Re: Two kinds of Lutherans (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE)

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
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Subject	Re: Two kinds of Lutherans (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE)
Date	2025-09-01 01:36 +0000
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:26:04 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:

> Ah, yes. I was always confused as to who was who between the LCA and the
> ELCA, but the division is familiar to me as a Dane. The Danish Lutheran
> state church has a fundamentalist wing ("The society for the Inner
> Mission") and a liberal wing (The Grundtvig church). When Danes
> immigrated to America, this brought both wings with them. The two kinds
> can be seen in Bergman's "Fanny and ALexander". It begins in the
> Grundtvig style sect, "the happy church". And in the second half, the
> children are adopted into the family of the fundamentalist relatives.

The history is complicated. It took a while in the US to get the German, 
Danish, Norwegian, Swedish and so forth Lutherans singing from the same 
hymnal. 

> Here in the US, I have heard the two referred to as "the Happy
> Lutherans" and "the Gloomy Lutherans".

The other flavor I was exposed to as a kid was Dutch Reformed, talk about 
gloomy. My mother didn't take it seriously at least. In her later years 
she said she'd never voiced her views in case she got religion as she got 
older but figured at that point in her life it wasn't going to happen. 

There were moments. My father and uncle would get together every Saturday 
and lay in a 12 quart case of beer. Both the heavy case and the bottles 
themselves required a deposit but they didn't always get returned 
promptly. On one of her clean up campaigns she loaded several cases on my 
red Radio Flyer wagon and we headed down the street to a beverage store 
where they redeemed them. When we got there her pastor pulled in, 
presumably to lay in a stock of ginger ale. What wagon full of beer 
bottles? I don't see any beer bottles. He was young and had a pretty good 
idea not all of his flock were on the straight and narrow. 

The downside was his church raised money with bake sales. The Catholic 
church raised money with Las Vegas Nights, bingo, and an annual horse 
show. 

Like the ELCA, There is a Reformed Church in America but the Dutch 
Reformed broke away the Canons of Dort. When my mother died the minister 
had been imported from the Netherlands since the seminaries weren't 
turning out ministers with the right degree of purity.

Ob Linux: Protestants are sort of like Linux with multiple flavors that 
are hard to tell apart. Catholics are like Windows. Despite changes over 
the years a Windows computer is a Windows computer.

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