Re: All the problems of French Philosophy...

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: All the problems of French Philosophy...
Date	2026-05-17 13:56 +0200
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On 2026-05-17 05:35, c186282 wrote:
> On 5/16/26 03:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-05-16 09:12, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 5/16/26 02:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-05-16 06:30, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>    Used SUSE - now OpenSUSE - for a very long time, home,
>>>>>    office, office servers, because it was smarter. The ONE
>>>>>    annoyance was that it'll hang if fstab can't find a
>>>>>    declared drive whilst Deb derivs soon say "fuck it !"
>>>>>    and move on. Apparently this is STILL true for Fedora
>>>>>    even now, had that experience with F46 just a month ago,
>>>>>    USB drives were involved.
>>>>
>>>> How do they handle that?
>>>
>>>    That's the prob, they DON'T handle it. You have to
>>>    go into emergency terminal and edit fstab. Ugly !!!
>>
>> No, I mean how Debs do it. What trick do they use to get that result.
> 
> 
>    Not entirely sure ... but it's been the default
>    for decades. Nothing special IN fstab.
> 
> 
>>>> I know that if you add "nofail" to an fstab entry the boot system 
>>>> will try to mount it but not halt the booting if it fails. On the 
>>>> other hand, if it fails it will not tell you.
>>>
>>>    Hmm, not SURE if 'nofail' works in RHEL/Centos/Fedora.
>>
>> nofail is standard.
> 
> 
>    Well, I got fails just a couple of weeks ago ...

I did not say that nofail is the default. I said that it is standard, ie, it works the same in all distros, it is a standard option.


> 
> 
>>>    Might be worth a try ... but frankly I'm not going back
>>>    to that shit anytime soon.
>>>
>>>    USB drives - now WIDELY used - are indeed a problem.
>>>    Sometimes they attach quick and easy, sometimes not.
>>>    I expect the boot-up code to DEAL with iffy drives,
>>>    but in the RPM universe that's not a given. Maybe
>>>    they think they're "saving" us from something ? This
>>>    has been a LONG-standing issue.
>>>
>>>    Wrote/modified a "usb bus reset" app ... it kinda
>>>    emulates re-plugging all USB devices. Run it in
>>>    root crontab after maybe a 30 second delay.
>>
>> I don't have problems with USB drives.
> 
>    Try putting them in fstab, then trying to boot
>    with the USB drives unplugged. A practical
>    experiment.
> 

I have done that.

/etc/crypttab:
cr_my_book     /dev/disk/by-partlabel/My_Book             /home/cer/Keys/the_hoard_keyfile  auto,nofail


/etc/fstab:
/dev/mapper/cr_my_book                 /data/My_Book           xfs     user,lazytime,exec,nofail       1  2




/etc/crypttab:

cr_raid_xfs     /dev/md/raid6ArrayXFSRaw                        /home/cer/Keys/the_hoard_keyfile        auto,nofail


/etc/fstab:
/dev/mapper/cr_raid_xfs                 /data/xfsRaid/          xfs     lazytime,nofail,exec            1 3


And it is a big raid setup, encrypted.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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          Re: All the problems of French Philosophy... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-16 00:30 -0400
            Re: All the problems of French Philosophy... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-16 08:56 +0200
              Re: All the problems of French Philosophy... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-16 03:12 -0400
                Re: All the problems of French Philosophy... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-16 09:32 +0200
                Re: All the problems of French Philosophy... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-16 23:35 -0400
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