Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets
Date	2025-01-28 21:40 +0100
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2025, John Ames wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 10:24:51 +0100
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> I guess they benefited by being late to the game, and could discard
>> ways and methods that were choosen in the US?
>
> More like a bunch of sleazoid grifters playing fake-it-'til-you-make-it
> with complex problems in an *extraordinarily* complex field of study
> 'cause the Ponzi scheme that was their last big hype bubble has started
> to dry up are, um, maybe not very good at software engineering.
>
> ...Nah. Couldn't be.
>
>> Interesting! Then we will have the answers to a lot of questions in
>> time. Note also how china is trying to stunt the growth of US AI
>> companies to stop them from becoming too powerful.
>
> Hardly "powerful" when the core product is still a glorified party
> trick, Dissociated Press on steroids, which was *never* going to do the
> kind of things OpenAI has been desperately trying to convince everyone
> it will Real Soon Now; even Winnie-the-Pooh's version is not going to
> magically overcome the fundamental limitations of LLMs.
>
> The explanation is laughably simple: they saw a way to burn a couple
> months' blood, sweat & tears and a few million bucks and, in exchange,
> they got to humiliate the US tech sector and the political faction that
> crowd has been sucking up to & absolutely *dynamite* a major investment
> bubble that was getting ready to pop of natural causes months or years
> ahead of schedule. Pooh is probably knocking back honeypots in Beijing
> and giggling to himself like that Muppet gremlin in "Return of the
> Jedi" right now; God knows I'd be.

I like the humiliation thesis. But I also think it is a little but more 
refined than that. Causing US companies financial damage is very 
attractive to them, and if they can hasten the crash of the AI bubble 
along, they would be happy too.

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  Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-27 20:53 +0000
  Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-27 22:23 +0100
    Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-27 18:24 -0500
      Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-28 10:24 +0100
        Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-28 08:16 -0800
          Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-28 21:40 +0100
            Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-28 13:03 -0800
              Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2025-01-29 01:15 +0000
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-28 22:10 -0500
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-29 06:11 +0000
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-29 02:44 -0500
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-29 10:19 +0000
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-29 15:22 +0100
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-01-29 08:13 -0800
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 09:23 +0000
                Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 10:48 +0100
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