Re: Redundancy/Survival

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Redundancy/Survival
Date	2026-05-29 12:55 +0200
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On 2026-05-29 03:34, c186282 wrote:
> On 5/28/26 07:42, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-05-28 09:31, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 5/27/26 05:04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-05-27 09:41, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-05-27, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2026-05-26, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 May 2026 22:09:35 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the US, the ulterior motive actually appears to be the fact that
>>>>>>>> POTS service is regulated (price regulated and availability
>>>>>>>> requirements regulated) whereas the "new fangled" fiber services 
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> free of those pesky requirements for requesting price increases or
>>>>>>>> being required to provide a particular availably (uptime) level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well *that* explains a lot :/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup.  Our telco (Telus) had a really big push to convert everyone
>>>>>> to fiber.  Now we too can enjoy loss of dial tone when the power
>>>>>> goes out.
>>>>>
>>>>> POTS has in a way always seemed a sensible option to still have
>>>>> everywhere for certain emergencies, in fact perhaps households should
>>>>> always have access to such a line even without contracting any 
>>>>> service,
>>>>> for stuff like 112.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that also requires that the handset is fully capable of operating
>>>>> only with the line power.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will not happen. Live on...
>>>
>>>
>>>    Um ... works NOW - why not always ?
>>>
>>>    Kind of agree with the sentiment that copper should
>>>    always be at hand for 'emergency' communications at
>>>    a minimum. Towers die, cell contracts expire, copper
>>>    keeps on going.
>>>
>>
>> The exchanges need maintenance. Would you have those monsters active 
>> all the time just to give signal to a few customers? That's too 
>> expensive. Exchanges will eventually all get garbaged, and perhaps a 
>> converter will be connected to the few that refused to migrate to 
>> fibre, so they are fooled into thinking they still have copper.
> 
>    The service - albeit a  bit speed limited - should
>    be available to ALL, all of the time. Some emergency
>    devices at minimum, but you may as well enable voice
>    at the same time.
> 
>    In short, never throw away a good hardwire network.
> 
>    Some assert that fiber will (barely) need maint ...
>    don't think that's entirely true. All sorts of odd
>    things can happen to physical media. And yes if
>    you're branching fiber to everyone there WILL need
>    to be a lot of splitters, boosters/repeaters. The
>    latter require electricity. No copper, no electric.
>    A 50w PV+Batt thingie every few blocks with
>    industrial ratings - MORE expensive than a few
>    existing copper wires.
> 
>    Fiber is better for SPEED ... but I don't think it
>    is nearly as ROBUST or SIMPLE as some here are
>    selling it.
> 
>    For comm corps ... they HATE employing humans. They
>    imagine they can get rid of 99.9% of the physical
>    service people by going to fiber or (crappier) 5G.
>    No more lift vans ! No more labor unions ! Yay !!!
> 
>    In short their motives are selfishness, cheapness,
>    not "better customer experience". Just don't think
>    they're gonna get what they imagine. Leave the fiber &
>    support equip out in the elements for a decade+ and
>    see what happens.
> 
>    Maybe a year ago, AT&T showed up, opened a manhole
>    near my place, and proceeded to pull out a gigantic
>    copper cable. The guy said 4000 pairs ... about six
>    inches around heavily clad. Apparently it used to
>    service the entire south end of the county. They
>    were cutting and pulling - about half a mile's worth
>    at a time. Trucks with HUGE spools attached.
> 
>    Thing is, it was perfectly good cable, not bothering
>    anybody. At best they can sell the copper, make a
>    quick little buck. But now all that cable COULD have
>    done is GONE. I just see it as 4000 lost options.
> 


Keeping that cable working is expensive.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 02:21 -0400
  Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 08:46 +0200
    Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-26 09:49 +0200
      Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:47 -0400
      Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:25 +0200
      Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 09:53 +0000
    Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 04:38 -0400
      Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-26 11:35 +0200
      Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-26 22:09 +0000
        Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 16:17 -0700
          Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 00:02 +0000
            Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-27 00:11 -0400
              Re: Redundancy/Survival Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-05-28 10:32 +0200
            Re: Redundancy/Survival Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 08:41 +0100
              Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-27 11:04 +0200
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:31 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 09:18 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:42 +0200
                Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 15:01 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 21:34 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 11:07 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:55 +0200
                Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 12:14 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:36 +0200
                Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 13:26 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0200
                Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 17:24 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:37 +0200
                Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 19:36 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-29 22:34 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-29 04:30 +0000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:34 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:36 +0000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 02:17 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-30 09:09 +1000
              Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-27 20:51 +0000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 14:02 -0700
                Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 08:54 +1000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-28 05:04 +0000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:54 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-28 09:15 +0100
                Re: Redundancy/Survival "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-28 13:45 +0200
                Re: Redundancy/Survival Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-05-29 02:50 +0000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:17 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:48 +0000
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            Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:09 +0100
              Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:51 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-28 17:08 +0000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 22:14 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 04:41 +0000
                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-29 01:53 -0400
                Re: Redundancy/Survival rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-29 06:32 +0000
        Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-26 22:39 -0400
          Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-27 14:10 +0100
            Re: Redundancy/Survival not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-28 09:05 +1000
              Re: Redundancy/Survival The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-28 08:19 +0100
            Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 03:52 -0400
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                Re: Redundancy/Survival c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-28 20:34 -0400
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