Re: Redundancy/Survival

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Redundancy/Survival
Date	2026-05-26 08:46 +0200
Organization	Tebibyte_Retro_Gaming
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On 2026-05-26 08:21, c186282 wrote:
> Last year, one of my old ISPs, who I still get
> SOME services thru, sent a message saying they
> would no longer support DIAL-UP ... ie hardline
> modem access.
> 
> Admittedly phone companies have been dumping
> hard-lines as fast as they can of late ...
> require actual HUMAN intervention, twisting
> of physical wires and such.
> 
> DO still have a hardline phone, they keep raising
> the price, trying to get me to quit. It works even
> IF all the cell towers and such go down hard. Still
> worth the money IMHO. And yea, HAVE had the experience
> of all the towers going down. It's called HURRICANE.
> The towers, IF still standing, have about three days
> of generator power. Then ........

You simply do not have a choice, copper pair land lines are being phased 
out. In some countries by laws. Here they did not raise the prices, they 
simply disconnected them one day. Like that. With warnings to migrate 
for months, of course, till one day, paff, disconnected. A few thousand 
people were just disconnected.

No arguing.

So, it is fibre now. If fibre is not feasible to your location (like 
isolated places), they they put you on some radio for the same price.

You may be on another provider who for years installed fibre to the 
curb, then coax to the home. It is copper, but not copper pairs. And 
goes down with power failures.

...

> Just sayin'
> 
> When I was a kiddie, one of my teachers thought
> it'd be interesting to do a tour of the local
> Bell/ATT dialing center as a 'field trip'. It
> was a pretty big, very plain, building. Aside
> from a front office with human 'Operators', it
> was entirely PACKED with mechanical dialing
> machines. Big plexiglass tubes with long shafts
> inside. When somebody picked up the phone there
> was a mechanical device that'd move to a group
> of physical circuit disks in the tube. This was
> rotary-dial days. Then with each number dialed
> some disks would rotate, relay-driven, to very
> physically connect one phone to another. It was
> Very Cool to watch :-)

I saw them in a museum in Britain back in 1976, during a visit when I 
was a kid. Birmingham Science Museum. At some point we were using large 
relays linear arrays of some sort. Pentaconta? I have never seen them 
close. Some of those were decommissioned recently.

<https://blogs.upm.es/museotelecomunicaciones/multiselector-pentaconta/>

There is a video of the system at work.

> 
> What a wiring nightmare - but it WORKED and
> no cyberwar could disrupt it. This was Cold
> War era ... 'redundancy'/survivability WAS
> a very practical, admitted, concern.
> 
> STILL have a 300/1200/2400 stand alone modem
> in The Heap somewhere. Haven't used it since
> the Compuserve Forum days when I plugged it
> into a dumb terminal for fun - "ATTD...".
> 
> They don't ADMIT vulnerabilities anymore.
> Why not ???
> 
> Again, just sayin'
> 
> Oh well, have gone on too long. But THINK
> about this shit. Modern comms - FRAGILE
> to the extreme.
> 

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400
  Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:46 +0200
    Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:49 +0200
      Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:47 -0400
      Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:25 +0200
      Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 09:53 +0000
    Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:38 -0400
      Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:35 +0200
      Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0000
        Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 16:17 -0700
          Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 00:02 +0000
            Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 00:11 -0400
              Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-28 10:32 +0200
            Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:41 +0100
              Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:04 +0200
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:31 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:18 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:42 +0200
                Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 15:01 +0100
              Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 20:51 +0000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:02 -0700
                Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 08:54 +1000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 05:04 +0000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:54 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-28 09:15 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:45 +0200
          Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 23:41 -0400
            Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:09 +0100
              Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:51 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 17:08 +0000
        Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 22:39 -0400
          Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:10 +0100
            Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 09:05 +1000
              Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 08:19 +0100
            Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:52 -0400
              Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:20 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 20:34 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival InterLinked <usenet@phreaknet.org> - 2026-05-28 21:07 -0400
  Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:44 +0200
    Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:45 -0400
    Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:38 +0200
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