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Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE)

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE)
Date 2025-08-17 04:07 +0000
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 10:54:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Problem with AM is that as originally designed, it is low audio
> bandwidth on low frequency RF. So its intrinsically crap for music. It's
> better in the USA on wider channel spacing, but in Europe its unusable,
> especially since the ADSL carriers are all over the LW and MW bands.
> 
> Its main virtue is that it was back in the day a lot cheaper to build
> receivers for, and the transmitters could be miles away and the signal
> would get through. Sort of

Propagation is a problem with the US 530-1610 kHz broadcast band. During 
the day atmospheric ionization kills the sky wave and the ground wave 
propagation distance is short enough that stations can be assigned 
frequencies that don't conflict. 

At night all bets are off when the sky wave kicks in. There are assigned 
clear channel frequencies that can run 50 kW, but may need to use 
directional antennas. Local stations on those frequencies either reduce 
power or go off the air at sunset.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear-channel_station

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPTfIPHLUcw

The Mexican stations have X series call signs and some of them were 
running 250 kW, and not very fussy. Get down near the border and you might 
'hear it on the X' when it overloaded your Walkman headphones.  When I was 
in southern AZ 20 miles from the border I built a highly directional AM 
antenna so I could listen to the Phoenix AM stations and null out the X.

I was envious of one of the X DJs. He could roll the 'r' in 'radio' for 
seconds. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrradio.  I never could roll the r's in German too 
well.



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Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-14 03:14 +0000
  Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-14 11:16 +0200
  Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 11:27 +0200
    Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 11:59 +0100
      Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 14:08 +0200
        Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 13:54 +0100
          Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 15:21 +0200
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                Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-15 23:00 +0200
                Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-16 04:53 +0000
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                Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 10:00 +0100
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                Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-17 21:21 +0000
                Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 10:39 +0100
                Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-18 00:34 +0000
                Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-18 00:37 -0400
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