Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: "DeepSeek" - China AI App Shakes Up Tech Markets Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2025 21:40:42 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <20250128081639.00004242@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1602824"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: <20250128081639.00004242@gmail.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:64936 On Tue, 28 Jan 2025, John Ames wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 10:24:51 +0100 > D wrote: > >> I guess they benefited by being late to the game, and could discard >> ways and methods that were choosen in the US? > > More like a bunch of sleazoid grifters playing fake-it-'til-you-make-it > with complex problems in an *extraordinarily* complex field of study > 'cause the Ponzi scheme that was their last big hype bubble has started > to dry up are, um, maybe not very good at software engineering. > > ...Nah. Couldn't be. > >> Interesting! Then we will have the answers to a lot of questions in >> time. Note also how china is trying to stunt the growth of US AI >> companies to stop them from becoming too powerful. > > Hardly "powerful" when the core product is still a glorified party > trick, Dissociated Press on steroids, which was *never* going to do the > kind of things OpenAI has been desperately trying to convince everyone > it will Real Soon Now; even Winnie-the-Pooh's version is not going to > magically overcome the fundamental limitations of LLMs. > > The explanation is laughably simple: they saw a way to burn a couple > months' blood, sweat & tears and a few million bucks and, in exchange, > they got to humiliate the US tech sector and the political faction that > crowd has been sucking up to & absolutely *dynamite* a major investment > bubble that was getting ready to pop of natural causes months or years > ahead of schedule. Pooh is probably knocking back honeypots in Beijing > and giggling to himself like that Muppet gremlin in "Return of the > Jedi" right now; God knows I'd be. I like the humiliation thesis. But I also think it is a little but more refined than that. Causing US companies financial damage is very attractive to them, and if they can hasten the crash of the AI bubble along, they would be happy too.