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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE
Date 2025-08-31 19:51 +0000
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 21:48:51 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

> On 31/08/2025 6:41 am, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 00:12:10 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 16/08/2025 7:21 pm, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:54:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:24:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Germans like Following Rules very much. It makes them feel secure.
>>>>>> The problem comes when they start making them
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn’t they pretty much invent Protestantism? (Martin Luther etc).
>>>>
>>>> Sort of. The Lutherans are one step removed from Catholicism. A few
>>>> years back when ecumenism was popular the Catholics asked the
>>>> Lutherans what the doctrinal sticking points were, figuring that was
>>>> a good place to start. The Lutherans said "we'll have to get back to
>>>> you on that."
>>>
>>> I think one of my Uncles said back in the 80/90's "They (the
>>> Lutherans)
>>> were the first out. They'll be the first back in."
>>>
>>> Waiting!! Waiting!!
>> 
>> At least in the US the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
>> (screaming liberals) is too busy fighting with the Lutheran Church --
>> Missouri Synod (traditional) to present a common front to the
>> Catholics. The Catholics have their own little civil war going on too.
>> 
> Oh!! What about??

The Lutherans or the Catholics? There is some similarity. For the 
Lutherans the doctrinal disagreement starts with the 'Book of Concord'. 
For the Missouri Synod it's the word of god and a complete statement of 
the doctrine. For the ELCA, there is wiggle room leading to:

The ECLA has LGBQ++ clergy, with the L implying they have female clergy of 
any orientation. In the Missouri Synod women may serve in administrative 
functions created by Man; they don't get to do those things created by 
God. Homosexuality is inherently sinful, abnormal, and an abomination. 
Pray for the critters if you must but don't get too close. You probably 
can fill in the blanks on abortion, euthanasia, DEI, same sex marriage, 
inclusive language in the liturgy,  etc. The ECLA tends to collect flaming 
liberals. There's another synod that I think is to the right of the 
Missouri Synod but I forget its name.

The Catholics are similar. There are no female priests -- yet.  There are 
a few married clergy, mainly Anglicans priests that converted. Homosexuals 
and same sex marriage? Francis muddied that pond pretty well and then 
there's the very high profile James Martin SJ. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Martin_(priest)

He's either seen as the wave of the future or someone who should be 
defrocked, excommunicated, and nailed to a cross upside down.

Then there is the Mass. I was indoctrinated pre-Vatican II. The Mass was 
said in Latin, the priest faced the altar (preferably East), the altar 
servers were male, there was a rail separating the sacred space from the 
mundane and you kneeled at that rail for the priest personally to put the 
consecrated Host on your tongue. You did not chew it like a biscuit.


A local church live streams the Mass. I hardly recognized it. It's in 
English, the priest faces the people, there was a sing-along like the 
Protestants do, there is no rail, there was a small herd of people 
including women handing out the Host, and I mean literally handing it to 
the people milling around. 

The local bishop has outlawed the Latin Mass, following Francis' 
directives. Needless to say a segment of Catholics are very unhappy.

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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 00:12 +1000
  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-30 20:41 +0000
    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-31 21:48 +1000
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                Re: Worship ... Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-09-02 22:24 +1000
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                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-01 21:12 +0000
                Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-01 23:31 -0400
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