidPedagog
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-04 12:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <40dc3717-9748-fb74-562d-96e7fb7071a2@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56637 |
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote: > On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote: >> NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, >> forces abdication of founder >> >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314 >> >> I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc >> >> Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. > > Darn, I thought I was the first to post this. Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and communists who contribute.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-04 11:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v65so7$2najh$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56643 |
On 04/07/2024 11:06, D wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>> On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote:
>>> NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors,
>>> forces abdication of founder
>>>
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314
>>>
>>> I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded
>>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc
>>>
>>> Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama.
>>
>> Darn, I thought I was the first to post this.
>
> Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free
> speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis
> and communists who contribute.
Oh its all fashion. All this in yer face LBGT trans crap has simply made
people dislike them, not for what they are, but for being boring,
obtrusive, attention seeking and
essentially using Marxist techniques to promote their pointless metaphysics.
Which by circular argument confirms their alleged feelings of 'being
oppressed'.
Its the same technique as Hamas, kill people and then scream 'victim'
when someone responds appropriately.
--
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and
higher education positively fortifies it."
- Stephen Vizinczey
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-04 10:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnv8cv2b.2m8.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #56643 |
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.] On 2024-07-04, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2024, RabidPedagog wrote: > >> On 2024-07-03 6:05 p.m., SugarBug wrote: >>> NixOS commits a "purge" of "Nazi" contributors, >>> forces abdication of founder >>> >>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40870314 >>> >>> I found a youtube version of this article being read by a gray-bearded >>> tech nerd with a Hawaiian shirt: https://youtu.be/KsDYul3J3Dc >>> >>> Maybe I should pop a pineapple pizza in the oven and watch the drama. >> >> Darn, I thought I was the first to post this. > > Are there any non-political distributions to switch to? Since I'm a free > speech extremist I'm against all projects that ban conservative, nazis and > communists who contribute. Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives. Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". What distribution are you using at the moment? I'm using Debian, and I haven't seen anything overtly political, but then, I haven't looked into it that deep.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-04 12:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v65vdd$2najh$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56645 |
On 04/07/2024 11:41, Borax Man wrote:
> Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives.
> Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and
> everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist".
The fact is that Marxism - and this is another example of it, even if
its protagonists dont realise it - is attractive to people who think
they are smarter than they actually are.
They are not super bright and cannot work things out for themselves from
first principles but they are absolutely capable of absorbing enormous
quantities of received wisdom, which they regurgitate using the
justification that Greater Minds have said it, therefore it must be
true. This is the "Argumentum Ad Auctoritatem" fallacy.
Because they have more 'facts' stuffed in their heads, they feel they
are actually better qualified to run things than plebs.
Unfortunately they are vulnerable to any kind of carefully crafted
bullshit that comes along, because having decreed that ordinary common
sense is what plebs have, and the Truth is what they have, they are
never minded to actually attempt to understand the reality of what they
believe in. And fearful of being the first to declare that the Emperor
has no clothes, they use their Bandar Logic (We all say it, so it must
be true) to follow the herd of the minor intelligentsia, and follow the
herd.
The problem with following the herd, is that all you see is arseholes.
Too much education for not very high quality brains leads to a belief in
all this woke shit.
--
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and
higher education positively fortifies it."
