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| Subject | Re: The joy of FORTRAN |
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| From | "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> |
| Organization | wokiesux |
| Date | 2024-10-20 00:13 -0400 |
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On 10/6/24 11:02 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 16:06:14 -0600, Louis Krupp wrote: > >> GNU Forth... I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. > > https://gforth.org/manual/Forth-is-written-in-Forth.html > > Forth is an odd beast. There is a very small engine that has to be built > for the processor in question to handle words. > > https://github.com/forthy42/gforth/tree/master/engine > > gcc can handle that since it is C code. The original Chuck Moore FORTH slightly pre-dates the i4004 chip. As a half-a-step above ASM the syntax is (sort of) more readable. The 'stack' approach to dealing with both commands and data could be implemented very simply (but you HAD to be fully aware of what was on the stack exactly where). FORTH also supports subroutines and you can make a lib of those. The interpreter can be VERY small - fit into a little old ROM chip. I think one company made CPUs with an inbuilt FORTH kernel. It is reported that the first language ported to the new 8088/8086 processors way back was FORTH. It was especially popular in the 70s/80s for minimal systems - especially for academia/space. If you had a telescope on a mountaintop in Chile and a 110 baud connection then you could still easily edit/test the control program from sunny Cal. I know an old astronomer - he is still fluent in FORTH. Modern chips/systems and 4/5-G or sat connections have kinda made FORTH redundant - but it may still have a place for some 'industrial' and remote-sense apps using power around that of an Arduino or less. Interpreters can be handy sometimes. Somewhere I've got a 'CPL' interpreter. CPL became BCPL which became 'B' which became 'C'. gFORTH is kind of a 'cheat' - just a translator into 'C'. What you want is a native interpreter. https://www.forth.org/compilers.html SOMEWHERE I came across a whole FORTH dev environment for Linux but accidentally deleted it.
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Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-05 23:20 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:29 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-06 16:06 -0600
Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-07 03:02 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-20 00:13 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTH p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 06:22 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 07:03 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 07:31 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 19:00 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:37 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:33 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 03:30 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 06:51 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 08:41 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 07:55 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 20:53 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 15:16 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 23:12 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 00:29 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 01:11 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 04:43 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 04:46 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 09:59 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:52 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 14:48 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 22:23 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 15:36 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:33 +0300
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:00 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 06:45 +0300
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:54 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:03 -0400
Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 06:36 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 03:11 -0400
Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:50 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:23 -0400
Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 19:46 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:41 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:58 -0400
Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 02:40 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:02 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:35 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:52 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:53 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 07:18 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:07 +0100
Re: The joy of SQL Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-26 16:44 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 18:48 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:52 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-10-27 13:00 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:40 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-27 18:38 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 02:42 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:32 +0000
Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:35 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 05:39 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:08 +0100
Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:26 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:46 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 18:40 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:30 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:40 -0400
Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:27 +0000
Re: The joy of strong typing magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 10:56 +0300
Re: The joy of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:55 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 03:24 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-10-23 14:41 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 16:07 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:37 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 08:04 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 20:57 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:36 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 23:02 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 01:32 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 01:50 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-25 17:16 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:39 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-25 22:59 -1000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 09:10 -1000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 12:35 -1000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-26 02:18 +0000
Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 02:12 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:11 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:05 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-25 11:01 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 00:10 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:44 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 00:55 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:53 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 04:50 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 22:50 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-23 22:25 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:46 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 22:13 -0400
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:55 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 05:07 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 08:03 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-21 03:59 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-24 21:46 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:29 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:30 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 00:00 +0000
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:41 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:40 +0100
Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 08:03 -0700
Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-07 10:00 +0100
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