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Re: Floppies - Actual Question

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Floppies - Actual Question
Date 2025-09-30 09:32 +0200
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On 2025-09-30 05:03, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/29/25 08:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-09-27 09:11, c186282 wrote:
>>>    We need some 'impractical' media for long long
>>>    term preservation, something we can copy the
>>>    current stuff into, something not dependent
>>>    on common hardware or 'cloud' replication.
>>>    Laser-etched holograms in sapphire maybe ?
>>>    That'd last 100,000 years easy.
>>
>> I glanced yesterday at a news of a glass that claimed something like 
>> that.
> 
>    "Glasses" are not as stable as they seem - extreme
>    long term anyhow. They're really just very thick
>    fluids.

Hum. I can't say if they said glass or crystal. I am unable to 
differentiate.

Ah, I located the entry. In Spanish:

<https://computerhoy.20minutos.es/dispositivos/adios-usb-tarjetas-memoria-discos-duros-llega-cristal-indestructible-puede-guardar-archivos-forma-ilimitada-1485101>

*Goodbye to USB sticks, memory cards and hard drives: introducing 
indestructible glass that can store unlimited files*

Microsoft's Project Silica uses special glass and femtosecond lasers to 
store data in such a way that it can remain intact for centuries without 
deteriorating.

→ <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/project-silica/>

Now I can search for other entries, ¡from 2024! So maybe summer serpent.


> 
>    Aluminum oxide ... that'll last pretty good.
>    Diamond is better but way too expensive.
> 
>    There's short, medium, long and VERY VERY
>    long-term storage.
> 
>    Given the value of Sumerian clay tablets, I think
>    we need to aim at at least 10,000 years for some
>    of our stuff. A total civ rebuild - maybe 100,000
>    years would be necessary. Of course your convenience
>    store receipts probably wouldn't be included ...
>    OK maybe one or two for common-guy "context".
> 
>    Anyway, think about near-indestructible storage media.
>    'Replication'/cloud ... that's only good as long as
>    the cloud still lives. A good solar flare or two and ...
> 

Yes.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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