- Stephen Vizinczey
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-05 02:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnv8elfo.a1b.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #56646 |
On 2024-07-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 04/07/2024 11:41, Borax Man wrote: >> Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives. >> Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and >> everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". > > The fact is that Marxism - and this is another example of it, even if > its protagonists dont realise it - is attractive to people who think > they are smarter than they actually are. > They are not super bright and cannot work things out for themselves from > first principles but they are absolutely capable of absorbing enormous > quantities of received wisdom, which they regurgitate using the > justification that Greater Minds have said it, therefore it must be > true. This is the "Argumentum Ad Auctoritatem" fallacy. > > Because they have more 'facts' stuffed in their heads, they feel they > are actually better qualified to run things than plebs. > > Unfortunately they are vulnerable to any kind of carefully crafted > bullshit that comes along, because having decreed that ordinary common > sense is what plebs have, and the Truth is what they have, they are > never minded to actually attempt to understand the reality of what they > believe in. And fearful of being the first to declare that the Emperor > has no clothes, they use their Bandar Logic (We all say it, so it must > be true) to follow the herd of the minor intelligentsia, and follow the > herd. > > The problem with following the herd, is that all you see is arseholes. > > Too much education for not very high quality brains leads to a belief in > all this woke shit. > Marxism says that intellectuals should rule and make decisions, so it appeals to those who perceive themselves to be intellectuals, who know better than us. This seems to underlie the thinking, "we are the educated elite, and we know better". So naturally, an ideology which puts them in power, is appealing. We've run the experiment, put intellectuals in power, and it didn't work. I don't really have a problem with people being educated, after all, I am as well, but I do with the hubris that education makes one better placed to decide how society should work. Your degree in Software Engineering does NOT put you in a better position to comment on social issues and politics and what values are good for society. I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-05 09:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v68cbd$37h92$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56656 |
On 05/07/2024 03:10, Borax Man wrote: > On 2024-07-04, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 04/07/2024 11:41, Borax Man wrote: >>> Most people in "tech" seem to be insufferable progressives. >>> Unfortunately people now seem to think that everything they touch, and >>> everything they get involved in, needs to be "activist". >> >> The fact is that Marxism - and this is another example of it, even if >> its protagonists dont realise it - is attractive to people who think >> they are smarter than they actually are. >> They are not super bright and cannot work things out for themselves from >> first principles but they are absolutely capable of absorbing enormous >> quantities of received wisdom, which they regurgitate using the >> justification that Greater Minds have said it, therefore it must be >> true. This is the "Argumentum Ad Auctoritatem" fallacy. >> >> Because they have more 'facts' stuffed in their heads, they feel they >> are actually better qualified to run things than plebs. >> >> Unfortunately they are vulnerable to any kind of carefully crafted >> bullshit that comes along, because having decreed that ordinary common >> sense is what plebs have, and the Truth is what they have, they are >> never minded to actually attempt to understand the reality of what they >> believe in. And fearful of being the first to declare that the Emperor >> has no clothes, they use their Bandar Logic (We all say it, so it must >> be true) to follow the herd of the minor intelligentsia, and follow the >> herd. >> >> The problem with following the herd, is that all you see is arseholes. >> >> Too much education for not very high quality brains leads to a belief in >> all this woke shit. >> > > Marxism says that intellectuals should rule and make decisions, so it > appeals to those who perceive themselves to be intellectuals, who know > better than us. This seems to underlie the thinking, "we are the > educated elite, and we know better". So naturally, an ideology which > puts them in power, is appealing. We've run the experiment, put > intellectuals in power, and it didn't work. I don't really have a > problem with people being educated, after all, I am as well, but I do > with the hubris that education makes one better placed to decide how > society should work. Your degree in Software Engineering does NOT put > you in a better position to comment on social issues and politics and > what values are good for society. 1. My degree is not in software engineering 2. My contempt is not for true intellectuals, but for the vast majority of pseudo intellectuals who are as you describe above. 3. I have far more time for the ordinary bloke on the shop floor who has learnt by direct experience. > > I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards > the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of > ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and > coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social > good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head. The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues' -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-05 12:29 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0567e036-6ad8-92a2-d28c-1cbfe214d908@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56660 |
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of >> ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head. > > The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with their > Art degrees and their moral 'issues' This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge winners of the current system. However... and here is where it gets interesting! I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-05 12:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v68k7n$38pvc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56662 |
On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote: > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of >>> ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head. >> >> The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists >> with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues' > > This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, > have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do > have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. > > It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is > irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge > winners of the current system. > > However... and here is where it gets interesting! > > I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only > socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! > Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite > often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something. A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and said that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory squirearchy. And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in. I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him It was the thought, that counted. Virtue signalling, not practical politics. Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be implemented or won't work if they are. And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers. -- The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. – H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-05 19:15 +0200 |
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On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>>> I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of >>>> ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head. >>> >>> The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists with >>> their Art degrees and their moral 'issues' >> >> This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do >> have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. >> >> It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is >> irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge >> winners of the current system. >> >> However... and here is where it gets interesting! >> >> I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! >> Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite >> often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something. > > A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving > socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and said that > 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory squirearchy. > > And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in. > > I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that Labour > never has and never will solve a single social problem it identifies as > 'crucial' meant nothing to him > It was the thought, that counted. > > Virtue signalling, not practical politics. > > Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that cannot be > implemented or won't work if they are. > > And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they have been > given the finger. All mouth and no trousers. This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it has been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on believing it. The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that this time it will be different, which of course it never is. But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-05 18:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v69b6e$3chtf$4@dont-email.me> |
