Re: Rewriting SSA. Is This A Chance For GNU/Linux?

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
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Subject	Re: Rewriting SSA. Is This A Chance For GNU/Linux?
Date	2025-04-06 02:07 +0100
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On 05/04/2025 23:27, c186282 wrote:
> On 4/5/25 3:40 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/04/2025 20:22, c186282 wrote:
>>> Analog ... it still may have certain uses, however for
>>>    chain operations the accumulated errors WILL getcha.
>>>    Might be a 'near' or 'finely-quantitized' sort of
>>>    analog - 100,000 distinct, non-drifting, states that
>>>    for some practical purposes LOOKS like traditional
>>>    analog. So long as you don't need TOO many decimal
>>>    points ......
>>   Analogue multiplication is the holy grail and can be dome using the 
>> exponential characteristics of bipolar transistors
>>
>> https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ADL5391.pdf
>>
>>>    Finally ... non-binary computing, eight or ten states
>>>    per "bit". Fewer operations, fewer gates twiddling,
>>>    better efficiency anyhow, potentially better speed. But
>>>    doing it with anything like traditional semiconductors,
>>>    cannot see how.
> 
>> Non binary computing is essentially analogue computing
> 
>    Ummmm ... not if you can enforce clear 'guard bands' around
>    each of the, say eight, distinct voltage levels. Alas, as
>    stated, those 'different voltage levels' mean transistors
>    aren't cleanly on or off and will burn power kind of like
>    little resistors. Some all new material and approach would
>    be needed. Meta-material science MIGHT someday be able to
>    produce something like that.
> 
>> It is already done in Flash RAM where more than two states of the 
>> memory capacitors are possible
>>
>> Massive arrays of non linear analogue circuits for modelling things 
>> like the Navier Stokes equations would be possible: Probably make a 
>> better stab at climate modelling then the existing shit.
> 
>    Again with analog, it's the sensitivity to especially
>    temperature conditions that add errors in.

Not really, That was mostly sorted years ago.

>    Keep
>    carrying those errors through several stages and soon
>    all you have is error, pretending to be The Solution.

So no different from floating point based current climate models, then...

>    Again, perhaps some meta-material that's NOT sensitive
>    to what typically throws-off analog electronics MIGHT
>    be made.
> 
>    I'm trying to visualize what it would take to make
>    an all-analog version of, say, a payroll spreadsheet :-)
> 
An awful lot of op-amps.
The thing is that analogue computers were useful for system analysis 
years before digital stuff came along. You could examine a dynamic 
system and see if it was stable or not.

If not you did it another way. People who dribble on about 'climate 
tipping points'have no clue really as to how real life complex analogue 
systems work.


>    Now discrete use of analog as, as you suggested, doing
>    multiplication/division/logs initiated and read by
>    digital ... ?
> 
Its being thought about.


>    Oh well, we're out in sci-fi land with most of this ...
>    may as well talk about using giant evil brains in
>    jars as computers  :-)
> 
Well no, we are not.
Digital traded speed for precision.

>    As some here have mentioned, we may be closer to the
>    limits of computer power that we'd like to think.
>    Today's big trick is parallelization, but only some
>    kinds of problems can be modeled that way.
> 
>    Saw an article the other day about using some kind
>    of disulfide for de-facto transistors, but did not
>    get the impression that they'd be fast. I think
>    temperature resistance was the main thrust - industrial
>    apps, Venus landers and such.
> 
I think I saw that too..

Massive parallelisation will definitely do *some* things faster.

Think 4096 core GPU processors...I think that's the way it will happen, 
decline of the general purpose CPU and emergence of specific chips 
tailored to specific tasks. Its already happening to an extend with on 
chip everything....


-- 
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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