Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Date: 5 Jul 2025 19:09:13 GMT Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <102ecnj$2l3qp$3@dont-email.me> <20250612083705.000061fc@gmail.com> <102fi1k$2u1dt$4@dont-email.me> <20250612161731.00003f61@gmail.com> <102funf$3149j$4@dont-email.me> <20250620103703.00004ee7@gmail.com> <1035m0l$u0ib$5@dont-email.me> <20250623142902.00001ef8@gmail.com> <103cqjq$1ip4g$7@dont-email.me> <20250701141023.00003c97@gmail.com> <1041t1s$349i3$3@dont-email.me> <10421sd$35564$4@dont-email.me> <1042qem$3dil1$1@dont-email.me> <1044f8n$3p5ha$4@dont-email.me> <104arf4$1d2v4$2@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net d7zWrAu3xS2LsvpH0I72vgzptRCbDpdUFAcHyq5Z2z08WW/XcX Cancel-Lock: sha1:RIWQUIvjlpYxc7efrTIC0xOp10I= sha256:h5u7HhkINNLD5tK27FFkDk+YsVlwmSkug7burAhXJYU= User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:69376 On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 10:32:20 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2025-07-03, rbowman wrote: >> >> Raymond and Parens were both involved in the founding of OSI. There are >> similarities to the FSF, without Stallman's limitations on free. > > Look, wording matters, and "limitations" is really subjective here and > the key part of the debate, what you describe as "limitations" are, to > others "protections". > > And IIRC wasn't there also some red scare involved, in which some saw > "open source" as needed because companies might be scared by something > that for some reason "looks [or sounds] communist"? > > (Then there's the Microsoft level of describing these protections as > "cancer", when what they're criticizing is actually *Copyright*, not the > GPL.) Yes, the GPL offered protections against the use in any commercial products. As an example years ago I found a bug in the handling of sigsetjmp in the Expect library. I fixed it and submitted the patch to Don Libes where it was incorporated in the next release. I could do that because Expect was in the public domain. If it was GPL I wouldn't have been using it in the first place. Would professional programmers submit patches to GPLd software if they were using it? I don't know. However the trend today is toward permissive licenses, MIT, Apache, No-clause BSD, and so forth. https://angular.dev/license "Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:" Compare that to Stallman's legalistic bullshit. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html