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On 05/07/2024 18:15, D wrote: > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>>> I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of >>>>> ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head. >>>> >>>> The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists >>>> with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues' >>> >>> This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >>> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do >>> have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. >>> >>> It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is >>> irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge >>> winners of the current system. >>> >>> However... and here is where it gets interesting! >>> >>> I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >>> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! >>> Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite >>> often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something. >> >> A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving >> socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and >> said that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory >> squirearchy. >> >> And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in. >> >> I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that >> Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it >> identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him >> It was the thought, that counted. >> >> Virtue signalling, not practical politics. >> >> Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that >> cannot be implemented or won't work if they are. >> >> And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they >> have been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers. > > This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never > worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it > has been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on > believing it. > > The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on > earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that > this time it will be different, which of course it never is. > > But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day? Socialism is essentially paternalistic slavery. Everyone works for the gummint, and the gummint tells them what to think do and say and 'sees them right'. Except somehow it never does... -- Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age. Richard Lindzen
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-06 03:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnv8hdt9.coo.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
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On 2024-07-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 05/07/2024 18:15, D wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of >>>>>> ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head. >>>>> >>>>> The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists >>>>> with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues' >>>> >>>> This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >>>> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do >>>> have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. >>>> >>>> It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is >>>> irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge >>>> winners of the current system. >>>> >>>> However... and here is where it gets interesting! >>>> >>>> I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >>>> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! >>>> Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite >>>> often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something. >>> >>> A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving >>> socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and >>> said that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory >>> squirearchy. >>> >>> And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in. >>> >>> I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that >>> Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it >>> identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him >>> It was the thought, that counted. >>> >>> Virtue signalling, not practical politics. >>> >>> Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that >>> cannot be implemented or won't work if they are. >>> >>> And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they >>> have been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers. >> >> This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never >> worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it >> has been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on >> believing it. >> >> The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on >> earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that >> this time it will be different, which of course it never is. >> >> But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day? > Socialism is essentially paternalistic slavery. Everyone works for the > gummint, and the gummint tells them what to think do and say and 'sees > them right'. > Except somehow it never does... > If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many people have little to no Capital... soo... I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own a house, never have any wealth, why should they care? By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing miserably too.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-06 12:42 +0200 |
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote: > On 2024-07-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 05/07/2024 18:15, D wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>>>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of >>>>>>> ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>>>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>>>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head. >>>>>> >>>>>> The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists >>>>>> with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues' >>>>> >>>>> This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >>>>> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do >>>>> have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. >>>>> >>>>> It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is >>>>> irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge >>>>> winners of the current system. >>>>> >>>>> However... and here is where it gets interesting! >>>>> >>>>> I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >>>>> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! >>>>> Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite >>>>> often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something. >>>> >>>> A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving >>>> socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and >>>> said that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory >>>> squirearchy. >>>> >>>> And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in. >>>> >>>> I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that >>>> Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it >>>> identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him >>>> It was the thought, that counted. >>>> >>>> Virtue signalling, not practical politics. >>>> >>>> Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that >>>> cannot be implemented or won't work if they are. >>>> >>>> And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they >>>> have been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers. >>> >>> This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never >>> worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it >>> has been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on >>> believing it. >>> >>> The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on >>> earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that >>> this time it will be different, which of course it never is. >>> >>> But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day? >> Socialism is essentially paternalistic slavery. Everyone works for the >> gummint, and the gummint tells them what to think do and say and 'sees >> them right'. >> Except somehow it never does... >> > > If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many > people have little to no Capital... soo... > > I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own > a house, never have any wealth, why should they care? > > By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing > miserably too. > The thing is... with capitalism and free markets, people will soon earn capital. Hong Kong used to be a backwards island, they started with sweat shops and unregulated capitalism, and finished by becoming the worlds financial center with the highest salaries in the world (before china took over). What made that possible was unregulated capitalism, since the backwards island could then bootstrap itself to wealth within a few generations. More about that in Johan Norbergs in defense of global capitalism, and the capitalist manifesto, if you are interested. As for the young, they are sold lies, and since they are young and lack life experience, it is of course a nicer lie that the government will give them everything, without having to work for it, than manning up and go to work.
