Re: The joy of FORTH (not)

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
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Subject	Re: The joy of FORTH (not)
Date	2024-10-24 05:07 +0000
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On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 03:55:30 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 22:13:49 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> ... everybody has become spoiled by fast CPUs with lots of memory.
> 
> Do you drive an automatic? Everybody does on the US, don’t they?

Not everybody. My pickup is manual. My first Yaris was manual and I 
preferred it. Circumstances intervened. It was totaled by a snowplow in 
the same month Japan was facing a meltdown. I took what I could get, which 
was an automatic. I traded it for a 2018 in 2020. I got a good deal on the 
leftover and Toyota doesn't make the Yaris anymore. Even that year the 
sedan was really a Mazda 2, with a different engine than the hatchback.

Oh, and all three bikes are manual. About 20 years ago I was selling a 
Yamaha Seca and my boss expressed interest until he found out it wasn't an 
automatic. I was relieved. He was an excellent manager but I didn't think 
he'd be very good on a bike.

> Talk about “spoiled”. I can claim moral superiority over you because I
> drive a manual. By choice!

What level of superiority do I get for putting a few hundred thousand 
mines on a Kenworth 13 speed and Volvo White 9 speed?" I'll be honest and 
admit with the VW you rarely used the stump puller gear so it was 
effectively an 8 speed. 

After my father died my mother wanted to buy a new car. She was 70 at the 
time and I had to convince her she could drive an automatic. She'd been 
driving since 1921 and never had driven one. Even in the '60s manual were 
hard to find but my father didn't like automatics.

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Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-20 00:13 -0400
  Re: The joy of FORTH p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 06:22 +0000
    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 07:03 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 07:31 +0000
    Re: The joy of FORTH Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 19:00 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:37 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:33 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 03:30 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 06:51 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 08:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 07:55 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 20:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 15:16 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 23:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 00:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 01:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 04:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 04:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 09:59 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 14:48 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 22:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 15:36 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:33 +0300
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 06:45 +0300
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:03 -0400
                Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 06:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 03:11 -0400
                Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:23 -0400
                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 19:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:58 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 02:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 07:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 08:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 11:33 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-28 17:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:07 +0100
                Re: The joy of SQL Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-26 16:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 18:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-10-27 13:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-27 18:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 02:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 05:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:08 +0100
                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 18:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-27 21:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-28 00:58 -0400
                Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 05:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 05:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 04:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of Linux Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 00:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 01:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 02:00 -0400
                Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of Linux Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-11-03 19:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of Linux "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 01:40 -0400
                Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 01:55 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-31 01:35 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 06:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-31 23:57 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 04:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-01 02:45 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 20:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 01:19 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 06:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 03:21 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 21:51 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:49 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-02 21:48 -0400
                Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-30 01:52 -0400
                Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:40 -0400
                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of strong typing magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 10:56 +0300
                Re: The joy of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 03:24 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-10-23 14:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 16:07 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 08:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 20:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:36 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 23:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 01:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 01:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-25 17:16 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-25 22:59 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 09:10 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 12:35 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-26 02:18 +0000
                Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 02:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:05 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-25 11:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 00:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 00:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 04:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 22:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-23 22:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 22:13 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 05:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 08:03 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-21 03:59 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-24 21:46 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:29 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:30 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 00:00 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:41 +0100
            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:40 +0100
  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 08:03 -0700

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