Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets

Subject	Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets
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From	"WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net>
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Date	2025-01-27 18:24 -0500
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On 1/27/25 4:23 PM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cjr85l2e4l4t
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14329549/ai-software-tech-google-openai-deepseek-china-startup.html 
>>
>>
>> Chinese start-up DeepSeek sent big tech companies into a
>> spiral with the release of its Artificial Intelligence chatbot.
>>
>> DeepSeek's AI Assistant is said to perform on-par with
>> ChatGPT at a fraction of the price.
>>
>> After its release in January 2025, it quickly became the
>> most-downloaded free app on the Apple Store.
>>
>> The US stock market lost $1 trillion overnight as investors
>> lost confidence in Western dominance in the AI sector.
>>
>> . . .
>>
>>  Chinese developers are very CLEVER, no more
>>  dismissing them. Apparently this system/interface
>>  was built WAY cheaper than possible in the West.
>>
>>  That our Big AI interests could be so easily
>>  undercut has punished the stock markets -
>>  especially NASDAQ - today.
>>
>>  It remains to be seen if DeepSeek as "as good" as
>>  Chat and friends - but even if it's just "good
>>  enough" it represents a PROBLEM.
>>
>>  Somebody DID try feeding it some questions about
>>  China politics ... and it hedged its answers  :-)
> 
> Is it open source? Has anyone compared it fairly? Did china steal the 
> teach and this got a cost advantage? Is it even true?

   It is, allegedly, open source.

> So many questions!

   Seems they made it work with a lot fewer good chips
   than western developers imagined possible - which
   means some Different Thinking, different ways to
   leverage the hardware. This different thinking was
   why Japan shot to the top of the tech pyramid in
   the 80s ... brought 'perfection thru simplicity'
   to the clunky US/UK designs.

> Regardless, readers of this newsgroup will not surprised when the AI 
> bubble bursts.

   "AI" investment/expectations are decidedly a "bubble"
   at this point. It's gonna go bang. Trump wants to throw
   a lot more money at it, but it may just be throwing
   it into the incinerator. The right time for big govt
   investment would be AFTER the incipent crash, AI 2.0
   so to speak.

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"DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-27 11:46 -0500
  Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-27 20:53 +0000
  Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 22:23 +0100
    Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-27 18:24 -0500
      Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-28 10:24 +0100
        Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-28 08:16 -0800
          Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-28 21:40 +0100
            Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-28 13:03 -0800
              Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2025-01-29 01:15 +0000
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-28 22:10 -0500
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-29 06:11 +0000
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-29 02:44 -0500
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-29 10:19 +0000
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-29 15:22 +0100
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-29 08:13 -0800
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 09:23 +0000
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                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-31 13:08 +0000
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                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-31 10:14 +0000
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