Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks
Date	2022-12-02 09:12 +0000
Organization	A little, after lunch
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On 01/12/2022 21:45, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 01/12/2022 07:42, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> 
>>>>
>>> The only cost effective solution we have currently that actually works
>>> without adding so much extra kit that all the carbon and cost benefits
>>> of 'free fuel' are entirely negated, is nuclear power.
> 
> Actually, that's not as simple as you make it out to be.
> 
> The current worldwide electrical consumption (2020) is 23 trillion watts.
> The average nuclear power plant is 1 billion watts.  Note that
> consumption increases by approximately 2.3% annually, so you need to plan
> the fleet buildout such that you have what you need when you need it
> (i.e. demand grows by over 500Gw annually).
> 
> So we need to build something like 30,000 nuclear power plants to replace the
> current fossil (and renewable) energy sources.   Which costs
> a whole shitload of money, uses a whole bunch of specialized
> and rare materials and takes a long time, even if permitting
> processes were streamlined.
> 
> And while I've always been a supporter of nuclear energy, the current
> reactor designs are less than optimal and 30,000 times the current
> nuclear high- and low-level waste stream (yes, I favor reprocessing)
> will have to be dealt with as well; more cost and more energy.
> 
> Not to mention producing the fuel pellets; whether based on U235
> or Pu.  Note that U235 is 0.7% of natural uranium, so mining
> must produce 100x the amount of natural uranium by refining
> 1000x the amount of pitchblend (or far more if extracted from
> e.g. seawater).
> 
> Now thorium-cycle reactors are interesting, and thorium is more
> abundant and requires less processing to produce fuel and the
> fuel cycle produces a more tractable waste stream; however
> there are no current operational thorium-based commercial power
> plants, so the entire infrastructure from mining, refining into
> fuel, and post-usage processing and disposal will need to be developed from
> scratch.
> 
> All of this takes enormous amounts of energy (from renewable
> or fossil sources), which either requires new fossil
> resources, or limits the energy available for all other
> usage (with corresponding supply-side scarcity driving
> consumption cost increases).

The material and fuel costs of a reactor are extremely low. That tells 
you it neither uses a lot of materials nor fossil fuel in its 
construction, compared with say wind.

The US has spent IIRC $7tn on  renewable energy with no  significatnt 
reduction in fossil fuel usage.

The point is, we have two alternatives - unsustainable renewables. 
because renewable energy cannot build windmills, or sustainable nuclear 
power. Oh and by the way of the 0.7% U235 worries you, run U238 through 
a breeder reactor and get yourself a load of plutonium, You can do 
similar with thorium We dont bother right now, because uranium is dirt 
cheap.

Nuclear power may not be ideal, but it remains the only solution to 
maintaining technological civilisation. Once to realise that the EROEI 
of windmills makes then unsustainable without fossil fuel.


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  Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-28 11:26 +0100
    Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-28 22:17 +0000
    Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-10-29 19:09 +0000
      Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-29 15:43 -0700
        Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 15:55 +0000
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-10-30 21:07 +0000
      Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 15:53 +0000
        Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-30 10:24 -0700
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-10-30 19:15 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-10-31 18:41 -0400
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-31 23:56 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-01 07:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-01 13:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-01 10:00 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-01 14:50 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> - 2022-11-02 18:02 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-01 19:36 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-02 15:02 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:32 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-01 21:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-01 22:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:40 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:28 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 09:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: genders, self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-11-02 17:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 18:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-04 08:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-05 09:01 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 15:50 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-05 11:28 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-05 15:41 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:52 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 17:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 11:05 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 17:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 13:02 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 19:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-08 09:57 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-08 22:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-11-09 00:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 08:32 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-09 13:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 12:01 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-09 18:07 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 13:04 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-09 19:26 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-10 10:53 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-10 19:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-11-11 19:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:24 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-10 10:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-11 17:05 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-12 11:12 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-12 09:30 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-12 22:34 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-13 17:09 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:34 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 12:32 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 03:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-17 02:53 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-17 18:37 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-13 23:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:44 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 14:37 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 15:33 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 16:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 16:41 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 17:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 18:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 22:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-11-14 16:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 17:29 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:58 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 20:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:50 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-30 09:00 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-01 10:59 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:47 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-12-05 11:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-12-05 11:58 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 12:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-05 07:32 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 15:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-05 19:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-12-05 10:46 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-05 09:19 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-05 16:40 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-05 13:48 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-05 19:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-12-05 10:55 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 17:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:49 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 16:49 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-03 12:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:26 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-03 09:55 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-04 04:18 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 13:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-03 08:03 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 13:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-12-03 08:56 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-03 14:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 16:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-04 04:18 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-03 12:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-03 20:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-03 23:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 05:49 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:41 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 16:40 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-03 12:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-12-03 20:20 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 06:01 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-05 05:27 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-05 06:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 09:24 +0000
                Nukes or Renewables? (nothing to do with COBOL) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-12-02 10:07 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-02 14:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 09:03 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 10:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 14:33 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 16:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-04 21:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 09:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-02 13:51 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 09:12 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-02 14:28 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-02 20:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 16:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-12-03 16:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 17:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-03 18:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:27 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-01 15:24 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-12-02 08:01 +1000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-01 23:41 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 10:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 10:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 19:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-11-14 19:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 20:29 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-15 04:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 21:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-15 10:33 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 18:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-17 02:50 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:12 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-12 15:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-05 23:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-06 10:13 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-11-06 19:43 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 06:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:50 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2022-11-07 21:45 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 16:07 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2022-11-07 22:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-08 15:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-08 16:18 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-08 18:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-08 12:24 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2022-11-08 17:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 12:03 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 00:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 14:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 15:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 12:01 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-06 12:33 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-06 14:18 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-06 11:44 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-07 10:37 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-08 09:21 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 08:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-09 18:36 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-10 06:40 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-10 19:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:45 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-11 11:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-11 09:26 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-06 10:14 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:29 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-07 10:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-07 11:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-07 11:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-07 15:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 16:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-07 16:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 15:56 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:58 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 17:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 13:03 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 19:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 14:01 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 20:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 16:00 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-08 10:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-08 08:55 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 00:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-08 06:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-08 08:56 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:56 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 15:47 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 10:55 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:16 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-05 12:27 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-05 12:33 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-06 23:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-06 18:11 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2022-11-07 20:28 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 20:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 09:05 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-11-07 12:53 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-11-07 14:15 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 19:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-11-07 15:23 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 20:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-07 16:02 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 00:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-08 08:57 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-08 10:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-08 08:59 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-08 09:46 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-08 19:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-09 12:06 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-08 09:43 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-08 16:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-08 12:24 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2022-11-08 01:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 19:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 09:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-03 07:34 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-03 16:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-03 10:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-04 09:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-05 15:52 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-04 08:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-11-01 16:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-11-01 19:26 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 09:56 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-11-02 17:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-04 14:15 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 20:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-03 09:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-04 14:28 -0500
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-01 07:55 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-01 09:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-02 11:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 09:56 -0700
      Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-02 16:17 +0000
        Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-02 17:21 +0000
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-02 17:43 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 18:09 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-03 04:39 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-11-03 10:01 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-03 11:24 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 13:54 -0700
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-11-02 21:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 15:59 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-11-02 22:03 -0400
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-02 15:33 -0300
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-02 20:19 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-02 13:54 -0700
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-03 04:39 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-11-03 06:43 +0000
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-11-03 06:34 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-03 17:59 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-04 14:52 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-04 20:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-05 20:13 -0500
    Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-10-29 19:23 +0000

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