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| From | Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 00:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnv8jpr5.4uu.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh> |
| In reply to | #56689 |
On 2024-07-06, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, > while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. > > --8323328-1362738420-1720262525=:17764 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > > > > On Sat, 6 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote: > >> On 2024-07-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 05/07/2024 18:15, D wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 05/07/2024 11:29, D wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see this quite often in my line of work, this condescension towards >>>>>>>> the uneducated, that people only vote a particular way because of >>>>>>>> ignorance of fear. Worse, is that this mentality is now promoted and >>>>>>>> coddled, workplaces now champion themselves as promoters of a "social >>>>>>>> good", which gives those who work there an even bigger head. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only people who vote for delusion are the champagne socialists >>>>>>> with their Art degrees and their moral 'issues' >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the truth! Most extreme tech-socialists I've met live in houses, >>>>>> have at least 2 cars, and are generally very well off. Often they do >>>>>> have big public sector customers who help them fund their life styles. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is also completely impossible to discuss why their politics is >>>>>> irrational and damaging to society at large, because they are such huge >>>>>> winners of the current system. >>>>>> >>>>>> However... and here is where it gets interesting! >>>>>> >>>>>> I know one socialist from a working class background, and he is the only >>>>>> socialist I know who it is actually possible to discuss politics with! >>>>>> Needless to say, we've ended up in the agree to disagree box quite >>>>>> often, but from time to time we actually do agree on something. >>>>> >>>>> A late friend was a rampant sort of lower middle class Scottish raving >>>>> socialist of the red union sort. He became a local councillor, and >>>>> said that 'the only people who ever got things done were the Tory >>>>> squirearchy. >>>>> >>>>> And yet he was overjoyed when Blair got in. >>>>> >>>>> I finally realised that what appealed was the ideology. The fact that >>>>> Labour never has and never will solve a single social problem it >>>>> identifies as 'crucial' meant nothing to him >>>>> It was the thought, that counted. >>>>> >>>>> Virtue signalling, not practical politics. >>>>> >>>>> Socialists are the ultimate cat-bellers. Full of solutions that >>>>> cannot be implemented or won't work if they are. >>>>> >>>>> And sadly that became the game of the Tories too, which is why they >>>>> have been given the finger. All mouth and no trousers. >>>> >>>> This is true. Socialism has been refuted historically (it has never >>>> worked), logically (it is self-contradictory) and scientifically (it >>>> has been proven by economists not to work). Yet, the masses insist on >>>> believing it. >>>> >>>> The reason is that it is a religion where the leaders promise heaven on >>>> earth, here and now, and workers who don't like their lives, hope that >>>> this time it will be different, which of course it never is. >>>> >>>> But who knows? Maybe humanity will learn one day? >>> Socialism is essentially paternalistic slavery. Everyone works for the >>> gummint, and the gummint tells them what to think do and say and 'sees >>> them right'. >>> Except somehow it never does... >>> >> >> If you want people to support Capitalism, they must have Capital. Many >> people have little to no Capital... soo... >> >> I can't blame young people for turning to Socialism. They'll never own >> a house, never have any wealth, why should they care? >> >> By the way, I struggle to see our system working, it is failing >> miserably too. >> > > The thing is... with capitalism and free markets, people will soon earn > capital. Hong Kong used to be a backwards island, they started with sweat > shops and unregulated capitalism, and finished by becoming the worlds > financial center with the highest salaries in the world (before china took > over). What made that possible was unregulated capitalism, since the > backwards island could then bootstrap itself to wealth within a few > generations. > > More about that in Johan Norbergs in defense of global capitalism, and the > capitalist manifesto, if you are interested. > > As for the young, they are sold lies, and since they are young and lack > life experience, it is of course a nicer lie that the government will give > them everything, without having to work for it, than manning up and go to > work. > --8323328-1362738420-1720262525=:17764-- Well, the thing is we HAVE Capitalism and Free Markets and Capital is being accumulated by the few. Now if you are going to use that "this is not true Free Markets", then sorry, then you sound like all the Communists who say that Russia and China and North Korea are "not true Communism". If your ideology can only ever work in an utterly pure form, its faulty, because that pure form will never be realised in practice. I've spend enough time believing in, buying, reading these arguments, they don't work, IN PRACTICE. There is something to be said by letting entrepreneurs be entrepreneurs, and there is something to be said by letting creative people be creative, yes, but the current system is based on Capital, not creativity and inventiveness. You earn more money monopolising houses than actually working. I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did everything right. Screw that.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 11:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v6dq3j$9l29$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #56707 |
On 07/07/2024 01:55, Borax Man wrote: > I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked > damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I > watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did > everything right. Screw that. I was like that till I ended up running my own businesses. There is only one person worth working hard for, and that is yourself -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 21:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <29f375c9-5cbc-ccec-936b-cace642f038b@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56736 |
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/07/2024 01:55, Borax Man wrote: >> I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked >> damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I >> watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did >> everything right. Screw that. > > I was like that till I ended up running my own businesses. > > There is only one person worth working hard for, and that is yourself This is the truth! I encourage everyone competent I know to at least try to start their own business. If you succeed, it is well worth the effort.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 21:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lf0fqlFsgocU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #56767 |
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 21:12:31 +0200, D wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 07/07/2024 01:55, Borax Man wrote: >>> I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked >>> damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I >>> watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did >>> everything right. Screw that. >> >> I was like that till I ended up running my own businesses. >> >> There is only one person worth working hard for, and that is yourself > > This is the truth! I encourage everyone competent I know to at least try > to start their own business. If you succeed, it is well worth the > effort. I did but I didn't have much interest in the 'business' part. Between the bookkeeping and having to go out and sell myself to find new contracts it got old. I did okay with several core clients but I decided to 'retire'. That was fun for a while.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-08 11:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <993bd7e9-7563-2492-2da8-1e08ee210bc8@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56773 |
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jul 2024 21:12:31 +0200, D wrote: > >> On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 07/07/2024 01:55, Borax Man wrote: >>>> I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked >>>> damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I >>>> watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did >>>> everything right. Screw that. >>> >>> I was like that till I ended up running my own businesses. >>> >>> There is only one person worth working hard for, and that is yourself >> >> This is the truth! I encourage everyone competent I know to at least try >> to start their own business. If you succeed, it is well worth the >> effort. > > I did but I didn't have much interest in the 'business' part. Between the > bookkeeping and having to go out and sell myself to find new contracts it > got old. I did okay with several core clients but I decided to 'retire'. > That was fun for a while. > Well, you tried, and for me, that's the important thing. I'm sure you also learned some valuable skills. =)
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-07-07 12:51 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1245d7da-51d1-cf8a-e0da-afe1cf7e6c25@example.net> |
| In reply to | #56707 |
On Sun, 7 Jul 2024, Borax Man wrote: >> The thing is... with capitalism and free markets, people will soon earn >> capital. Hong Kong used to be a backwards island, they started with sweat >> shops and unregulated capitalism, and finished by becoming the worlds >> financial center with the highest salaries in the world (before china took >> over). What made that possible was unregulated capitalism, since the >> backwards island could then bootstrap itself to wealth within a few >> generations. >> >> More about that in Johan Norbergs in defense of global capitalism, and the >> capitalist manifesto, if you are interested. >> >> As for the young, they are sold lies, and since they are young and lack >> life experience, it is of course a nicer lie that the government will give >> them everything, without having to work for it, than manning up and go to >> work. >> --8323328-1362738420-1720262525=:17764-- > > > Well, the thing is we HAVE Capitalism and Free Markets and Capital is > being accumulated by the few. Now if you are going to use that "this is > not true Free Markets", then sorry, then you sound like all the > Communists who say that Russia and China and North Korea are "not true > Communism". If your ideology can only ever work in an utterly pure > form, its faulty, because that pure form will never be realised in > practice. I will use the "this is not free markets". Just go to heritage foundation and sort countries based on size of governments. In the west, the governments are _huge_, the regulatory burden is _huge_, politicians decide which companies will be big or not since governments are enormous actors on the markets. Actually, what you are complaining about is socialism with some markets added on the side. That is why your children have the future ahead of them that you describe. Due to high taxes, they cannot save their way to becoming millionaires. Companies use the government (either with willing or unwilling politicians) to give themselves the ultimate edge. Politicians get rich by doing that and getting board seats in return. I'm sorry, but we have no free markets in the western world, and we are seeing the results. If you think I claim "not true communism" then I do not think it is profitable to continue this discussion, because your definition of free markets and my definition are not even remotely close, so we would just talk past each other. > I've spend enough time believing in, buying, reading these arguments, > they don't work, IN PRACTICE. There is something to be said by letting > entrepreneurs be entrepreneurs, and there is something to be said by > letting creative people be creative, yes, but the current system is > based on Capital, not creativity and inventiveness. You earn more money > monopolising houses than actually working. No, the current system is based on government, and government control of capital. When the government spending is 30% or 40% or 60% of the GDP, you don't have a free market, you have the government deciding who the millionaire will be, with some iron willed and smart entrepreneurs playing the game in the free small pockets that remain. > I'm not buying these lies anymore. I have a "good job", that I worked > damn hard to achieve, a managerial position, yet am worse off, while I > watch rent-seekers get everything. I never took benefits, I did > everything right. Screw that. The lie I do not buy is that the government will fix everything. I see politicians becoming richer and richer, I see regulations becoming more, I see more and more government contracts being awarded to corporates who are in bed with the government. As I said, this is not my definition of free markets, this is my definition of early stage socialism. And since this, as per your message, seems to be what you mean with free markets, we will just talk past each other. What I do find interesting though, is that we see a lot of the same problems, but we land in dramatically different solutions.
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